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Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 00:39 GMT
#966
On March 19 2012 09:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:25 Velinath wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion now is that Velinath is now a huge danger to town. We now we have possible evidence from Drazerk's claims that Velinath could be a 3rd party along with his Wheatley ability. Yes Drazerk lied about many things, but he also didn't lie about other parts. What possible motive would he have to have to initiate the election for Velinath and then do a 180 and say "don't vote for him he's a 3rd party" if he didn't run his DT check and it came back great power on Velinath? So based on this, 3rd parties can win with any faction, why does Velinath have to stay town-aligned? He doesn't, and he's a item factory that we cannot control.

I don't know why you're trusting Drazerk on anything given that he was all over the map with his claims. He also claimed that Wiggles was not the same as he was, which would be the use of his power as well. Since from what I can tell of his role PM he could only use this once per day, at least one of those claims is false.

lol, you can't compare him calling Wiggle's not the same as him, to him calling you the planar dragon.
He wouldn't have taken as much shit either if he didn't suddenly switch his view on electing you for seemingly no reason, so it's not some sort of planned out elaborate lie it seems like something he could have found out and posted without thinking of the consequences.
The only thing holding me back is this post :
On March 19 2012 06:14 Drazerk wrote:
Here is a list of people who need to die because they are scum but I distracted you all day so you never realized it -

kitaman27
gonzaw
MidnightGladius

People who you should look out for and probably have their own agenda -

Velinath
Jayjay54

People you should trust -

Kenpachi

People you should be voting for -

GlaDOS



so why do you want to take this post into consideration? Kenpachi is to trust because he did what draz wanted. I am on the "own agenda" list, because I pushed him. He was also already anti-town frustated when he posted that.

Also will, I claim to be the most active poster right now You should never be afraid of posting when you got something to say. more information = better for town. Don't hold back, just because you are afraid of dying. If everybody is active, scum won't know who to shoot...ezpz


EBWOP WTF happened there..
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 00:43 GMT
#969
On March 19 2012 09:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:25 Velinath wrote:
On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion now is that Velinath is now a huge danger to town. We now we have possible evidence from Drazerk's claims that Velinath could be a 3rd party along with his Wheatley ability. Yes Drazerk lied about many things, but he also didn't lie about other parts. What possible motive would he have to have to initiate the election for Velinath and then do a 180 and say "don't vote for him he's a 3rd party" if he didn't run his DT check and it came back great power on Velinath? So based on this, 3rd parties can win with any faction, why does Velinath have to stay town-aligned? He doesn't, and he's a item factory that we cannot control.

I don't know why you're trusting Drazerk on anything given that he was all over the map with his claims. He also claimed that Wiggles was not the same as he was, which would be the use of his power as well. Since from what I can tell of his role PM he could only use this once per day, at least one of those claims is false.

lol, you can't compare him calling Wiggle's not the same as him, to him calling you the planar dragon.
He wouldn't have taken as much shit either if he didn't suddenly switch his view on electing you for seemingly no reason, so it's not some sort of planned out elaborate lie it seems like something he could have found out and posted without thinking of the consequences.
The only thing holding me back is this post :
On March 19 2012 06:14 Drazerk wrote:
Here is a list of people who need to die because they are scum but I distracted you all day so you never realized it -

kitaman27
gonzaw
MidnightGladius

People who you should look out for and probably have their own agenda -

Velinath
Jayjay54

People you should trust -

Kenpachi

People you should be voting for -

GlaDOS



so why do you want to take this post into consideration? Kenpachi is to trust because he did what draz wanted. I am on the "own agenda" list, because I pushed him. He was also already anti-town frustated when he posted that.
more information = better for town. Don't hold back, just because you are afraid of dying. If everybody is active, scum won't know who to shoot...ezpz

My point is If he knew for sure that Velinath was the Planar dragon he probably would have put him in the need to die list rather than look out for list. My mentioning of it had nothing to do with you.
You're probably right though, he was pissed that he was getting lynched so he probably wasn't trying to help town.


I got that you weren't accusing me here. It was more to show, that he was just pissed at players and thus made this list.

This list is probably random. I believe he used the item on wiggles early on, just like he used his shot early on, and he wasn't superfriend gang. There is prolly no check on Veli, yet.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 00:44 GMT
#970
and by item, I mean check
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 00:57 GMT
#973
On March 19 2012 09:48 gonzaw wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote:

Gonzaw, since you're around, do you have a specific question you want me to answer? You put me in your post but you don't say what you want from me. If you want a general read on everyone, I came in late as a replacement and I didn't have any interaction with anyone to build reads on. Also do you realize that there are 29 other people still playing this game?


It's exactly for that reason. You came in late so you need to contribute for all those hours lost, and for all those "interactions" you couldn't have made.

Just read the thread and filters and give me your "not null" opinion on people, and give me your thoughts on Lanaia and Zephird, and anything else you find interesting.



Also why should Drazerk be banned? He wasn't playing against his win-con, he wins with any faction, he just needs to have another 3rd party dead first. I believe his reasoning on shooting VE as a strong player, and everything else snowballed because he claimed when he didn't have to.


I assumed he lost when he died.

If he couldn't get Kanti killed before being lynched, then he was going to lose.
However if what he said was true, then he would be going to lose, but tried to help another faction before dying, which wouldn't have anything to do with his win-con since he would already be going to lose.

Anyways, perhaps he can still win if he's dead, the moment Kanti dies.

However, that makes his role so easy. He can do whatever he wants, get lynched, get killed, etc; and he will win 100% of the time unless Kanti lives at endgame. That seems VERY unbalanced, so I assume he has to live to win as well (at least until Kanti dies).



Do you want the easy cases? How hard is it to point out the other lurkers and say "look at them" Dirk, Kita, CC, Sinani, etc. Do you really think putting pressure on me wouldn't be easily deflected by pointing to the other lurkers? If you compare my posts to theirs you can at least see I've contributed with longer responses then one sentence.


I'm putting pressure on everybody, not just you.
Also, since making "cases" against lurkers (at least by N1) isn't that helpful, I'd say I prefer your thoughts on the more active people


Regarding you Gonzaw, do you not fear for your life by being the most active poster? If you keep asking everyone questions and you are personally keeping track of everyone, why wouldn't you be the first one killed this night? Do you think scum have already found out blue roles, I don't think so. If you are town, you should back off and not present yourself as a target with your activity. If you are scum, you would just keep posting because you know you won't be a target. Do you have any response to this logic?


Why would I fear for my life?

Great, I'd like to play this game some more time, but if scum decide to shoot me, well, what can I do?
I won't back off and play sub-optimally just to "convince" scum not to kill me.
Also, perhaps I could get some medic protection (medics WIFOM about it), or not, so it wouldn't be too bad in the end if that happens (a scum KP would be wasted).



About Velinath (again):

First, I expect the mods to answer to Velinath about what he can reveal or not.
Just in case Velinath lies to us, I'll ask too:

Are elected roles allowed to reveal ALL information from their elected role?
Is Velinath allowed to reveal ALL information about his Wheatley role?

Second, I expect Velinath to tell us, right before the deadline, what item he will create and who he will give it too.
Then, on Day 2, I want that player to confirm that he got that exact item. This will confirm Velinath's ability, or at least part of it.

Third, I expect Velinath to follow town consensus regarding what he invents, and if the situation arises and he's under suspicion, he SHOULD repeat the same step from the second point I mentioned (i.e reveal what item he's making and who he's giving it to before the deadline).


However, I'd want you to truthfully answer us this question:


Are you really Planar Dragon?



If you are 3rd party, and depending on your win-conditions, we could make a deal with you. I see you somewhat care about this game, so I don't see you doing the retarded things Drazerk did if you were indeed 3rd party.
For instance, you give us ALL info about your role, about the Wheatly role, etc; and maybe we keep you medic-protected and try to fullfill your win condition (if it's not an anti-town one, for instance like Drazerk's one, killing another 3rd party) if you play along.

I gave Drazerk this option, and the fool refused it, so if you are 3rd party I'm giving it to you as well.
If you do not do this, and you are in fact 3rd party, you risk dying soon, considering a lot of people are doubting you already because of Drazerk's claim, and because of your powerful Wheatley abilities.



hey. I understand that you don't want lurkers, but it's actually not helpful for town if many reads get public.

a) if like 5 players agree that player X is town. Player X is a priority target for scum. If you hide your townreads and only defend them if necessary, Player X is more likely to stay alive and the five players can continue to orient him.
b) scumreads may alert the scum player to do stuff. this is not usually the case, but weak scum reads should not be overdosed IMO.
c) an overall picture of reads, make it easy for scum to navigate and manipulate players into doing things.
d) scum players may buddy and generate bandwagons this way

I don't want to conceal information. But sometimes it is better to slow down.

it's kinda the same if you are a DT. You don't openly claim DT, ideally. You push the player while hiding you're ability so that scum won't now to Roleblock you.

I like how active you are and how you want to generate more discussions (again: more information = better for town), but don't just question everyone for many reads. It is, in fact, not helpfull and water down the threads actual good scum reads...
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 07:19 GMT
#1017
yo.

this is where the idea of the black market is coming from:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313991&currentpage=24#467

maybe check that out. off to work now...see you in 9 hours or so.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 13:04 GMT
#1038
Its not a freaking post restriction. he got points for "creative thinking" for his first poem. if he had to post like that he wouldnt have points now.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 15:59 GMT
#1048
a) foolishness post restriction is 93.9% fake. He got point, and it's insane to restrict a player to create poems.
b) draz had no anger core. I don't even believe he had a portal gun. Why would you orient your actions on a player who messed with town. He lied all the time.
c) the black market stuff won't get us further either.

this night nothing was discussed then freaking setup. let's stop and focus.

Dirk's post may be looking like OMGUS. But I feel like he has a point. Foolishness in L was more than scary for scum. This game he has just pushed a (weak, because only based on one post) read on dirk and did push no one else. He has yet to perform like he usually does. The poems distract from that fact. I think kita posted that one should never trust a player who claims to have a post restriction. It's the easy way out.

also interesting:

On March 17 2012 10:05 Adam4167 wrote:
I am also interested in running for the Wheatley position.

Y'all know who I am, most of you have played with me before. Anyone that read the final days of BC's Arkham City would know that I am willing to put in 12+ hours a day to get a win in a game of mafia. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I didn't get a win in that game (-_-), but this time I am ready to be the hero that you deserve.

So vote to Elect Adam4167!

##ElectAdam4167


Not exactly. I know that you normally post more.

Blazinghand also disappeared after being one of the most active players at the beginning.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 16:13 GMT
#1050
On March 20 2012 01:09 zelblade wrote:
@JayJay

I agree that the post restriction is bullshit, and also that draz had no anger core (probably a lie to scare us). Even if he did his ability would make it useless, making it a non-exsistent threat. If you think his portal gun claim was fake, what do you think of kenpachi supposedly giving it to him? He claimed that he did. Kenpachi seems to be a pretty crazy player though I dont think he was lying about this. You seem to believe that he lied? What motivation do you think he would have for that action?

Blazinghand's dissapearance also worries me, considering how hard he tried to get the wheatly postion. Could be that hes feeling a little demotivated considering he missed it by one vote. I dont think im going to read too much into this now, unless he continues lurking of course.


Kenpachi is being Kenpachi. He actually puts more effort in this game than he usually does. So he might be town. He still trolls the shit out of everyone whenever he plays. I can't see him giving an item to draz who was already third party at the time.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 16:21 GMT
#1053
On March 20 2012 01:14 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
I actually have a pretty strong town read on BH at the moment.


and why is that?

I mean I had a townish read before, but his disappearance makes me a little suspicious. Also note, how he asks two times specifically for the abilities for Wheatley into vanishing. Felt odd.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 16:32 GMT
#1056
On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.


That assumption is dangerous.

Nisani: Yes, it's a smurf (indicated by the foolishness-acusation post)
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 16:33 GMT
#1057
On March 20 2012 01:32 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.


That assumption is dangerous.

Nisani: Yes, it's a smurf (indicated by the foolishness-acusation post)


EBWOP. misread sorry.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 18:26 GMT
#1070
On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.


so who'll be your shot? dirk?
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#1073
On March 20 2012 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:26 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.


so who'll be your shot? dirk?

unless some people who I actually trust complain.


I don't know how you feel about me, but I do think that there are better targets.

The only reason he is prefered over the other lurkers is foolishness who I don't trust yet.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 18:43 GMT
#1077
Compare this to this.

Look how much posting C_C has done in his town game L in the first couple of days. Look what he did now.

Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 18:50 GMT
#1082
On March 20 2012 03:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:33 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:26 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.


so who'll be your shot? dirk?

unless some people who I actually trust complain.


I don't know how you feel about me, but I do think that there are better targets.

The only reason he is prefered over the other lurkers is foolishness who I don't trust yet.

I'm feeling pretty good about you so I'll consider it. (I don't have a lemon anyways lol)
Foolishness #1 suspicion is almost always right as town.
This is a multi-factional game, if he actually is scum it doesn't make the shot bad.
Scum have an even easier time identifying scum teams because they already know their own team.


I don't follow, I don't think scum will bus on d1 considering how few members they prolly have...foolishness isn't even sure himself:

On March 19 2012 04:36 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 04:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 19 2012 04:02 Foolishness wrote:
But there's another thing I must restate,
A defense from Dirk, I still await.
He made one post,
he thinks he can coast?
Watch him closely over the next few dates.


hey rhyming bro,

why dirk over all the other lurkers? IMO his single post actually made sense at the time.

so why pick him over C_C or kita or whatever who had no single sensible post.


As I said, his post was one giant ball of fluff
To read it, on my eyes, it was certainly rough.
Perhaps my suspicion
was merely intuition.
He can live another day before we put on the cuffs.


I am not saying that dirk is looking good, but I say that there are better targets. C_C, Nisani, maybe adam. Some more.

Also, it is prolly a good idea to not openly announce a shot, since it is easily protected / you get RBed.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 18:54 GMT
#1085
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:48 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:38 Nisani201 wrote:
It was more of a joke anyways.


The only joke in this thread is your filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586&currentpage=All

Yesterday you were in the thread but you were being silent.
(when you were asking about veli's roles) that's not like yourself.
FYI, people have said that this game is full of blue roles so that won't be a valid excuse for you to be holding back on us.


Is there a question there?


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh


Hey, I heroicly (?) help him.

Why did your behaviour turn 180° when you lost the elections? Your posts regarding his role were odd as well. Then you disappeared.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 18:55 GMT
#1087
regarding *velis role. And not that you asked them, but how.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 19:04 GMT
#1098
On March 20 2012 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:54 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:48 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:38 Nisani201 wrote:
It was more of a joke anyways.


The only joke in this thread is your filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586&currentpage=All

Yesterday you were in the thread but you were being silent.
(when you were asking about veli's roles) that's not like yourself.
FYI, people have said that this game is full of blue roles so that won't be a valid excuse for you to be holding back on us.


Is there a question there?


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh


Hey, I heroicly (?) help him.

Why did your behaviour turn 180° when you lost the elections? Your posts regarding his role were odd as well. Then you disappeared.


It's typically a bad idea to post at night. Town's ability to pressure Mafia is diminished, and except for stuff that really needs to be posted before people determine night actions and specific Q+A, it's better to put things off until just before the dawn.


yea, because this game seems to have no blues in it and no vigs are possible. makes perfect sense.

Why would we stop scumhunting at night? If someone can't defend himself properly, he gets vigged. It's that easy.

And yea, the tone was upsetting, you just asked the same question in 5 words two times in a row and than disappeared without further comment. Combine that with your hard struggle to become Wheatley, that makes oneself curious...
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 19:08 GMT
#1105
man BH you are really reacting hard to a couple of questions. stop being so agressive. No one even called you scum. We just want to understand your actions

I don' agree with this here:

It's typically a bad idea to post at night. Town's ability to pressure Mafia is diminished, and except for stuff that really needs to be posted before people determine night actions and specific Q+A, it's better to put things off until just before the dawn.


we need discussions so THAT vigs can be directed.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
March 19 2012 19:10 GMT
#1108
On March 20 2012 04:08 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Here's the deal. I'm reading now that Grackaroni intends to shoot me tonight.

When I flip town, do NOT let him get away with it. There is absolutely no excuse for taking a shot at a townie in this situation, especially someone like me who is at least trying to keep the discussion moving.

Depending on how Grackaroni plays this out we should probably lynch him anyway. I understand that I was unavailable over the weekend and with a low amount of posts I'm an easy target to go for, but I think that now I've proven I can be an asset to this town, the fact that he's still thinking about shooting me is pretty incriminating.

I haven't been the model townie, so maybe it requires my flip. But if Grack shoots me, DO NOT LET HIM SHRUG IT OFF. I am not "just a bad townie".


I defended you quite a bit, but this post is bad and OMGUS. Why would you assume that Grack is scum, just because he thinks you are? You're not exactly townie.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
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