TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia

On March 10 2012 02:52 rgTheSchworz wrote:


So scum have 3 special powers each night, without any restrictions.These powers do not die with the PR, such as the framer or Rb er.
Woot?
Is this even balanced?

On March 12 2012 02:01 layabout wrote:

The steps to overcoming the belief that town players will do what is best for town
1. Click on this link
2. Scroll down
3. When you reach the playerlist click on Toadesstern and rgtheschworz
4. Read through both fliters, paying particular attention to the numerous lies both of them make
5. Discover that townies lie, play anti-town and play illlogically
6. Apologise to layabout

Jitsu, being able to guess whether or not a player is town or scum is quite difficult even if players are all acting sensibly. You have to learn to deal with the additional complexity introduced by players playing poorly, illogically or even against their own win condition.

On March 11 2012 23:44 layabout wrote:
1. Publicly announcing who you are in PM contact with:
There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this.

2. I like butter

3. Obligatory MS-Paint:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 12 2012 04:06 layabout wrote:

hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already.

wait a minute

vote mattchew

unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy

On March 14 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote:
Oh and if it goes that way and we don't both die Prpz I have no problem being lynched. A 1 for 1 trade is worth it. Always.

On March 14 2012 07:14 prplhz wrote:
Jackal58 you fucking shoot tonight if you're actually town.

On March 14 2012 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The best thing for Jackal to do is not shoot at all

On March 14 2012 21:57 Palmar wrote:
Cleaning out trash, thanks Caller.

I'll just confirm right now that I asked him to kill node. The reason is well...

Node's last game as scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=53526
This game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316574&user=53526

He has not attempted to play the game at all, it's really annoying to play with people who don't even try (rgTS I hate you), and of the shitty lurkers inhabiting this game Node seems to me like he has the highest chance of flipping scum. In addition I feel much safer with me controlling Caller's bullet and using it to clean out trash, than having him decide his own targets. Me and VE discussed Caller's alignment at length, and while we disagreed, I'm still not completely comfortable with letting caller do whatever he wants.

Looking forward to this flip. If we hit scum we are in such a good position.

On March 14 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote:
Why would mafia not shoot anyone but VE tonight?

On March 14 2012 22:15 Palmar wrote:
He has also just come off a game where he actively tried to lose the game for town as town (see resistance). I agree that he's a good target anyway though.

So do you think Caller is town? In addition, I'm thinking of killing you Deconduo, what do you have to say about that?

On March 14 2012 22:23 Palmar wrote:


I think you're scum. Last time you were terribly wrong it was because you were scum, now you supported the whole "Jackal should not shoot" movement, while it's obviously the best thing he can do, given both his own statements about his expectations towards the game, and the fact that he was very close to being lynched last night that resulted in a no-lynch which will ensure he'll be controversial throughout the game.

On March 14 2012 22:59 Palmar wrote:
Jackal this is boring why don't you answer my question rather than some unimportant shit asked by some unimportant person?

On March 15 2012 07:33 Kurumi wrote:
You dreamt about a mysterious figure watching people pass by during the day. You couldn't recognize their sex. When the night came, the person you saw before was busy searching for something. Suddenly, you were reading a book in your own bed with "Secrets are being unveiled" title. As soon as you read the title the entire scene disappeared. You were once again on a pitch black street and couldn't find the man or woman working secretly here before. A while passed with you standing just right in the middle of the street. You were sure it's not it wasn't the 21st century. While your thoughts were troubling you, an angry man showed up in front of you out of nowhere, saying:
- You have been warned before about violating our privacy!
After that, you regained your consciousness.

On March 15 2012 08:45 Jackal58 wrote:

Kurumi plays like this as scum and as town. That said I don't believe his role at all. It's not a role. It's gobbledegook wrapped inside a pita with nonsense sauce on it.
I have grown to enjoy the absolutely nonsensical approach Kurumi brings to the table in these games but that role PM is not a role PM.
Unless he has more to reveal about his role I don't buy it.


Decon where the hell are you?

On March 15 2012 16:19 Katina wrote:
We should leave kurumi alone for now and focus on better lynch targets. I feel in someway he thinks he was being useful to the town. his actions through the game have been congruent with everything he has said. Im not completely sold on him yet, hes worht keeping an eye on for now.
As for players like mattchew and Doctor H, they are better candidates for a lynch.

Mattchew: Is scummy to me, he has been from the start. He overuses animations, and he asks a lot of questions without providing his own answers. He hasn't contributed much to the town and is pretty much useless. Not to mention his mass amount of pointless one-liners.

DoctorHelvetica: He has been very inconsistent this game and that isnt helping the town. There has been a lot of fingering pointing without follow up that is just causing confusion. His lack of focus makes me wonder what's on his agenda because its not on the town.

My rising suspicion right now is on Deconduo. I have looked over his filter and noticed that he doesn't contribute much of anything either. A majority of his posts are short and just basically agreeing with whoever he is quoting. He hides and doesn't come out until someone mentions him.


He promised to step up his game and hasn't delivered.

On March 15 2012 20:55 Palmar wrote:
yes.

Game is complicated because I wasn't around and reading in the beginning, and no one is making enough sense for me to sheep them.

On March 15 2012 21:08 Jackal58 wrote:

You think scum have a day vig?

On March 15 2012 21:51 Palmar wrote:
probably not going to flip scum though.

he's just bleurgh

On March 15 2012 22:56 prplhz wrote:
Hey Caller, Kurumi has like 10 votes right now. Why do you suddenly want to switch to Palmar when you also think that Kurumi is scum?

Like, it's not going to happen. Palmar is not going to get lynched today and you should really expend your energy on something else.

On March 15 2012 23:04 Palmar wrote:
it's just another lynch, no reason to keep that fucker alive, he'll be dead at dusk.

On March 16 2012 01:59 Kurumi wrote:

SOME information. That means one thing, two things, three things maybe not the exact setup! (unless You're scum and know more than me, of course, then please go ahead and tell us Your secrets.)

You would have lynched me Day 1 if I said "Guys stop voting Jackal, I know there's Dreamflower present in the game and I trust him". Your cases are laughable and make no sense.

I did everything I could to defend Jackal from getting lynched. It's not the first I've defended someone hard D1. My defence of Schworz was the same thing, I was 3rd party back then, but I would've done that no matter what. Guess what happened after my death? Lynching him decided the game.

I wanted to look as traitor D1 to deny Mafia their guess on gaining 0.5KP. You picked up on this, but did nothing till Day 2. It makes no sense. It's obvious this lynch is scum driven. It's obvious they've tried to recruit me and it failed, so they now want to get a free lynch. I was hinting it was a plan.

My role is weird. I know that. Curu himself said that the Dreamflower role is weird but remember: role is not equal to alignment! I wanted to play without lying. Figures, it would have been better if I claimed Detective and said I had a Town check on Jackal, right?

My lynch is pathetic. There's only Jackal and Katina semi-defending me. Don't You think it's weird? Doesn't it ring some bells? I did not lie.
But I guess.. it probably doesn't matter.
Jackal, I hope Palmar isn't serious about this lynch thing...

When is it possible for Mafia to use Hide Flip mechanic? Can they sacrifice their KP in advance to hide lynch flip?(Like, they use it on D2 and lose KP on N2?)
Please answer no to the second one. If they hide this flip they won not only this cycle, but another one too.

On March 16 2012 04:06 Mattchew wrote:
it has been brought to my attention that kurumi doesn't speak or type well enough in english to fake that dream. its too bold of him

##unvote

People whole look really bad to me
Abenson, Bill Murray, Curu, Sentinal, All are lurking and scummy

EchelonTee, Gumshoe, Wiggles, Jaybrundage are also lurking but are slightly less scummy

On March 17 2012 05:33 prplhz wrote:
@deconduo When and why did you choose Liquid`Sheth and Mr. Wiggles?

On March 17 2012 07:08 prplhz wrote:

Did you talk to them about anything?

The Liquid`Sheth reason is blatantly bad, I don't like that. He told us that he was going to be a non factor for quite some time because of some upcoming StarCraft 2 tournament so it seems like a pretty bad idea to talk to him.

On March 17 2012 12:04 jaybrundage wrote:
What did you get for Palmar?

On March 17 2012 12:04 Bill Murray wrote:
confused by your spreadsheet

On March 17 2012 12:26 Caller wrote:
##Kill: Palmar

no need to thank me guys

On March 17 2012 12:36 Mattchew wrote:

cause scum needs to kill townies

On March 17 2012 12:41 Mattchew wrote:
no... i meant that caller is scum, and he needs to kill townies

On March 19 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm a bit surprised mafia have a dayvig tbh. I guess we should assume they might have other roles now.

On March 19 2012 12:28 EchelonTee wrote:
people should finish claiming who they pm'd and why by tonight, imo

On March 19 2012 13:18 EchelonTee wrote:

can you check pm of dead people? also decon ur list has Node on the living portion

On March 20 2012 05:15 prplhz wrote:
@deconduo Can you give us all of your PMs with Mr. Wiggles?

Mr. Wiggles chose to PM nobody.
EchelonTee , Palmar, deconduo, and layabout have chosen to PM Mr. Wiggles.

Arsonist: Each night sets a prime, following that night can trigger prime at any time.

On March 20 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
Bill Murray is checked town by Palmar (OMG NEW INFO) he told this to me before his death post

Katina chose to PM nobody
prplhz has chosen to PM Katina

On March 20 2012 21:30 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm, the question then is are we going to trust Mattchew.

On March 20 2012 22:12 Mattchew wrote:
katina PM'd me btw

On March 20 2012 22:13 Mattchew wrote:
decon I would like to know your reasoning behind checking katina, were you not allowed to check dead people? because a scum's masons are much more valuable then a townies

On March 20 2012 23:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
School is blocking the last three pages of this thread, we have a retarded-ass filter.

Back in 4 hours to see what's up.

On March 24 2012 00:11 layabout wrote:
This seems to be very reliant on Deconduo.

Why do we think he is town again?

On March 25 2012 10:16 Curu wrote:
Well looks like it's Wiggles lynch or no lynch.

Dr. Helvetica chose to PM VisceraEyes.

On March 26 2012 12:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I PM'd Protactinium about it because if that is the information you received then it was a major mistake on his part of keeping track of actions.

made a mistake on that, sorry.

Dr. H chose to PM both Kurumi and VE

On March 28 2012 04:32 Bill Murray wrote:
I already tried to lynch DoctorH
Apparently people weren't satisfied with that

I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me
If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me

My vote as of right now is going onto Katina
She just contradicted herself - twice

1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye

2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so:




and then attacks dr.h?
I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon
If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point...

if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum
he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch
##vote: katina