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Jayjay54
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On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote: Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed. You claimed Balrog later on. You claimed Dayvig and the shot before your wincon changed. I was refereing to the shot / vig. now that you are here: why don't you want a veli to be Wheatley after your wincon change? | ||
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On March 18 2012 01:30 ghost_403 wrote: @JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum. As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light. I'd rather lynch scum, too. I doubt we'll find a good scum lynch on d1. It's normally a total gamble. But as I said, I am at any point willing to switch, if there's a target which satisfies me. Until then: Draz is most likely third, but might lie about his wincon. Ok, I try to explain my train of thought here: Wheatley already freaks me out. Read the post again. It's creepy. I think it is almost safe to assume that he will turn evil at some point. I don't want a kitaman or so in that position. It's just too powerful. Moreover, a strong player who turns against us, is a lost strong player. If we imply total transparency about the ability, it doesn't matter how experienced a player is, since the actions are town guided. So what's the downside? Mav, I actually don't want to be Wheatley. | ||
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@Wiggles: You misunderstood. It was not about directing actions. It was more about the possibility of the player betraying us later on, regardless of his alignment. gonzaw: @ On March 18 2012 03:16 gonzaw wrote: I think this Drazerk thing is distracting us too much. I'll just ask this to Drazerk, and hopefully nothing more so we can continue trying to hunt scum: -Can you tell us your EXACT process of thought in every action you've taken? As in, what you were thinking when you shot VE, what you were thinking when you chose to elect Velinath, what you were thinking when you decided to post that you wanted items, etc. Explain those inconsistencies found in your posts -How exactly does your day-shot work? Will you let us control your shot on D2-D3 and so on? If your role can't do that, state the exact reasons for doing so, and state EVERY restriction your role has. -If you want to live, I suggest you let town control the use of your DT item -What item did you use on Wiggles? Explain that thoroughly, and explain your thought process as well (which relates to the 1st point). For instance, why did you choose to use it on Wiggles? If you don't give us ALL the info we want, stop cloggin up the thread, stop confusing town, and let us control your shots/items, then you should die. If you DO everything of the above, I think we could give you the useless items (like those lemons people are talking about) every once in a while, like a treat. You do know that if you don't do everything we tell you to, we lynch you right? You will have to hope scum kill Gandalf for you, and that you behave well enough to receive the useless items. This already contradicts itself. You say don't want discussion on Drazerk and then go on and make a huge paragraph with questions generating discussions. Your "this is why Drazerk is town" post was just so naive. Think a little. Finally you say, you'd rather lynch third or scum than town. Well guess what, Drazerk indicated quite clearly he is not town. Other than that you just ask questions to EVERYONE. It's freaking day 1. You imagine everybody already has like 3 scum reads? | ||
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On March 18 2012 03:28 Drazerk wrote: sigh... I have the anger core two random people who are voting for me when I am lynched will die I will not be passing it to someone so you can lynch me so if you are going to kill me do it via a bullet. now it's just getting sad. You already had a DT item, now you have a second one which happens to kill people lynching you? really? try to be more creative. | ||
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but you have to take into account WHEN he did that. In fact, he was the second after me to vote draz. As I read that post, I actually liked it and thought "Geeez, at least somebody supports me". This post might be 'state of the art' now, but at the time he posted that, he actually made a point. I am not willing to vote someone based on that. I want to see more of him. (on that nore: Kita? C_C? Rayzor?) lightz is always somewhat crazy. He is, however, no new player. He knows this game pretty well. Still null to me. gonzaw I am willing to believe your new town stuff for now. still, try to focus a little, otherwise it looks like tryhard contributing (e.g. asking all players for all reads) Another player I'd like to address is sinani. On March 18 2012 02:00 sinani206 wrote: Don't elect Velinath. I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath. into On March 18 2012 03:14 sinani206 wrote: OK Vel, you're definitely town. Just wanted to see how you would react. felt really artificial. this was the defense post: On March 18 2012 02:09 Velinath wrote: Kill me? Why? If we can find a better candidate, I'm willing to throw my support behind them, but honestly I feel I make a fairly good candidate here. I've already said I'm willing to be completely transparent when it comes to abilities that the Wheatley office receives. I'm not a third party or scum. I'm town aligned. Why would you want to lynch me day 1? I mean, it's ok I guess. But it certainly is not WOOOOW TOWN DEFENCE WTF? his other posts are pretty thin-reasoned. | ||
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a) he claims to have 3 items. Assuming the anger thing is fake, he still has two important items, which means, there's a good chance that we can get to town by lynching (assuming town votes here). I believe a DT item is pretty cool on a more trusted player. b) he claims to have a portal gun, which makes him unshotable. I assume it's a busdriver thing. I actually think, we make a mistake, if we leave him alive. He lied about his wincon and is still lying. I believe he's third looking at the general reactions, but I think he is not at all town favouring. ________________________________________________________ blaze, I like your reasoning with the VT-thing. That makes perfect sense. I made a couple of comments on how you shouldn't react with "there are no VTs" and you took that concept and applied it to votes. I think it makes sense. I will consider voting you, although I don't believe you're a bad scum player. Everybody says that during an election campaign. why is C-C "basically scum" if he hasn't posted at all? I mean he's prolly drunk somewhere green beer style. I don't want to give him a green card (get it?) here, but to call scum rightaway seems harsh. However, the zelblade thing is a little bit of overreacting IMO. link => links is actually a valid edit. which changes the content... | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:08 Drazerk wrote: You have all the information I have bar the information about my kill shot WHICH I CAN NOT GIVE OUT I don't care about being lynched if you idiots lynch me hopefully I take out gandalf with me and get a 50/50 on the win con You people really need to learn that the more scummy I appear the more likely I am town and visa versa are you actually claiming to be town? | ||
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 it's amazing how easily he can start a bandwagon and no one questions it. His reasoning behind the Dirk lynch was that he only has one post and that he tried to blend in etc. is just....not right. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=25#498 here. I want you all to click on the link and look at the context. He actually made a point with his post. He contributed more with this post than some players in the game. What I am trying to say, is that this lynch, is a pretty random lurker lynch. We don't even know if foolishness is town. I know that everyone was like "Hey that guy is town, he speaks in riddles". Again, no reasoning. If this account had a different name, no one would be voting dirk right now and foolishness would be far from being confirmed. But I am tempted to see if he is right.... I still think draz is the right choice. And I'll sum up again why: a) 0% chance of town lynch b) items are (probably) claimed by town and not by scum tonight c) He already claimed an anti-town wincon and I don't even believe this one. (Balrog with item fetish, no) d) His anger core is fake, it would break the game (because it sticks around. I can only imagine that every time someone gets lynched he claims again core! Not starting about LYLO). There is no anger core. e) If he has a portal gun, he can protect himself (I still think by logic that this is a bus driver thing). alright. I don't have a reason to think foolishness is scum yet. But he hasn't provided a reason why he is town yet either. Don't just assume things and actually read stuff. Dirk is a coinflip at best. The "blend in"arguement is straight up wrong, looking at the context when the post is made. I still think Draz needs to die. No good will come frome him. | ||
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On March 18 2012 19:35 Drazerk wrote: JayJay - Anger core is used up on use If I am leading in votes by lynch time I will be passing the guns to someone I believe will screw the town the most When I flip I am going to laugh at you Your threats show, how much of a liability to town you are. You are willing to screw town over just to fullfil your wincon. We can't leave you alive. Why would you laugh at me? I believe you are third and am completely willing to lynch you, even if everything you say is true. | ||
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to all of you who say "we have to get rid of drazerk at some point", you are right. But NOW is the point. Town will accumulate more information over time, lurkers will have to post, opinions stated. D1 is the lynch which is normally the most random. The information is little, we have seen no nightkills. Why would you propose to trade the lynch NOW for a later day lynch when we have a lot more information and cases to fall back onto? We don't want to have a killing third party around on LYLO. Let's take care of this problem now, get the items and use the information, we gain (from night actions), to get a good D2 lynch. | ||
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cool. would you like to share? | ||
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On March 19 2012 00:21 Hassybaby wrote: Jayjay, there's one bit you're forgetting though. If Drazerk is lynched then there is a small chance his items go to scum, just because it a roll of the dice and they could vote him to have a throw If he's vigged, then a town gets the items if he is nightkilled the same applies. there is no safe way to claim the items. I hate kenpachi for giving him an item (if that's true). It made no sense. | ||
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On March 19 2012 00:23 Drazerk wrote: Small chance? I guarantee you all the scum / third party are lynching me because of how easy it is if we all vote you then town has like a 65% chance or so. | ||
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On March 19 2012 00:27 Drazerk wrote: We don't know how many town there are as it is a closed set up. 4 super third party 4 sleeper cells 4+? scum Then you have all your lurkers etc and people who won't vote me so your looking at around 10% of them going to someone useful at best it's 4,4,2 because 2 third parties are dead. thus it'll be around 18 vs 10 (assuming everyone is voting you). maybe a little less. hassy: it's in the OP, it's not random, the items are distributed in a hidden killing order. | ||
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there just will never be a better time to get rid of third party then D1. If we ever have a lack of good candidates (other than lurkers) it is now. if he (as he claimed) has 3 items, he will most def fire into town tomorrow to fulfill his wincon as fast as possible (if he didn't lie). He will then hope that gandalf has an item and begs for another. so even if he tells the truth about his wincon, he will shoot into town tomorrow. nuff' said. he's a good D1 lynch. | ||
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On March 19 2012 00:38 Drazerk wrote: I can't shoot tomorrow Stop being an idiot and actually read the thread I have already said I will wait for scum / third party to kill him so no I won't as YOU ALREADY KNOW MY KILL FLAVOUR ARRRRGH I honestly believe you are scum the way you are pushing my lynch atm because really you are refusing to read and not looking at the bigger picture and this will catch up with you in a few days time. I did read the thread and I understood that you can shoot if you get items, which you did. We know you're not town and you have to kill (one) town. That by itself is enough to justify a lynch. We can't afford having you around at lylo. It's just the way it is. So why not kill you D1? also, did I mention I don't buy your wincon? I am no scum, but I assume that's another card you have to draw leading the vote after doing anything else like threatening town by an item which happens to kill people who vote you or giving away items to "scum", saying you don't shoot no more and letting scum kill your target. This is my last post here on your case bro, I think you're dead and honestly I am looking forward to your flip. I still think you're third, but I'd love to read your role PM. This will also give us additional input about this superfriendly gang (which may be anti-town too) | ||
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People to look at (IMO): Completely Insane: Kenpachi: As always, trolling the shit out of town. It's hard to read stuff into that. I doubt that he gave draz an item for a single vote. Won't probably be helpfull all game long, regardless of alignment. Often survives through sheer non-helfulness. Random: Lightz: I know about him that he is not new in this game. Played with him in caller where he had a tough bastard role. Both election and lynch choice where pretty random. Some people where saying that this is his meta. Not sure yet. Sane, strong but dangerous: Foolishness: He can freakingly win for town single handedly from what I've seen. I was not really excited about his dirk read. Felt random. Also the rhyming confuses me. Hope he'll pick up his usual performance. Would be scary if he's scum. New and scummy: David: What stands out here, is that he normally posts much more. For reference: The Kaller game filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313991&user=60919 he had roughly 7% of the toal posts there. now he only made a few posts, while still being somehow around all the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=60919 Scummy, if you ask me. Because his town game varies so much from this one. lurker list (nothing yet to see): kita (who kinda always lurks a little, but normally makes at least one sane post each day); dirk, C-C, Cwave, Shrubbles, Rayzor, Sinsnsnianid (I mean both). Problem with this game is: Voting will tell us shit about alignment with like 4 parties floating around. They'll be pushing against each other all the time. | ||
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On March 19 2012 02:08 iGrok wrote: Jayjay54 has recieved 1 Science Collaboration Point for passing the Aperture Science Reading Comprehension Test (reading the OP) 20/20 science vision, bro | ||
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