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On March 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 04:08 Jayjay54 wrote:man BH you are really reacting hard to a couple of questions. stop being so agressive. No one even called you scum. We just want to understand your actions I don' agree with this here: It's typically a bad idea to post at night. Town's ability to pressure Mafia is diminished, and except for stuff that really needs to be posted before people determine night actions and specific Q+A, it's better to put things off until just before the dawn. we need discussions so THAT vigs can be directed. If you don't like an aggressive playstyle I got real bad news for you dude Also it's obvious who the vigis should be shooting into: sinani, nisani, cwave, sbrubbles kita, or foolishness.
I don't mind an aggressive playstyle, it's just a little early for that. It's better for town, if you explain your actions calmly. When someone calls you scum, you may get aggressive, as long no OMGUS is involved (and you're not an OMGUS guy from what I can see.
Add C_C to that list (see filter from L) and I agree.
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On March 20 2012 04:24 RayzorFlash wrote:
Grrr, I post analysis and while I'm writing it up theres 3 pages of pointless arguing instead of actual scumhunting...
I am disappoint
it's not as easy to make a case on mav. It's his second overall game afaik. His first "real" one. Normal standards may not be applied as easily...
But it's noted and you may be right and some points...
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On March 20 2012 06:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Threads about to close. In case I die
I think JJ/Wiggles/Velinath/Gonzaw are all probably town.
I Would be surprised if 2/3 of JJ-Wiggles-Foolishness aren't hit.
thanks for suggesting good mafia hits. that'll help.
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On March 20 2012 08:06 blubbdavid wrote:
What's that? And it looks like Gonzaw is the LORD OF THE DIMENSIONAL RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFT.
you misunderstood. he was killed by him.
I also shot Sinani who is still alive. so he's either bulletproof (third party with item or whatever) or he was protected or he is a vet.
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On March 20 2012 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:09 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 20 2012 08:06 blubbdavid wrote:
What's that? And it looks like Gonzaw is the LORD OF THE DIMENSIONAL RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFT. you misunderstood. he was killed by him. I also shot Sinani who is still alive. so he's either bulletproof (third party with item or whatever) or he was protected or he is a vet. I don't really see a reason for him to have been protected. Let's see what he claims.
he might not be protected by town, but maybe scum has a prot ability. Let's see what he says.
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yo, I got a PM from host. There was an unclear part in my role PM. Basically it involved timing stuff. That makes me look bad. But it's not entirely my fault, the PM could be read in two different ways.
All I can say is that Sinani is a dead man walking. He will be killed by "blast from the past". DO NOT LYNCH HIM.
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what I find interesting is how confident gonzaw was. I was so sure he was invincible / BP or at least VET, because he drew the attention to him.
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On March 20 2012 09:14 Hassybaby wrote:
Sooooo, are we gonna get role descriptions?
Jayjay, will we know when the death will happen? Or can you not reveal that?
I could, but I'd rather not. It's somewhere within the next two days.
The good part is that the kill is completely independent on my role. I can be lynched, stabbed or squirreled, the kill will still occor.
So, I'd say, we just treat Sinani as dead man walking and other than that, continue to play as we would have done otherwise.
on a different note: Wheatley wants to kill Glados? Yea, that feels comforting. I say we leave Glados alive, so Wheatley doesn't get superpowers / mad.
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On March 18 2012 03:23 Velinath wrote:
@gonzaw I have a non town read on Kenpachi because he's been pushing this "vote GLaDOS" agenda so hard without giving any real justification other than "it gives me a superpower". He's even trying to manipulate Drazerk into going along with it - he even says he isn't necessarily going to get a majority day 1, which I think really shows the lack of faith that the town has in him in addition to his dedication to posting a personal agenda even against the general sentiment (so far) of the thread.
On March 18 2012 07:41 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: GLaDOS
Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea.
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On March 20 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote:
GLaDOS seems pretty sadistic from what I've seen so far in the day/nightposts. I don't see a way, even if Ken is third party, that killing her off would be bad for town.
##Vote: GLaDOS
seems legit and has nothing to do with new information you got concerning your rule, right?
@david: you're welcome bro <3
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On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote:In regards to the Black Market, I'd suggest reading through the relevant posts from Insane 2. Each faction had to acquire a certain amount of currency to purchase a game breaking ability. Be careful when giving a certain amount of money to a certain faction. Additionally, does the black market use a quicktopic? As the mafia and sleeper cell leader probably have access, there is no reason for the town to not be able to read what is going on periodically as well. Being able to identify certain posting habits may lead us to their identities. Blazinghand getting shot over Velinath somewhat confuses me. Why is the runner up getting shot, rather than the player who has access to distributing pro-town powers among the members of town? The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player. MidnightGladius, why are you claiming vanilla town day one? Was it simply an attempt to be elected? I'll mention my annoyance at the no flip again because I like to complain. Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 22:30 Sbrubbles wrote:On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. @Veli, can you tell us what items are for sale? There's reason to suspect there are 5 (well, now 4) portal guns around, which (if we believe Drazerk) show what items a person has. If someone is found to have one item from this list, it would be a good lead for town. Could you explain what you mean here Sbrubbles? Also, who are you suspicious of right now, besides kenpachi? A lot of your focus this game is on mechanics, rather than scum hunting. I'm considering the following people for lynch today: Mr. WigglesShow nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:
3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument Draz flat out claims that Wiggles has a different alignment as him and Wiggles completely ignores this. I know from my perspective, that if someone tells the thread that I'm scum or third party that I'm going to be refuting the claim 100% and going hard after him. When posting his reasoning for voting, he hardly even references draz's bizzare claim. In fact, at one point, he even starts to back off the lynch: Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Are you really willing to give a pass to a player who essentially claims they used an item to prove that you are scum? You argue that a kp might be better, but that is one less kp the mafia have to worry about and if no one shoots him or draz survives the hit, then we get to waste another day dealing with him. You buy his rage core claim after he claims to use an investigative item on you making you look bad? In addition, you never suggest an alternative for the lynch. When sharing his few reads that he does provide, he always gives reasons that make a player look good and bad, rather than committing strongly one way or another. The strongest read he does provide is a null read. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
gonzaw, so far I think that you're asking a lot of questions and posting actively, which is good. However, you're somewhat inundating the thread with them, and that means that a lot of them end up unanswered or forgotten. Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 06:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On Zephird:
I don't like his early posting, as it mostly consists of spam and commentary. After that, though, it actually picks up a fair bit. Rather than openly share his opinion, he has to be questioned. Today he hasn't provided any suggestions for the day two lynch. BluelightzThe cases Bluelightz have provided us are essentially summaries, rather than analysis. He mentions that sinani is lurking, and quotes all three of cwave's posts, but doesn't explain why these things make them scum. In the town games I've read through, he is just as spammy, but at least he is willing to openly share his opinion. Today he wants to lynch sinani who is apparently already marked for death and kenpachi for not explaining his role (which he states is not allowed). How can kenpachi be his number one lynch candidate if he hasn't even read through his filter? As far as his opinions, they completely lack resolve. He likes wiggles for mayor, but switches off as soon draz paints him in bad light. He argues that draz is a threat to the town, but doesn't even vote for him in the end. blubbdavidI would be less willing to lynch him than the above two, but I thought he was worth mentioning anyway. Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote:
Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town Why are you trying to use anti-town behavior to enforce the idea that you are town? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't done anything but spam the thread? I know you are somewhat competent based on your play in Newbie V, so why have all your posts been a bunch of one liners without sharing your opinions?
hey kita! how are things? and a huge post too. lovely.
I agree on bluelightz. He is clearly not reading the thread. As he is no (and I emphasize this, because he looks like one) new player. Pushing for K who has already claimed third and for sinani who is dead. That's utter bullshit.
I think david's posting differs from what I've seen in kaller and pointed that out earlier. On the other hand, I read a newbie game where he even fakeclaimed DT and played ok...so I don't know what the deal is here.
However, I don't agree with your wiggles case. At least not with your reasoning. He basically calls draz "neutral scum survivor" in his post (for whatever reason). Thus, he doesn't feel like being accused of scumness (not third party doesn't rule out town) and your whole reasoning (at least here) crumbles. He could contribute more though.
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More food for thought:
all of you guys screaming how scum has 3 KP (C_C, Cwave and Rayzor). you might be right. But I find that quite high. Here's two other things I thought about looking at those kills:
a) this might be a massive lurker bane sorta thing, as all of those had less than a page and lurked quite hard.
b) they're all lined up in the signup list so maybe burn on and kill the one above and below.
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Sinani is dead, I was just wrong about the timing. NOT A VALID LYNCH
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I am not willing to kill Glados. The kill flavour might indicate that she might kill stuff, but how Veli made a sudden 180° just because one kill might be hers and she is being "sarcastic", creeps me out. Don't want to deal with Wheatley mutated. BTW: How is the blackmarket coming.
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Still, I think Dirk is not the best lynch target. I liked a few of his post. And him accusing foolishness seemed genuine and made sense.
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Nisani underperforms as hell. Don't like that.
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On March 20 2012 15:38 Adam4167 wrote:
JayJay,
I have been reading the thread, but not posting. I see no need to contribute to all of the noise that is going on in the thread. I find discussions about the black market, Foolishness' posting restriction, Gracks lemons, the D.Engine, wheatleys theorized shift in win condition to all be irrelevant to me and a distraction to everyone. None of those things help me find scum.1
Lets talk a little bit about Foolishness. He's one of the most renowned, if not the best, scum hunters on TL mafia. His posting habits were strange this game, sure, but lets look at this objectively. If he rolled anything but town, he would still have an incentive to scum-hunt to the best of his ability. All the scum factions want to kill the other scum factions that might shoot their members. The third parties want to look like they're useful/town so they can survive long enough to achieve their win objective. There is simply no good reason not to trust him and kill the people he singled out.2
On that note:
I still reaffirm that Dirk looks red to me. His 'scum-hunting' so far has been to wait for someone to call him scum and then retaliate in saying that they must be scum. His case against foolishness is weak to say the least: He has a post restriction (or is feigning it) => we should hang him.
His argument that Grack should be held accountable for shooting him is just an attempt to scare Grack away from pulling the trigger. Instead of trying to scare Grack away from shooting you, why don't you prove to Grack that it would be a bad idea by finding some scum. Put up a case, preferably something more tangible then "he's not posting".
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I am still waiting for that list of reads from Bluelightz. He was able to post in Wherebugsgo's C9++ mini, but never came back here to deliver those reads to us. I do not get the same feel from Bluelightz as I have in previous games with him. He's on my watch list.
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1 So you read the thread and see that it's misguided (I agree with the setting stuff), but you refuse to improve it. Why? That's not how I got to know you in AC. There, you cared. Here, you don't.
2 You claim to read the threat and then go on to post an analysis on a dead player? Way to go!
3 Actually no, Dirk's post said, that Foolishness hides. And he did. He posted one single read on dirk in this game. That was no strong play and I am still not conviced he was town. But that's not the point. This looks more like pushing a player who has been pushed thousands of times before. I know that you pushed him before, but I don't liked your three line reasoning sheeping foolishness either.
4 Same here. At least you add a point, though.
I have a picture of you in my head as a strong player, you were one of the firsts who figured out who toad was in AC. You're smart and you're certainly better thanyou are this game.
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On March 21 2012 04:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
hey kita! how are things? and a huge post too. lovely. Not bad. I was able to read through everyone's filter, but yours. You have a talent for posting so much that I don't care enough to read what you say, Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
However, I don't agree with your wiggles case. At least not with your reasoning. He basically calls draz "neutral scum survivor" in his post (for whatever reason). Thus, he doesn't feel like being accused of scumness (not third party doesn't rule out town) and your whole reasoning (at least here) crumbles. He could contribute more though. Do you think Wiggles is town? Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
all of you guys screaming how scum has 3 KP (C_C, Cwave and Rayzor). you might be right. But I find that quite high. Why? Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Still, I think Dirk is not the best lynch target. Who is the best lynch target? Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:40 Velinath wrote:
Nobody's bought anything from the black market yet. Given the opportunity to buy a watcher/medic/whatever role, you decided not to? Why is that? You've used the black market to cover up the fact that you aren't scum hunting. Why aren't you being transparent with you scum reads like you promised when elected?
You should read it, it's good. Are you accusing me of having not enough content?
I didn't post that to say he's town, I just didn't like your case, because it was based on the fact how he reacted when being accused scum, which he didn't. When I read it, I didn't think of a scum accuse, either. Look how he stressed "not the same party as me" instead of "not town". That was obvious and you probably could have seen that.
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.
3KP regular is too high, because I don't think 7 persons per day are gonna die (not including my vig shot), when there are win conditions out there involving destabilization code 5, which I assume is day 5. I may be wrong here though.
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On March 21 2012 04:22 Nisani201 wrote:
Why am I a reasonable target?
because you only got three posts with more than one line. You contributed shit and never even gave a single fuck read.
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On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing. Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary. You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.
I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them.
your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever).
I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts.
Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro.
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On March 21 2012 07:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I would agree with Wiggles that Kenpachi is probably 3rd party but we could save him for another day.
Kenpachi doesn't have towns interest in mind. All he cares about is whether people vote GlaDOS. He shows this by giving Drazerk, A confirmed non-town player, an item instead of giving it to town.
Just don't vote GlaDOS; I don't trust him.
well why would he claim third party, if he wasn't?
I mean it's possible, but why put yourself into the spotlight this much...
for those who missed it:
On March 17 2012 15:51 Kenpachi wrote:BH lets be assholes together. we will conquer town with the self proclaimed 3rd party Blazing Kenpachi Party. our motto would be familiar to the Italian guy you know and love ![[image loading]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/07/article-0-0065890C00000258-317_233x363.jpg) Me ne fregoOur Win condition? we win with town
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On March 21 2012 08:09 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing. Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary. You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig. On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.
I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them. your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever). I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts. Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro. I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined. I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once. I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game.
The difference between you and some other lurkers is, that I have seen you play a solid game in AC. This time you don't. I can as easily ask you why dirk above all lurkers. He has at least two posts where he states stuff which isn't popular at that time, even though it might be wrong. he was the second to vote draz, this fluff post had actual relevance at that point. And his concerns about foolishness were valid as well. You on the other hand (again) have not posted a single post actually contributing IMO.
BTW: The same applies to Nisani (who had a horrific "defense" as well, while you to your point actually are in here and talk to me)
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On March 21 2012 08:31 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:17 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 21 2012 08:09 Adam4167 wrote:On March 21 2012 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing. Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary. You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig. On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.
I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them. your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever). I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts. Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro. I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined. I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once. I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game. The difference between you and some other lurkers is, that I have seen you play a solid game in AC. This time you don't. I can as easily ask you why dirk above all lurkers. He has at least two posts where he states stuff which isn't popular at that time, even though it might be wrong. he was the second to vote draz, this fluff post had actual relevance at that point. And his concerns about foolishness were valid as well. You on the other hand (again) have not posted a single post actually contributing IMO. BTW: The same applies to Nisani (who had a horrific "defense" as well, while you to your point actually are in here and talk to me) I am not targeting Dirk because he is a lurker, nor do I use that word to describe him once. I am targeting him because he has a filter with zero content, his first post was waffly and his post aimed at Grack was not the reaction id expect from a townie. You seem pretty interested in discrediting anything I say. Why is that?
I discredited anyone who sheeped that foolishness dirk push. But I repeat myself here. Let's stop this now, it's getting town nowhere...
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