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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 18:57 GMT
#1089
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:48 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:38 Nisani201 wrote:
It was more of a joke anyways.


The only joke in this thread is your filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586&currentpage=All

Yesterday you were in the thread but you were being silent.
(when you were asking about veli's roles) that's not like yourself.
FYI, people have said that this game is full of blue roles so that won't be a valid excuse for you to be holding back on us.


Is there a question there?


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh

That was very defensive do you have something to hide?
Knowing your playstyle your being unusually quiet.
JJ also does raise a good point as well.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 18:59 GMT
#1092
On March 20 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:48 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:38 Nisani201 wrote:
It was more of a joke anyways.


The only joke in this thread is your filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586&currentpage=All

Yesterday you were in the thread but you were being silent.
(when you were asking about veli's roles) that's not like yourself.
FYI, people have said that this game is full of blue roles so that won't be a valid excuse for you to be holding back on us.


Is there a question there?


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh

That was very defensive do you have something to hide?
Knowing your playstyle your being unusually quiet.
JJ also does raise a good point as well.


I highly recommend you dine upon delicious carrots, my fellow gentleman. Things you're still not doing: contributing original thoughts.

I've only remembered you from one thing this game.
Calling out a suspicious post from Zelblade.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:01 GMT
#1094
On March 20 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:48 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:38 Nisani201 wrote:
It was more of a joke anyways.


The only joke in this thread is your filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586&currentpage=All

Yesterday you were in the thread but you were being silent.
(when you were asking about veli's roles) that's not like yourself.
FYI, people have said that this game is full of blue roles so that won't be a valid excuse for you to be holding back on us.


Is there a question there?


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh

That was very defensive do you have something to hide?
Knowing your playstyle your being unusually quiet.
JJ also does raise a good point as well.


I highly recommend you dine upon delicious carrots, my fellow gentleman. Things you're still not doing: contributing original thoughts.

I've only remembered you from one thing this game.
Calling out a suspicious post from Zelblade.


[image loading]

Your votes seemed suspicious.
You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you.
Why did you want to run for the election?
It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:06 GMT
#1101
On March 20 2012 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:48 Grackaroni wrote:
[quote]
Yesterday you were in the thread but you were being silent.
(when you were asking about veli's roles) that's not like yourself.
FYI, people have said that this game is full of blue roles so that won't be a valid excuse for you to be holding back on us.


Is there a question there?


Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh

That was very defensive do you have something to hide?
Knowing your playstyle your being unusually quiet.
JJ also does raise a good point as well.


I highly recommend you dine upon delicious carrots, my fellow gentleman. Things you're still not doing: contributing original thoughts.

I've only remembered you from one thing this game.
Calling out a suspicious post from Zelblade.


[image loading]

Your votes seemed suspicious.
You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you.
Why did you want to run for the election?
It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it.


Since losing the election, I asked veli some questions, went to bed, went to class, then came back. It has not been very long. I will not entertain your lunacy any further. If you have a real case, make it. Otherwise, get off my lawn.


Also, what, my votes seemed suspicious? Are you fucking kidding me? Here's what I did:

1) voted Cyber_Cheese for totally reasonable reasons
2) saw zelblade's "slip" (and he has not been captain mchelpful since) and voted him for that totally reasonable reason.
3) refused to negotiate with terrorists

Oh you're right clearly I'm suspicious, definitely i'm a problem and not a guy like you or nisani or something!

There's a difference, I don't expect much from Nisani. He's playing his standard game, I'm not sure that you are.
You voted for Cyber_Cheese because he had no posts.
I did give you credit for noticing Zelblade's post but you got votes before that even happened.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:10 GMT
#1107
On March 20 2012 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
[quote]

Oh wait let me answer this for myself: no, Grack is trying to "soft attack" without actually asking any questions or contributing eh

That was very defensive do you have something to hide?
Knowing your playstyle your being unusually quiet.
JJ also does raise a good point as well.


I highly recommend you dine upon delicious carrots, my fellow gentleman. Things you're still not doing: contributing original thoughts.

I've only remembered you from one thing this game.
Calling out a suspicious post from Zelblade.


[image loading]

Your votes seemed suspicious.
You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you.
Why did you want to run for the election?
It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it.


Since losing the election, I asked veli some questions, went to bed, went to class, then came back. It has not been very long. I will not entertain your lunacy any further. If you have a real case, make it. Otherwise, get off my lawn.


Also, what, my votes seemed suspicious? Are you fucking kidding me? Here's what I did:

1) voted Cyber_Cheese for totally reasonable reasons
2) saw zelblade's "slip" (and he has not been captain mchelpful since) and voted him for that totally reasonable reason.
3) refused to negotiate with terrorists

Oh you're right clearly I'm suspicious, definitely i'm a problem and not a guy like you or nisani or something!

There's a difference, I don't expect much from Nisani. He's playing his standard game, I'm not sure that you are.
You voted for Cyber_Cheese because he had no posts.
I did give you credit for noticing Zelblade's post but you got votes before that even happened.


Ok, so your case is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"?

Is that really your case?

I never even said I was making a case on you. I'm pressuring you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:11 GMT
#1109
On March 20 2012 04:09 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Also, the fact Grack is also going for Blazinghand, someone I have a pretty strong town read on bothers me a lot.

Your best scum read is Foolishness because he wants to lynch you, and me because I said I would shoot you.
Great Work. (this is of course assuming you have read the thread)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:17 GMT
#1118
On March 20 2012 04:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
[quote]

I highly recommend you dine upon delicious carrots, my fellow gentleman. Things you're still not doing: contributing original thoughts.

I've only remembered you from one thing this game.
Calling out a suspicious post from Zelblade.


[image loading]

Your votes seemed suspicious.
You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you.
Why did you want to run for the election?
It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it.


Since losing the election, I asked veli some questions, went to bed, went to class, then came back. It has not been very long. I will not entertain your lunacy any further. If you have a real case, make it. Otherwise, get off my lawn.


Also, what, my votes seemed suspicious? Are you fucking kidding me? Here's what I did:

1) voted Cyber_Cheese for totally reasonable reasons
2) saw zelblade's "slip" (and he has not been captain mchelpful since) and voted him for that totally reasonable reason.
3) refused to negotiate with terrorists

Oh you're right clearly I'm suspicious, definitely i'm a problem and not a guy like you or nisani or something!

There's a difference, I don't expect much from Nisani. He's playing his standard game, I'm not sure that you are.
You voted for Cyber_Cheese because he had no posts.
I did give you credit for noticing Zelblade's post but you got votes before that even happened.


Ok, so your case is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"?

Is that really your case?

I never even said I was making a case on you. I'm pressuring you.


You dodged the question. Here, let me rephrase it in terms that you can understand better:


Ok, so your PRESSURE is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"?

Is that really your PRESSURE?

No the main reason is that you seem to be hiding.
If it wasn't for you getting voted for election and pointing out zelblade's post I wouldn't remember you were playing.
The election thing I added is just that I found it suspicious that you were getting votes without being overly pro-town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:20 GMT
#1121
On March 20 2012 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 04:17 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:13 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2012 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 20 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:
[quote]

[image loading]

Your votes seemed suspicious.
You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you.
Why did you want to run for the election?
It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it.


Since losing the election, I asked veli some questions, went to bed, went to class, then came back. It has not been very long. I will not entertain your lunacy any further. If you have a real case, make it. Otherwise, get off my lawn.


Also, what, my votes seemed suspicious? Are you fucking kidding me? Here's what I did:

1) voted Cyber_Cheese for totally reasonable reasons
2) saw zelblade's "slip" (and he has not been captain mchelpful since) and voted him for that totally reasonable reason.
3) refused to negotiate with terrorists

Oh you're right clearly I'm suspicious, definitely i'm a problem and not a guy like you or nisani or something!

There's a difference, I don't expect much from Nisani. He's playing his standard game, I'm not sure that you are.
You voted for Cyber_Cheese because he had no posts.
I did give you credit for noticing Zelblade's post but you got votes before that even happened.


Ok, so your case is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"?

Is that really your case?

I never even said I was making a case on you. I'm pressuring you.


You dodged the question. Here, let me rephrase it in terms that you can understand better:


Ok, so your PRESSURE is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"?

Is that really your PRESSURE?

No the main reason is that you seem to be hiding.
If it wasn't for you getting voted for election and pointing out zelblade's post I wouldn't remember you were playing.
The election thing I added is just that I found it suspicious that you were getting votes without being overly pro-town.


Well I'm sorry you have a bad memory. Nothing I can do about that. I suppose I got my 13 votes from my 12 scumbuddies!

It only really takes 1-2 votes. it was a 2 candidate race, after a couple votes were thrown down nobody else got a 2nd vote.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:25 GMT
#1125
On March 20 2012 04:24 RayzorFlash wrote:
Grrr, I post analysis and while I'm writing it up theres 3 pages of pointless arguing instead of actual scumhunting...

I am disappoint

Sorry, I'll stop spamming for a bit
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 19:46 GMT
#1133
On March 19 2012 19:16 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
We lynch Foolishness tomorrow.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=47499&currentpage=All

I thought I recalled him trolling a game with a posting restriction like that some time ago, and I was right. In this game he basically faked a posting restriction as scum. It's an easy way to troll the thread and create pointless discussion.

Any chance you would tell us who's smurf you are?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#1147
Threads about to close. In case I die
I think JJ/Wiggles/Velinath/Gonzaw are all probably town.
I Would be surprised if 2/3 of JJ-Wiggles-Foolishness aren't hit.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 23:06 GMT
#1154
KALTHAZAR, LORD OF THE DIMENSIONAL RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFT clearly wanted Gonzaw's item as well.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 23:30 GMT
#1169
I think I will take a shot in the dark and say that the security camera watches people.
Hopefully the lynches won't be no-flip.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 23:46 GMT
#1186
The burned to death seem more like town shots to me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 19 2012 23:51 GMT
#1193
On March 20 2012 08:49 Nisani201 wrote:
Quote from the OP:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Game Setup Information
[...]
This is a Closed setup :D However there will be full role reveal upon death, so at least that’s something.

I don't know why there were no flips. The only possibility I can think of is that the flips are delayed and will be revealed to us later.

I guess it's possible that he isn't promising that there's no no-flips and he's just saying that when a player flips we get to see their role PM.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 20 2012 00:15 GMT
#1202
On March 20 2012 09:12 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +

Every player has their own unique kill flavor.

From the OP.

And now we have three times "burned to death"?

hmm... I guess that means the same person killed all 3 of those guys. Nice Catch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 20 2012 22:24 GMT
#1261
I feel pretty strongly that lynching Dirk is the right choice to make.

His /in post alone lets us know that he's a smurf. He was allowed in with 1 post while Nisani's friend was not.

On March 19 2012 19:16 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
We lynch Foolishness tomorrow.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=47499&currentpage=All

I thought I recalled him trolling a game with a posting restriction like that some time ago, and I was right. In this game he basically faked a posting restriction as scum. It's an easy way to troll the thread and create pointless discussion.

This post tells me that EITHER Dirk has a lot of time on his hands and looked back through foolishness' games from 8 months ago in order to support his omgus, instead of actively scumhunting. OR this guy has been playing for a long time and is playing a much worse game than he actually should be.

I mean if you look at it he's not even hiding that he's a veteran. He gives out lots of pro-town advice in his original post and his views show that he's played a lot of games before this one.

On March 20 2012 01:50 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
The best way to deal with people not posting or attempting to skirt by is to shoot them when there are so many of them. The difference between people who don't post much is very little, and it's almost a given that mafia can push the lynch off their lurker onto another one. A vigilante shot is much less... emotional and involved.

Ready your guns gentlemen.


The problem is that aside from giving out generic pro-town advice that any veteran could, he hasn't done anything for town. Dirk has been hiding, he only shows up when he's under pressure or if he has to post. He made 2 posts that he had to make explaining his lynch and election choice. As Foolishness already said they add nothing new to the discussion, he then disappears again. Only after being called out, dies he decide to make a shitty case on foolishness and he even contradicts his own generic pro-town advice to vig lurkers when he tries to scare me away from shooting him.

To sum it up, I think that dirk is a smurf of a good player.
He did not contribute anything to the town.
his cases have all been forced omguses. ----> (If he is smurfing he is pretending to be worse than he actually is)
hes attempting to skirt by; he only posts when he is threatened or if he needs to justify a vote.
And of course the most important reason is that Foolishness is always right (I know we don't know what he was but it's a multifactional game, it doesn't actually matter if he was town as every role but VI should be trying to lynch scum)
##Vote: Dirk Hardpec
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1263
On March 21 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:
@grack: I thought you needed another lemon to shoot Dirk? Why the change of heart?

Well nobody gave me another lemon. Otherwise I would.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 20 2012 22:57 GMT
#1267
I would agree with Wiggles that Kenpachi is probably 3rd party but we could save him for another day.
Kenpachi doesn't have towns interest in mind. All he cares about is whether people vote GlaDOS. He shows this by giving Drazerk, A confirmed non-town player, an item instead of giving it to town.
Just don't vote GlaDOS; I don't trust him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 20 2012 23:41 GMT
#1275
On March 21 2012 08:37 Jayjay54 wrote:
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On March 21 2012 08:31 Adam4167 wrote:
On March 21 2012 08:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 21 2012 08:09 Adam4167 wrote:
On March 21 2012 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:
I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing.

Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary.

You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig.

On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.


I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them.


your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever).

I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts.

Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro.


I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined.

I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once.

I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game.



The difference between you and some other lurkers is, that I have seen you play a solid game in AC. This time you don't. I can as easily ask you why dirk above all lurkers. He has at least two posts where he states stuff which isn't popular at that time, even though it might be wrong. he was the second to vote draz, this fluff post had actual relevance at that point. And his concerns about foolishness were valid as well. You on the other hand (again) have not posted a single post actually contributing IMO.

BTW: The same applies to Nisani (who had a horrific "defense" as well, while you to your point actually are in here and talk to me)


I am not targeting Dirk because he is a lurker, nor do I use that word to describe him once. I am targeting him because he has a filter with zero content, his first post was waffly and his post aimed at Grack was not the reaction id expect from a townie.

You seem pretty interested in discrediting anything I say. Why is that?


I discredited anyone who sheeped that foolishness dirk push. But I repeat myself here. Let's stop this now, it's getting town nowhere...

Give me

What makes you think that people who voted for dirk are scummy? Why are you convinced he is town?
Drazerk was an obvious liar with no teammates; I don't see why scum wouldn't want to sheep that vote.
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