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And by the way, Nova gets mad and makes a case for anyone who says anything about him. He flips his mind every time a new argument is made, just following the flow of the thread.
On March 16 2012 06:24 Gossemerr wrote:
Additionally, the evidence that Ele, Me, and Infero are related is just as bad as you say my evidence that Nova, Phagga, and Janaan are possibly related.
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Wow, i actually dont know what to say. I feel offended by this, the first time i've felt offended by anything on the internet in some time.
Can you trash me a bit more here?
Back up your defense. I've made a total of 2 cases in the game, one against cosine to make day 1 conversation, and one against you(which includes ele and inferno). other than that, i have pointed out suspicious things in peoples play while noting that it wasnt an accusation, and in most cases, people agree.
I got mad once, and said it. thats it. I most certainly do not make a case for anyone that said anything about me. actually, until now, i feel that you, ele, and inferno have barely pressured me, and if you did, i barely noticed it. and you guys are my one good case.
once again, back up your defense. the evidence that you, ele, and inferno are related is not bad, it easily could make logical sense. also, i believe that i was the first to call janaan's questioning out, whereas you didnt do anything to pressure ele or inferno in any way.
When i see a logical argument, i go through filters and see what makes sense. its not flipping my mind whenever a new argument is made, its genuine curiousity for the argument and if it agrees with the filters than it could work.
Lastly, This, meaning TL Mafia in general, doesnt take that much of a time committment. you dont have to be on here half as much as me to still be an effective and active player. most of the time, i just check in quickly. If you cant make a committment to like 45 minutes to 1 hour of time in 1 day, i dont see why you would join a highly interactive co-dependent game like this.
How rude.
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On March 13 2012 14:06 Janaan wrote:GG FirmTofu I think we need to use this night phase to get some cases rolling. We don't have much to go on as far as cases go from Day 1, so we've got our work cut out for us. One thing I noticed from the votes that I found very interesting was Koritora's No Lynch vote. Here's one of his early posts: Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote:
However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Then he turns around and: Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:37 koritora wrote:
Well besides the fact FirmTofu has only made talk about lynching a lurker, there isn't really much else to go on. Same case can be made for InfernoOkami7. But since either hasn't spoken up lately, I can only assume they are lurking and that puts my vote up in the air for these two unless they come and contribute something meaningful. But as of the moment, I can't decide between the two and therefore going with a no lynch.
##Vote: No Lynch First he says that he's suspicious of anyone who is against lynching on day 1. Then he's all of a sudden against lynching on day 1? This seems like a huge contradiction to me. Is it possible that he's trying to take away suspicion since he didn't vote for the mislynch? I'm not sure, but it's definitely possible. I think he's definitely worth a closer look.
Then, in his vote post he seem to agree with my case on you and found it strange that Jaanan protect you like this.
While these accusation are debatable, I don't think that he had no reason to vote on Janaan whereas Eleanthas is much more a semi-lurker as he never really stated his own opinion about anything.
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Nova_Terra,
the major hole in your case is that you're fixated on the idea that Elea, Gosse, and InfernO are related. This may or may not be the case, and you're basing a lot of your analysis on that. If even one of your assumptions are wrong the other two are greatly weakened, and that's not okay for a strong case.
Seviro brings up an excellent point in his last post: we shouldn't let our vote be influenced entirely by connections, and connections cannot be read as meaning that people are scum.
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EBWOP It's seem like I missed a part of my post.
On March 16 2012 06:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
@ seviro, i think the same reasoning applies to Gosse. Take a look at his filter; he really isnt a big contributor. at all. he barely has more posts than ele, and spreads doubt regarding members of the town better.
in those 2 cases:
1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up
2. he turns out to be a scum which means we can assume that ele is scum as well, which likely makes inferno a scum.
I agree with either of the two as a lynch target, but there is something to be said for eliminating the more dangerous player first.
I will be on for another ~30 minutes where i can answer questions or change my vote (between those 2). Sorry for any typos, typing on an ipad.
1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up
Well to be fair I think he had somthing to back it up. First, he point out that Janaan bring up his suspicion on Koritora after the lynch has been done. Had he post that before the end of the day that could have saved FirmTofu. Also the fact that Janaan wrote his post suspecting Koritora right after the night post as if he wanted to lead the discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 14:06 Janaan wrote:GG FirmTofu I think we need to use this night phase to get some cases rolling. We don't have much to go on as far as cases go from Day 1, so we've got our work cut out for us. One thing I noticed from the votes that I found very interesting was Koritora's No Lynch vote. Here's one of his early posts: Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote:
However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Then he turns around and: Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:37 koritora wrote:
Well besides the fact FirmTofu has only made talk about lynching a lurker, there isn't really much else to go on. Same case can be made for InfernoOkami7. But since either hasn't spoken up lately, I can only assume they are lurking and that puts my vote up in the air for these two unless they come and contribute something meaningful. But as of the moment, I can't decide between the two and therefore going with a no lynch.
##Vote: No Lynch
First he says that he's suspicious of anyone who is against lynching on day 1. Then he's all of a sudden against lynching on day 1? This seems like a huge contradiction to me. Is it possible that he's trying to take away suspicion since he didn't vote for the mislynch? I'm not sure, but it's definitely possible. I think he's definitely worth a closer look.
Then, in his vote post he seem to agree with my case on you and found it strange that Jaanan protect you like this.
While these accusation are debatable, I don't think that he had no reason to vote on Janaan whereas Eleanthas is much more a semi-lurker as he never really stated his own opinion about anything.
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Okay, in an effort to make sure that there will not be a no-lynch, i am changing my vote to eleanthas, as he seems to be more popular of a lynch candidate for others and i was find with an eleanthas lynch today anyway.
##Unvote: Gossemerr
##Vote: Eleanthas
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Play nice little ones.
I am currently trying to get ZBot reset. If that doesn't work I will be doing a manual vote count today. Remember to make sure you have formatted them correctly.
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Nova, what? You are the most emotional person here. I was not trying to hurt your feelings... I meant everyone's case that we are related. And did I say I didn't spend time once or twice per day? No. I SAID, I don't post ALL day. Your last bit is just attacking me for no reason, why even question why I want to play? To have fun, of course. :D All I can say is you flip your own mind very quickly and very often; most of the time without explaining why your past argument is no longer valid. I don't see why you scrapped your ele vote, if you thought he was so suspicious before I posted yesterday.
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On March 16 2012 06:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
@ seviro, i think the same reasoning applies to Gosse. Take a look at his filter; he really isnt a big contributor. at all. he barely has more posts than ele, and spreads doubt regarding members of the town better.
in those 2 cases:
1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up
2. he turns out to be a scum which means we can assume that ele is scum as well, which likely makes inferno a scum.
I agree with either of the two as a lynch target, but there is something to be said for eliminating the more dangerous player first.
I will be on for another ~30 minutes where i can answer questions or change my vote (between those 2). Sorry for any typos, typing on an ipad.
1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up
Well to be fair I think he had somthing to back it up. First, he point out that Janaan bring up his suspicion on Koritora after the lynch has been done. Had he post that before the end of the day that could have saved FirmTofu. Also the fact that Janaan wrote his post suspecting Koritora right after the night post as if he wanted to lead the discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 14:06 Janaan wrote:GG FirmTofu I think we need to use this night phase to get some cases rolling. We don't have much to go on as far as cases go from Day 1, so we've got our work cut out for us. One thing I noticed from the votes that I found very interesting was Koritora's No Lynch vote. Here's one of his early posts: Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote:
However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Then he turns around and: Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:37 koritora wrote:
Well besides the fact FirmTofu has only made talk about lynching a lurker, there isn't really much else to go on. Same case can be made for InfernoOkami7. But since either hasn't spoken up lately, I can only assume they are lurking and that puts my vote up in the air for these two unless they come and contribute something meaningful. But as of the moment, I can't decide between the two and therefore going with a no lynch.
##Vote: No Lynch First he says that he's suspicious of anyone who is against lynching on day 1. Then he's all of a sudden against lynching on day 1? This seems like a huge contradiction to me. Is it possible that he's trying to take away suspicion since he didn't vote for the mislynch? I'm not sure, but it's definitely possible. I think he's definitely worth a closer look.
Then, in his vote post he seem to agree with my case on you and found it strange that Jaanan protect you like this.
While these accusation are debatable, I don't think that he had no reason to vote on Janaan whereas Eleanthas is much more a semi-lurker as he never really stated his own opinion about anything.
Yay, I think i posted it right now
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Also thanks Seviro, at least I make a little sense to someone.
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Praise Jebus it works!
Day 2 vote. Remember you need a majority at the deadline to lynch,
Current votes:
Eleanthas (2): Seviro, Nova_Terra
Gossemerr (2): Nova_Terra, Mementoss, Velinath, -Nova_Terra
koritora (1): Janaan
Janaan (1): Gossemerr
InfernOokami7 (1): phagga
Not voting: Eleanthas, koritora, InfernOokami7
The Day deadline is at 2012-03-16 12:00:00. (That's approximately 4:52:19 from now.)
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We have 5 hours. Let's reach a consensus. I'm still most willing to vote for Gossemerr given the thought of "He's probably town but I'm voting him anyway" (despite Gosse's previous post, I still maintain that if you think someone's "probably town", implying you're over 50% sure that they are town, you should not be voting for them), but I still need to go read the cases on Eleanthas (I've already given my opinion on NT's, but I need to look harder at Seviro's stuff as well as Elea's filter).
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@Vel: Please see what Seviro said already. I stated in my first posts that I didn't want a no lynch situation to prolong day 1. I don't really see how thats not valid.
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On March 16 2012 07:03 Gossemerr wrote:
@Vel: Please see what Seviro said already. I stated in my first posts that I didn't want a no lynch situation to prolong day 1. I don't really see how thats not valid.
It's invalid because you stated that you believed FT to be town. If people were okay with voting people whom they believed to be town, scum would win every game and bandwagons would be a lot easier to start (as Day 1 in this game demonstrated).
I'm going to go read Elea's stuff now.
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I did not say 100% that he was town.. also it was day 1 and i did not believe in a no lynch...
Also why tell us you are going to real Ele's stuff? Fluff..
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Alright, some thoughts (didn't take that long, 9 posts is not that much to read through):
Elea hasn't even posted today, as far as I can tell. Yesterday, he voted, left, and totally disappeared. Showed back up to talk a bit about Kori and Cosine, but I find it interesting that he is completely unwilling to commit to a stance on any player.
Coupled with his hardcore lurking I'm willing to vote Elea if we can form a consensus on lynching him. That said, I am still suspicious of Gosse for reasons listed above.
##Unvote: Gossemerr
##Vote: Eleanthas
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On March 16 2012 07:12 Gossemerr wrote:
I did not say 100% that he was town.. also it was day 1 and i did not believe in a no lynch...
Also why tell us you are going to real Ele's stuff? Fluff..
I'm sorry, I did overstate that. You said he was "probably town" which implies that you are leaning towards him being town. I told you I was going to read Elea's stuff so that you'd know why I didn't respond to you if you replied quickly.
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Don't really see how I'm defending Inferno as I was accused. ''Soft defending'' him. Hows that? Telling that he has posted 4
similar posts somehow soft defending him? FirmTofu was really more suspicous then for me like it was to many others it seems.
I can't really say much about connection between Gossemerr. Sure we haven't spoken much about each other. I guess I can't say much else to that than unwanted accident.
And cause it is really between me and Gossemerr and I don't want to miss lynch on day 2
##Vote: Gossemerr
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@ gosse
sorry, when i saw the thing about having 2 jobs and goin to school full time i immediately classified it as a " dont blame me i cant help but post only a little" kind of post.
The first part is what made me more angry. seems blatantly bashing me, in a manner that i would say seems "frustrated". Discrediting me, without so much as even backing it up, is what i found rude. It seems to me as if it was in a manner to tell someone new to reading this, like velinath for example, that i am just a mad wishy washy player whose cases cant be taken seriously as they are founded in angry response to them even mentioning me.
Yeah, at this point its relatively obvious that i am the most emotional player here.
i drop my day 1 suspicions quickly as they are founded on early lurking and suspicious first posts. They are easily clarified, by just one post, and the main idea was to try to have everyone posting.
I didnt think he was sooo suspicious, i just wanted him to post to defend himself.
at least if you're gonna make points, back them up so i can at least defend against it or reference it while i attempt to keep a cool head, instead of stating something like its fact and leaving me to speculate on why you would post something like that in a manner that seemed rude.
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Im going to sleep, hopefully will come back with a cool head and a red name on the night post.
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Yeah I'm going to have to switch to Ele too, so we have a chance at getting a successful lynch off. Still find Goss a bit suspicious, but at least he has these 2 qualities: Provided a unique case, and defended himself when accused. Also lurkers that drift into the late game are way more hurtful to town than lurkers right now, as late game town can start focusing, getting some major cases down, and getting the DT involved.
##Unvote: Gossemerr
##Vote: Eleanthas
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