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Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post....
On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward
Because it's just so damn bad <3
## Vote Mattchew
I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro.
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On March 12 2012 10:34 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 23:44 layabout wrote:1. Publicly announcing who you are in PM contact with: There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this. 2. I like butter 3. Obligatory MS-Paint: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 04:06 layabout wrote:On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote:
so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town?
What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them?
hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already. wait a minute On November 30 2011 07:47 Mattchew wrote:
Layabout, I am not sure if you are town or scum, either way you are retarded and I hope to god that someone off's you quickly and you ragequit the mafia forum and I never have to read a post by you again.
vote mattchew unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy MS Paint trolling post coupled with dragging a vendetta from a previous game in. I really don't like the way you are playing right now.
Oh, sorry. You haven't played with Layabout, we all just ignore what he says.
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On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote:
Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad)
I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made.
I think it's interesting that you admit to being a bad player especially since I searched your name and found that you have played and hosted in multiple games. You are counting Caller out as scum because he was the first to make a case? Well if I would have known that it's that easy to get off your radar I would have done that first. In BC's game Liquid`Sheth was the first to make a case and he ended up being scum.
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On March 13 2012 11:00 Node wrote:
I buy Jackal's roleclaim. I don't think it's too far-fetched to have a suicidal vigi in a normal game, and it supports the statement in the day 1 post that this game is themed around "choices". (that is to say, the choices we make have especially harsh consequences. like death.) It's also a role that makes sense in the context of a game where it's possible for the mafia to hide the alignment flip. More importantly, it's an easily verifiable claim -- were I mafia, it's a claim I sure as hell wouldn't make. You can say that's just WIFOM, but the point stands that it's hella easy for us to see whether or not Jackal is being truthful.
This is a bunch of blah blah for a small point. I don't really see much motivation for this post other than trying to look useful to the town. In reality it really doesn't contribute anything to the discussion other than more to read. From the way he is talking about roles it appears he has something hide or knows something about the game. He's not bringing anything new to the thread in any of his posts.
On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote:
Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me.
That's pretty ironic because his vote is just as empty as Sheth's. Node clearly does not care about the lynch because there wasn't any follow up or any effort to convince anyone else. It's just like his previous post where he wants to kill Jackal. Sure he speaks his thoughts but he isn't convincing anyone of anything he says. His apathy about the town is very noticeable.
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VE, Hi! So, I took a look at your filter and noticed that a majority of your posts came recently during the night. How strange for VE to be so active during the night but when it comes to lynchy time, you bat your eyelashes, lift your skirt up and run off with a nice man.
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On March 14 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Awww, you interrupted your scummy lurking just for me Katina? Really, you shouldn't have.
It's true, I made it no secret that I was lurking D1. It's not strange at all if you actually read my posts. Care to explain your complete absence from the thread?
<3 I haven't technically been absent. I have been reading through everything and you my dear sir looked worthy enough to say something to. Cool story, bro. You never mentioned me until I called you out. Was I bringing some unwanted attention towards you that made you feel the need to try and flip it back onto me?
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On March 14 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 02:44 Katina wrote:On March 14 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Awww, you interrupted your scummy lurking just for me Katina? Really, you shouldn't have.
It's true, I made it no secret that I was lurking D1. It's not strange at all if you actually read my posts. Care to explain your complete absence from the thread? <3 I haven't technically been absent. I have been reading through everything and you my dear sir looked worthy enough to say something to. Cool story, bro. You never mentioned me until I called you out. Was I bringing some unwanted attention towards you that made you feel the need to try and flip it back onto me? Yes, you can tell by my explosion in activity that I'm scared of "attention" madame. Pull the other one. I was referring to your absence during the very lynch you accused me of avoiding. Where were you during that time? You realize we no-lynched, correct?
Yep, I'm aware there was a no-lynch. I wasn't here (obviously) but apparenlty half the town wasn't here either. It's more odd for you to be gone during a lynch, considering your usual activity level.
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On March 14 2012 02:55 Mattchew wrote:i found katina ![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8938/photo82c.jpg)
I love you <3 If only you weren't mafia.
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On March 14 2012 09:00 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad)
I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made. Exhibit A of how to join a bandwagon with no reasoning, yet somehow take up 2 paragraphs. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 10:02 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 09:57 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Change of heart, Node? I'm thinking it over. Didn't want it to become a majority while I was unsure. Bigger post coming. Reeks of uncertainty, reluctance to commit. says bigger post coming with no follow up. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me. Highly ironic post, not even attempting to make sense. I believe someone else also pointed out how bad this post is. Does anyone actually think that Node is town?
Thank you! I'm glad someone is seeing this too. I made a smiliar case agaisnt Node before the end of day one but people came and spammed it away facepalm. Node is definitely scummy and should be shot immediately.
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I'm voting Node. The reasons are pretty obvious.
A. Empty vote on Sheth with no follow up
B. Doesn't bring anything new or useful to the thread
I'm going to miss VisceraEyes 
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Have you guys noticed that Node has appeared to have fallen off the face of the earth? He hasn't responded to any of the cases that have been made against him. He comes in, points an empty finger at someone, then gone again. Take a look at his filter, don't worry it's not a long read so it won't take up much of your time. I would like to see him make a case in his defense or any case really....
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Ah, completely missed that post.
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On March 12 2012 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 15:03 Bill Murray wrote:
@doctorh, what are the reasons you like from curu? I'm catching up, and I value your opinion. That is also why I am sort of sheeping you. You saw what I saw out of gumshoe, switched when that wagon wasn't going anywhere for some reason, and probably found a good one here.
I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid.
tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum Caller came in trolling then made his case when there was light pressure and it seems forced. I'm not totally sold on him at the moment because I feel like this is pretty much in line with the way he always acts but Curu does make a better case. I still think Caller is a better lynch than Jackal but I'm not confident enough to push it. Caller's case is based on, from what I can tell, misunderstanding of jackals post and then overstating the significance of it. Curu has a meta read that is at least accurate. Jaybrundage is one of those players who seems to me to be participating only in the surface discussion and making little effort to figure out what peoples motives are or hunt scum. His last few posts speak for themselves really. His confidence is a little bit out of place for a newer scum player though. I'm torn between Caller and jaybrundage right now. I'd be on prplhz in an instant if his logic wasn't equally terrible last time I played with him. I'm waiting for Pandain to come into play, he's awful so I'll know right away if he's scum or not.
So here Doctor H makes a post about Caller’s trolling in the beginning. Then goes to say how Caller is a better lynch candidate than Jackal which is fine but later he posts the following.
On March 12 2012 08:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:VE and Pandain have both been pretty inactive which is unusual. I don't buy into the case against Jackal to be honest, it seems forced as hell. Show nested quote +he instead first brings up a list of random people that he thinks would be lynchable in my shitty circumstance He was clearly trying to demonstrate how your logic was flawed and selective, which to be honest was right on point. I'd down with lynching Caller to be honest. This "haha i was fucking with you all along to see how you'd all react!" thing reeks of bullshit to the core. The case on Jackal is forced, he's just playing disruptively.
Now he is onboard with the Caller lynch.
On March 13 2012 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How does Caller thinking a scum would defend another scum make him scum? Maybe I'm not following your logic.
Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran.
We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed.
Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque.
Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie.
Take a look at the last sentence, it made me eyebrow raise. He finishes this post off with the Caller Vs. VE situation. He refers to it is as a townie vs. townie when before he was a supporter of Caller’s lynch and pointing out his trolling. There appears to be a change of heart here that was not mentioned and this sentenced was buried down in last line. I took a look at Doctor H’s filter and noticed something else. He makes a habit of pointing numerous fingers at other people in his cases.The contexts of his posts are all over the place. His posting throughout the game has been inconsistent and that is scummy. He tries to divert the attention onto everyone else when the attention should be on him.
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On March 15 2012 03:59 jaybrundage wrote:I would like to lynch Kurumi or KatinaKurumi for what i think could be a scum slip. As prplhz has pointed out his Rattata reference can be seen as mafia attracting the tratior or the tratior trying to call out mafia. I'm not sure why this has been glossed over quite so easily. Tratior has to be joined with the mafia and the sooner the better a free kill point for them. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote:
My Rattata and I need friends.
I am voting for the person who put the least effort into voting Jackal and this is Node. It's D1 and I don't want to lose him. We can verify his claim at any time.
Also
Jackal's Town: He gets roleblocked. Mafia loses 0.5KP every Night.
Jackal's Scum: Thanks to basic math we might work out that he is lying about roleblocks.
He has been posting in polish and generally not really contributing. He puts a vote on node because he has put in much effort. But besides that makes little contributions the the thread. Then votes for Caller because he he say's he doesn't think we will see the flip. Is he planning to hide it as scum. Or does he think that Caller is bullshitting about the whole thing which seems unlikely and dumb. Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post.... On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward Because it's just so damn bad <3 ## Vote MattchewI hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro. Regarding Katina her first post she jumps on Mattchew. She makes a case and points fingers simply because she wants to "fit in." So she makes a bad case on Matt with little to no reasoning saying his posts was just bad? Doesn't put any effort in it. She calls out people for posting with no content, however she has no content of her own. This play style is very similar to how she played in BCAC. She constantly called out people with out posting any thing of her own. She then calls out Node calling him on lack of content and flip flopping. Well this post has some merit. and Node has potential as red. I can totally see Katina pushing a teammate that has no content. Very similar to how she pushed her scum buddy sheth last game Also in BCAC.Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post.... On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward Because it's just so damn bad <3 ## Vote MattchewI hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro. She also tried to discredit a now confirmed townie VE Overall I would like to lynch either one of them. Any thoughts questions Oh and Palmar I would like you to PM me and roleclaim to me please.
First off, I'm not mafia. Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not the first one to point fingers at others, have you not been here? Unlike others, I'm pointing because I have a reason, and the suspicion for it and that reason is to try and find scum. I have been reading the posts and trying to figure out who might be mafia just like the rest of the town. Of course VE is confirmed, he's dead.... Stop wasting time with me and go after the real scum.
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It's possible that he might be the traitor. It's hard to tell with Kurumi. He could be faking as well for all we know to try and confuse the mafia. I would keep an eye on him and wait to see what happens.
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I still think Mattchew is mafia.
1. He asks a lot of questions and doesn't do much else
2. He uses a lot of animations which makes it seems like an attempt to contribute when it's really not
Wherebugsgo posted a lot of pictures and gifs in storm mafia and he was mafia that game.
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On March 15 2012 09:29 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 09:16 Katina wrote:
I still think Mattchew is mafia.
1. He asks a lot of questions and doesn't do much else
2. He uses a lot of animations which makes it seems like an attempt to contribute when it's really not
Wherebugsgo posted a lot of pictures and gifs in storm mafia and he was mafia that game. WBG was posting gifs because he thought that it would be funny. I am fairly sure that Mattchew is not posting animations to make himself look like he is contributing.
maybe, but WBG has never been known to do that to that extent in the past. Posting pictures and gif's constantly like that is a good way to make it appear like you care about the game without having to type much of anything. What better way to hide as mafia than to not have to say anything? When you combine this idea with the fact that Mattchew has been rather apathetic and not really speaking his mind it should be clear that he's not concerned the town.
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We should leave kurumi alone for now and focus on better lynch targets. I feel in someway he thinks he was being useful to the town. his actions through the game have been congruent with everything he has said. Im not completely sold on him yet, hes worht keeping an eye on for now.
As for players like mattchew and Doctor H, they are better candidates for a lynch.
Mattchew: Is scummy to me, he has been from the start. He overuses animations, and he asks a lot of questions without providing his own answers. He hasn't contributed much to the town and is pretty much useless. Not to mention his mass amount of pointless one-liners.
DoctorHelvetica: He has been very inconsistent this game and that isnt helping the town. There has been a lot of fingering pointing without follow up that is just causing confusion. His lack of focus makes me wonder what's on his agenda because its not on the town.
My rising suspicion right now is on Deconduo. I have looked over his filter and noticed that he doesn't contribute much of anything either. A majority of his posts are short and just basically agreeing with whoever he is quoting. He hides and doesn't come out until someone mentions him.
On March 14 2012 22:19 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 22:15 Palmar wrote:
He has also just come off a game where he actively tried to lose the game for town as town (see resistance). I agree that he's a good target anyway though.
So do you think Caller is town? In addition, I'm thinking of killing you Deconduo, what do you have to say about that? If you are thinking of killing me because you think I'm scum then you're wrong. If its because I've been inactive then fair enough. I would be pushing for my lynch too. I'm stepping up my game though.
He promised to step up his game and hasn't delivered.
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On March 16 2012 02:27 layabout wrote:
Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia?
Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. His agenda from the start was purely in the town's interest. His posting through the game has also been genuine, especially around the time when he claimed his role.
The fact that Kurumi is around defending himself and trying to help should be an indicator that he has the town's interest at heart. Look at how many people have said DrH is mafia. All he ever replies with is one liners and the occasional retard insult. We are wasting our time with him when there are other people that need to be heavily pressured.
##Vote DoctorHelvetica
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On March 16 2012 03:30 Jitsu wrote:Thank you LayAbout. The reason I didn't go beyond the most recent game, however, is because people might tend to change styles of play over long periods of time. I think if you go back to my first game (Election Mafia, which happened right before Responsability) you would see a shift in my game from then to now. I don't like to think that simply because someone replaced halfway into a game makes them a better or worse player. Palmar came in this game himself, and is doing things that I can recognize as Town Palmar. Being aggressive, putting reads out there, gaining massive thread presense and controlling the mood. Kurumi subbed into Storm and was much more productive that game as a town player then this game as a player in general. That is why I look at his overall posting history in this game, and what it looks to accomplish, and his overall posting history to last game, and what THAT was working to accomplish (Along with his actual alignment) and compare them. I figured since what I was doing before wasn't working, I might as well try something new and see how it works out, right? Do you firmly believe Kurumi ISN'T Mafia? Like, are you near deadset on him flipping town?
I am pretty certain he will flip town
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On March 16 2012 12:22 Palmar wrote:
Cool, now I'm like triple confirmed town.
No you're not. You shot Jackal.
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On March 16 2012 12:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 12:24 Katina wrote:On March 16 2012 12:22 Palmar wrote:
Cool, now I'm like triple confirmed town. No you're not. You shot Jackal. Don't forget killing node. That just makes me even more confirmed.
Node was town. Hey guys I know what happened to BM he killed Palmar and took over his computer.
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On March 16 2012 12:29 Curu wrote:Palmar is pretty much confirmed Town. Katina is here at deadline, doesn't comment on Kurumi case, carefully avoids Kurumi case, pops in to smear Palmar. Someone shoot her tonight. + Show Spoiler [Skype Log with Palmar] +[3/14/2012 10:57:28 AM] Palmar: The information I have is that there is indeed a dreamflower role present in the game
[3/14/2012 10:57:39 AM] Palmar: like there is a role who knows random shit about the setup
[3/14/2012 10:58:16 AM] Palmar: so, mafia dreamflower is quite unlikely
[3/14/2012 10:58:19 AM] Palmar: and we'll make him shoot anyway
[3/14/2012 10:59:23 AM] Charles Suo: that's
[3/14/2012 10:59:30 AM] Charles Suo: pretty sketchy
[3/14/2012 10:59:36 AM] Palmar: yes
[3/14/2012 10:59:40 AM] Charles Suo: OP says Mafia has knowledge
[3/14/2012 10:59:42 AM] Charles Suo: of the setup
[3/14/2012 10:59:43 AM] Palmar: but really dangerous to tie
[3/14/2012 10:59:45 AM] Palmar: oh
[3/14/2012 10:59:49 AM] Charles Suo: a role that has knowledge of the setup
[3/14/2012 10:59:52 AM] Charles Suo: seems really far fetched
[3/14/2012 11:00:15 AM] Charles Suo: The mafia will be given some information some of the blue roles that are in the game, but will not be told how many exist.
[3/14/2012 11:00:31 AM] Palmar: hmm
[3/14/2012 11:00:40 AM] Palmar: Well the role name fits and everything
[3/14/2012 11:00:48 AM] Palmar: I'm not going to give you too much information until I know better
[3/14/2012 11:00:50 AM] Palmar: the main thing is that
[3/14/2012 11:00:54 AM] Palmar: if jackal flips scum
[3/14/2012 11:00:56 AM] Palmar: which he has to
[3/14/2012 11:01:02 AM] Palmar: as we make him shoot tonight.
[3/14/2012 11:01:12 AM] Palmar: that other guy is fucked too
[3/14/2012 11:01:15 AM] Charles Suo: your mystery informant could be scum trying to gain Town cred as well
[3/14/2012 11:01:22 AM] Palmar: clearly
[3/14/2012 11:01:45 AM] Palmar: tbf, my mystery informant is actually in the bottom 8 of my scum -> town list
[3/14/2012 11:01:48 AM] Palmar: ie, he looks bad
[3/14/2012 11:02:14 AM] Charles Suo: why don't we lynch him instead
[3/14/2012 11:02:25 AM] Charles Suo: there has never been a game where a Townie has a role that gives you info ont he setup
[3/14/2012 11:02:35 AM] Charles Suo: and if he had that role why not tell the whole thread
[3/14/2012 11:02:45 AM] Charles Suo: it already states in OP Mafia knows the roles
[3/14/2012 11:03:43 AM] Palmar: I need to make the decision
[3/14/2012 11:04:03 AM] Palmar: it's just too dumb
[3/14/2012 11:04:05 AM] Palmar: to be scum
[3/14/2012 11:04:14 AM] Palmar: I'm not 100% certain
[3/14/2012 11:04:20 AM] Palmar: I want to see node flip
[3/14/2012 11:04:26 AM] Palmar: that's the big questionmark
[3/14/2012 11:04:36 AM] Palmar: so much clears up if he's scum.
[3/14/2012 11:06:44 AM] Palmar: it seems very weird you didn't mason people right away
[3/14/2012 11:06:48 AM] Palmar: that's what I'd have done
[3/14/2012 11:54:59 AM] Charles Suo: I only talk to Mig in PM games anyways
[3/14/2012 11:55:09 AM] Charles Suo: seems very weird that you didn't realize a setup info role is pretty damn sketchy
[3/14/2012 11:55:45 AM] Palmar: I don't read ops
[3/14/2012 12:00:03 PM] Charles Suo: yeah the absurdity of you coming up with something like that just to convince me about Jackal is a bit meh too
[6:32:16 PM] Charles Suo: You should go vote Kurumi
[6:32:37 PM] Palmar: I will I'm a bit perplexed that Palmar didn't see right away that Kurumi was scum from the information but he has 0 reason to out Kurumi like that if they are both scum. He is pretty much confirmed Town.
I commented plenty on the Kurumi case. I spent multiple posts defending him. I just got home.
Letting Palmar run around with his big ego is not helping the town.
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On March 17 2012 02:12 sandroba wrote:
11 is the min number to lynch. What do you think is more likely matchew, that scum volunteerly sacrificed kurumi or that there is no scum on that list?
Though there was only 11 votes on Kurumi, the rest of the votes were spread out. If you read through day 2, there wasn't an organized push to take the attention off of Kurumi. Everybody (myself included) who didn't think Kurumi was mafia was going after different people (DrH, BM, Palmar, etc). So it's very unlikely the mafia were trying to save Kurumi.
I did vote for him only because I was under the impression that he was just being a jub jub and thinking he was helping the town. I didn't think he was the most optimal lynch that day which is why I tried to put attention onto DrH. I admit to defending Kurumi and trying to put pressure elsewhere but at least I explained what I was doing and I tried to do it.
That's a hell of a lot more than anyone else did. Look at the other people who didn't vote for Kurumi:
EchelonTee never pushed BM or really defended Kurumi.
BM and gumshoe were mia.
Jackal was derping cause he was already going to die.
schworz is getting replaced.
gumshoe wasn't here either.
Caller thought Kurumi was mafia but for some reason was voting for Palmar.
prphlz mistyped his vote? but he still seemed okay with the Kurumi lynch.
I explained what I was doing and why I thought Kurumi was not the best lynch and I was the only one. Going after me cause I tried to get people off of Kurumi is the silliest thing considering that NOBODY ELSE even tried. If you really think the mafia were not voting for Kurumi, you should be looking at the people who were mia during the second half of the day (BM, gumshoe) or the people who hardly talked about it at all (EchelonTee) or the people who should have been voting for Kurumi but weren't (Caller, prplhz).
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Caller has shot two townies.... Sigh. So either...
1. Mafia
2. Mafia
or
3. Retarded
If the third then retardation like that should be killed.
##Vote Caller
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The day will be ending soon, I'm posting now because I won't be around when day ends. Caller = dead. I'm still iffy about Mattchew but I would rather kill DrH or BM at the moment. BM hasn't been around at all for a majority of the game and that is not like him at all. When he is town he always causes a big ruckus. DrH is not showing much of an effort, in his posts he is basically calling people retards. He doesn't appear to care about the town.
For those who still think I'm suspicious (Jaybrundage Jitsu, whoever else) I would like to reiterate, I'm not mafia. I have explained my reasoning for defending Kurumi, and the others who didn't vote for him have not. I made my thoughts known unlike the lurkers that are present this game. The entire basis for the arguments against me is that I defended Kurumi. People have clung onto that like a bug to a light bulb. There are so many others who have dirt on them and the fact that I'm a lynch target just because I defended Kurumi is not only ridiculous but all too easy.
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On March 20 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
people that didn't vote kurumi
Jackal58, Caller, EchelonTee, gumshoe, Bill Murray, Katina
Town, Scum, EchelonTee, Town, Bill Murray, Katina
Bill Murray is checked town by Palmar (OMG NEW INFO) he told this to me before his death post
EchelonTee has been nothing but towny in outside thread convo with me
Katina has supposedly known about a blue role and yet that player has not died.
All 3 remaining non-BM voters are very town to me
sandroba you should use your PM on me
If this is all true then it confirms my earlier suspicion that the mafia didn't try and save Kurumi. It seems more likely that a majority of the mafia was voting for Kurumi. gumshoe's death makes more sense now, the mafia want to put more pressure on the people who didn't vote for Kurumi. They are trying to make it seem that there was a fail attempt to save Kurumi when in reality there wasn't an attempt at all.
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On March 21 2012 01:38 Curu wrote:For Katina her posting has been obviously scummy. Hard defending Kurumi, posting irrelevant cases on Mattchew and Palmar (two people who are/were pretty much confirmed Town status). Very obviously not reading the thread, comes in trying to push Node when he is already dead. Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 02:45 Kurumi wrote:On March 14 2012 02:44 Katina wrote:On March 14 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Awww, you interrupted your scummy lurking just for me Katina? Really, you shouldn't have.
It's true, I made it no secret that I was lurking D1. It's not strange at all if you actually read my posts. Care to explain your complete absence from the thread? <3 I haven't technically been absent. I have been reading through everything and you my dear sir looked worthy enough to say something to. Cool story, bro. You never mentioned me until I called you out. Was I bringing some unwanted attention towards you that made you feel the need to try and flip it back onto me? Are You getting coached this game? If yes, penitenziagite! Burn the heretics! Kurumi is showing random fixation on Katina. The people Kurumi randomly decides to "FoS" are: Caller Katina Abenson While he seemed afraid to talk about anyone else. Smells like Mafia trying to avoid pissing off any Townies. Add on that Katina was the easy scummy target for a long time yet Wiggles hasn't even bothered to mention her. He wants to go after lurkers and randomly chooses Bill Murray when it was clear Katina is more scummy and has more people willing to lynch her. I strongly feel that Mr. Wiggles - Abenson - Katina are our remaining scumteam.
I already explained my actions regarding Kurumi. Several times. I thought his plan to fake being traitor is something that Kurumi the troll would do. I don't think anyone would disagree with me on that. Look through my previous posts where I explain my actions.
Just because I thought Kurumi was innocent does not mean I'm mafia. You are fixated on this notion.
Second, I never made a case against Palmar. I quoted some of the things he said and said he had a big ego. Where you are getting this from I have no idea.
Third, the case on Mattchew was not irrelevant. Especially day 1. Go read day 1 of TL Mafia L. You will notice Mattchew's posts in that game (he was blue) are vastly different from this game. That's why I wanted to kill him. I'm still suspicious of him, but I'm apparently the only one. I'd still rather kill DrH. Mattchew seems to be head of the town and in the loop but why he is still alive is a mystery.
Everyone's case against me boils down to I defended Kurumi and making random links between me and other people. This is a game of mafia. People like DrH are getting away with trolling and sheeping all game. And hardly anyone bats an eye.
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On March 21 2012 05:07 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey Katina good to see you pop up. The one thing your missing tho is that Doc. Was on all the right lynches and you weren't XD
He also pushed Kurumi. Which makes him less likely to be scum then you. Do you have any other scum candidates Katina besides Matt and Doc.
So DrH has voted for mafia and I haven't therefore I am mafia and he's in the clear? And lots of people pushed Kurumi, and if I remember correctly the Kurumi push was started by other people, DrH just picked up on it and ran with it. Based on numbers alone at least one mafia should have been pushing for Kurumi.
On March 21 2012 05:09 jaybrundage wrote:
Oh katina got a question for you. Out of Mr.Wiggles or Abenson who do you want to vote for. Please answer soon.
Instinct says Abenson first, Wiggles later. I just looked through Wiggles filter and in all honesty both should die. Along with DrH.
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On March 22 2012 08:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Not true Matt layabout was FOSing me and wanted to lynch me. I never said he was tunneling.
goi
I just think what happened is that me being confident in my reads rubbed you the wrong way. Because of that you are trying to get me out of the game because you didn't like my cockiness? I don't usually play this aggressively. However nothing wrong with a play style switch.
I disagree with you. I think I have been playing very well this game. I pushed Kurumi and I also think Katina will flip red as well.
Funny Doc doesn't think I can prove that I'm not scum. Must be scum then. Doc I didn't know you played mafia jubjub style XD
You know, Jay you are going to look really bad when I flip town. You obviously don't have the ability to read any of my posts defending myself. If I die then don't be surprised when everyone will be looking to lynch you right behind me. Once again, try to read I'M NOT MAFIA. I don't think you're mafia at the moment but me dying is not going to help narrow it down much farther.
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DoctorHelvetica is mafia
This is because throughout the game he has been inconsistent in his posting.He doesn't seem to have a focus at all. DrH has done a massive amount of finger pointing. His posts consist of spamming and calling people retards.
DrH is inconsistent and pointing fingers a lot. Take a look at this post:
On March 12 2012 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Caller is trolling, mafia shouldn't be that scared of me to push me day 1 for no reason because I often back off my correct reads if I get distracted.
It's up to an individuals discretion whether or not they share who they are PMing with, policy lynching someone for not doing it is stupid. Also, town circles could be set up so that somebody can claim DT to someone they confirm and then use that person to broadcast their reads, or a tracker/watcher/etc. That can be useful. In that case the last thing you want is everyone saying who they are with.
Jackal58 is being a bit silly with what Wiggles and people like that are saying. His point is that scum know who town is and because of that they can cut down any circles that arise that they aren't directly involved in themselves. Especially it would be dangerous for someone to say "i'm pming with A B C and D" and then later come out and say "I'm PMing the DT and..." when say, B and C are dead or something. It's up to an individual to share their PM targets or not.
Gumshoe is posting a lot and very focused on town circles and such. For that reason, I'm voting for him. He has 2 pages of filter all completely disconnected from finding scum. The way you're probing Caller looks as though it would be helpful, but doesn't actually lead to anything. It's wishy washy, I feel like it's the kind of thing that scum would feel they can't ignore but don't want to commit to Caller if he's town. That'll satisfy me for now, it's pretty likely I'll come up with something better or that Gumshoe will just make himself look worse
The last paragraph is important here. He says gumshow is suspicious and is going to vote for him. Yet 8 hours later he makes this post:
On March 12 2012 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 15:03 Bill Murray wrote:
@doctorh, what are the reasons you like from curu? I'm catching up, and I value your opinion. That is also why I am sort of sheeping you. You saw what I saw out of gumshoe, switched when that wagon wasn't going anywhere for some reason, and probably found a good one here.
I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid.
tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum Caller came in trolling then made his case when there was light pressure and it seems forced. I'm not totally sold on him at the moment because I feel like this is pretty much in line with the way he always acts but Curu does make a better case. I still think Caller is a better lynch than Jackal but I'm not confident enough to push it. Caller's case is based on, from what I can tell, misunderstanding of jackals post and then overstating the significance of it. Curu has a meta read that is at least accurate. Jaybrundage is one of those players who seems to me to be participating only in the surface discussion and making little effort to figure out what peoples motives are or hunt scum. His last few posts speak for themselves really. His confidence is a little bit out of place for a newer scum player though. I'm torn between Caller and jaybrundage right now. I'd be on prplhz in an instant if his logic wasn't equally terrible last time I played with him. I'm waiting for Pandain to come into play, he's awful so I'll know right away if he's scum or not.
And now his focused has shifted to Caller and jaybrundage. And this is where his focused stayed for all of another 12 hours until he posts this:
On March 13 2012 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How does Caller thinking a scum would defend another scum make him scum? Maybe I'm not following your logic.
Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran.
We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed.
Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque.
Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie.
And now he's dealing with Jackal and Wiggles and Jitsu.
What is interesting is how quickly DrH jumps from one case to the next. He accuses and votes for gumshoe, yet never brings up the case again except where he says he's changing his vote. He moves his vote to Caller at one point before finalizing on Jitsu.
Part of the problem here is that he never follows up on his reads. From here on out all he has are one liners and random posts, there is nothing more about his reads until he makes the following post:
On March 14 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Node is suspicious. I'm leaning toward Node or Caller on day 2. I know Caller is a ballsy player but he comes off as way too phony. He makes a fake case on me then ditches it for a bad case on Jackal then goes back to attacking me? He's just playing disruptively.
Node's vote switch to Sheth is a joke. Not only was Jackal not gonna get lynched but I refuse to believe by the way he was posting that he put so little thought into the game as to waste a vote on somebody completely random (the only one that actually had excusable inactivity) like Sheth.
This post came near the end of night 1 as well. Suddenly there is no more attention on Jitsu. He moves away from it just like he did with gumshoe. He makes the occasional one liner about him being mafia, but never pushes his case ever again.
And on Day 2 he makes this post
On March 15 2012 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Kurumi is indefenseable at this point.
jaybrundage, you play like scummy shit all game then start demanding role claims from everyone. Stop doing that. If you're town, it's stupid and unhelpful.
With Kurumi gone, we need to shoot prplhz tonight or lynch him tomorrow. He's been on Jackal and didn't react to Jackal's claim but despite this obvious fakery from Kurumi, he chooses to ignore it then go after me. He is aggressive then immediately backs off and acts like he was just messin around. What a joke.
Curu straight up lies about things I say, he at least has the good sense to vote for Kurumi.
I'm not pushing Caller anymore, his claim seems to be legit and like I said I lost some confidence in him as the day went on and moved toward Jitsu (who is also misrepresenting me). It isn't scummy for a player to change their mind and it isn't my priority to tell the town about every change of thought or thing I think, otherwise I'd end up spamming the thread. If you're that interested in my thought process, just PM me, I'm not going to clutter the thread with that shit.
kurumi, prplhz, curu that's my best guess. Abenson, rgTheSchworz, Sentinel, probably scum or traitor between those 3. Dunno about Palmar. His play seems pro-town but I know he's good. If he's town this game is probably in the bag, if it's scum it's over since it seems a town circle has been built around him.
Nobody has PM'd me in this game yet, which surprises me a little.
and Jitsu isn't even on his mafia list. Furthermore he only lists Curu as scum because Curu was being a JubJub. DrH should know better than most that idiocy =/= Mafia. Yet he puts Curu on his mafia list, but removes him later on the account that Curu started making more sense.
DrH is known to second guess himself more than anyone else. He even admits to it. The problem is is that he is not second guessing himself. He makes a case against someone, then immediately drops it and never returns to it. He simply has no focus. His agenda is in correspondence with a mafia. He accuses lots of people to insinuate the doubt. He tries to make everyone look bad so nobody is in the clear. Then when a mafia gets lynched he can immediately defend himself by saying he was onto them.
Someone said that DrH pushed for the Kurumi lynch so therefore he is in the clear. However if you observe the day 2 votes you will notice that it's very likely the mafia team was on Kurumi the whole time. Bill Murray has gotten a town check, the only remaining players not on Kurumi are myself and EchelonTee. So he is not immediately in the clear because of the Kurumi lynch. In fact the majority of his posts about Kurumi entail things like this post:
On March 16 2012 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This thread is in fucking chaos and if this keeps up we will continue having no lynches for the rest of the game. Is everyone this terrible? I can't believe Kurumi is actually going to get away with straight up faking his role and doing nothing but trolling and trying to find the traitor all game.
I also can't believe that Curu making shit up to try to get Jackal killed and him and his scumbuddy prplhz trying to get a town suicide vig to shoot at night (benefits scum) ONLY seems odd to me. This is far and away the most embarrassing town performance I've ever seen.
You're an idiot if you don't vote for Kurumi. Caller is saying to vote for me because I flip flop and "only talk about the set-up". That's a bald faced lie, the majority of my posts are about scum or pressure and I'm WELL KNOWN to flip-flop and second guess myself constantly as town such as in AC where I changed my vote like ten times in the first day. In fact, if anything, the fact that I haven't changed my vote a million times makes me look bad. I don't even know what Katina is doing but she has no sense of meta and seems to be completely missing the obvious.
Caller is the dayvig, he confirmed it as far as I can tell so unless he somehow faked shooting Node, why would anyone vote for him? Scum have their powers in that KP cost thing it says so in the setup ...
So what Kurumi did is too scummy to be scummy? Congratulations, you've failed the most basic fucking trap of bad townie logic now never sign up for another game again you retarded jubjubs
His posts about Kurumi are much like this one: "vote Kurumi or else you retard!" His only reason for voting Kurumi is that Kurumi scum slipped. No analysis or anything. Vote Kurumi or you're retarded. If this is what scumhunting is than Palmar should be the reigning champion.
Even more proof of his inconsistency can be found if you click his filter and search for my name. Multiple times he lists me as mafia yet he has never hard pushed for me or giving reasons why I need to be lynched. In one post he says, "katina has called me out for stupid reasons but I'm not saying she looks like shit for "tunneling a townie" because my alignment isn't confirmed." This is interesting because when I first accused him he agreed with the arguments that I was making. He even acknowledged that he was jumping all over the place on his reads. As I said before, he's not second guessing himself. He is mafia and is casting doubt upon all the players. He has done a fabulous job of accusing everyone so when someone flips mafia he can say that he was suspicious of said person. Even if he was on Caller and Kurumi, he hasn't done anything recently besides cast more doubt on the remaining players. He has pushed for Jay to get lynched, but the majority of his accusations can be summarized with "Jay is retarded, let's kill him".
This leads into the obvious fact that DrH is acting nothing like he does when he is town. This is evident from his past games. Look at one of his posts from Storm Mafia:
On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched.
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for.
I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself.
This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time.
Notice how he is very direct in explaining his actions about where his vote and suspicion lies. There isn't a single post he's made in this game that can be mirrored with a typical post from that game. He hasn't done any explaining this game. He only focuses on the present and fails to address his past behavior. And the few times people have brought up this fact his response has been "well I always second guess myself trolol" Put simply, he is not taking responsibility for his actions.
It's also interesting to note how calm and collected he has been in the past when he is town. The above post is typical in showing is behavior when analyzing and addressing issues. Of course we know him to have a temper from time to time, as we all do whenever we are in a game with VE. However this game he has done nothing but call people retarded over and over again. This attitude is a bit reminiscent of wherebugsgo when he is mafia. I can understand being frustrated with the game (considering I have Jay riding my ass constantly), but the level of his insults coming from DrH is not only out of character, but completely unnatural.
I would also like to mention that this game DrH has an absurd amount of one liners and small posts. A quick glance through Storm Mafia and Arkham City show that his posting length this game is also not in sync with his normal town play. When DrH is town, he is not afraid to write paragraphs upon paragraphs detailing his thoughts. This game we have one liners about how small our IQ is.
Summary
DrH has been playing completely out of character from his typical town play. He hasn't been focused, anormous finger pointing, one liners and insults. His posts have been inconsistent and bringing confusion into the thread. He has not been responsible this game and he needs to be held accountable for it.
DrH is mafia
##Vote DoctorHelvetica
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On March 24 2012 05:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Katina's case on me is unfortunately too much based in meta and my personal life has been too hectic for me to put the thought and care into this game than I normally would. Who posted the case on Wiggles in the first place? I'd like to read it and clicking a filter is easier.
As much as I'm usually inclined to OMGUS, I think Katina is probably town. Misguided, but town. I've been too little of a factor lately for scum to need to distract me like this and there's no reason to post a huge case on me unless they're trying to get me to react or form a serious bandwagon.
The fact that only small targets have been dying (non "vet" players) at night leads me to believe scum is either blue sniping or just hitting people who have the right leads. Considering Mattchew died, that definitely adds some spice to the Mr.Wiggles case. I'll have to read it to determine if it's enough for my vote though as well as go through Wiggles filter.
First of all, my case isn't entirely based on meta. You've been inconsistent this whole game. You haven't hard pushed anyone into being lynched (Kurumi doesn't count). You have basically been sitting on the sidelines cheering like a teenage girl at a sale. You've also have been throwing around doubt all game (and you just did on this page on Bill Murray). All these things fall within the goals of the mafia.
Furthermore, you've been saying I should be lynched for the past few days. Now you think I'm town based on this case I'm pushing. It doesn't seem like you're reading anyone's filter, nor does it seem that you even care about who is getting lynched. You flip-flop more than a politician.
As for Wiggles, he is definitely suspicious and should be up for lynch again. But you dear sir, I don't see how we can just let you live any longer when all the flags are blowing up like a skirt in the breeze.
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I want to make sure someone dies tonight. So I'm moving my vote to Mr. Wiggles. Next to DrH, he should die too.
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On March 25 2012 23:53 jaybrundage wrote:
Curu we are not lynching Doc this is so dumb. We should be lynching katina we have been ignoring her all game. Every single person she has pushed as been town.
You are wrong about your last sentence. Not every person I have pushed has been town. That will be clear once DrH flips. That's not really an indicator of whether someone is mafia or not.
I think Jay might be mafia because he has been pushing for me all game and basically ignoring everything else that is going on. I think the mafia is probably telling Jay to keep pushing me so he doesn't mess anything up. He really hasn't done anything else and has ignored all the big cases. Jay also said he would make a case against me.... I have yet to see one.
Jay is mafia or big JubJub,
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Sorry, life kicked in today. Anyway, my vote is on DrH for the reasons I have stated in my cases against him. He needs to die.
##Vote DoctorHelvetica
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DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in.
DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up.
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On March 28 2012 04:32 Bill Murray wrote:I already tried to lynch DoctorH Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina
1. DrH did mud the waters in relation to your confirmation. If you are confirmed town why haven't the mafia killed you yet? I didn't attack you in pm and I don't want to kill you yet.
2. Ths is just a sad reason to accuse me for being mafia and does not indicate anything about my behavior this game or anything I have done.
My point is that DrH has been one of the most active players this game. Yet he has been inconsistent in who he thinks is mafia and he has never hard pushed one player.
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On March 28 2012 05:21 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 01:53 Katina wrote:
DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in.
DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up. I don't think anybody has been contributing enough for you to call Dr.H scummy for not contributing. I get the impression that Katina has been somewhat scared to post all game and has avoided giving us her reads.
I have not been scared to post all game infact I have been pretty transparent about who I think is mafia. I thought Mattchew was mafia and I said so many times. I thought Kurumi was innocent and I explained many times why I thought this.
On March 28 2012 05:52 EchelonTee wrote:my thoughts on KatinaExamining her reason to not vote Kurumi brings up something gold: Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 02:58 Katina wrote:On March 16 2012 02:27 layabout wrote:
Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia? Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. ] The key behind Katina thinking Kurumi was town, and also the reasoning she uses to proclaim her town status, is that being "consistent" is a town tell. She states that again in her PM with layabout: + Show Spoiler +[01:06:18] Summer Barnes: I've been clear the entire game on who I think is mafia
[01:06:26] Summer Barnes: but you could stand to do that Aside from the fact that Kurumi's flip shows that "remaining consistent" isn't a town tell, overall this concept is highly deceptive. Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances. Games change over time, and being unyielding is either plain ignorance or willful deception. As mafia, holding fast to some stance and sticking with it obstinately is essentially a free pass. You don't have to comment on relevant cases ("I disagree, I already stated my suspicion"), you deny responsibility for failures ("I stated why I thought he wasn't scum, that's that"), you don't even have to post!
Examples of this concept: Palmar initially thought Caller was town. His opinion changed. Deconduo initially thought DrH was talking sense. He now thinks DrH is scum I thought that Jitsu was scum. Filter me and look at my case; but do I talk about Jitsu at all after that day? No! Why? I changed my mind! I pressured Jitsu hard, and he responded well, so I backed off and realized he was likely town. This is how you remain transparent; you pressure your suspects and judge them. Katina has not considered any other viewpoints but her own all game; this shows a distinct lack of consideration for the thread happenings, and laughably enough removes her accountability from thread goings on.
The prplhz WIFOM: This is obviously a less concrete arguement, but as briefly mentioned, prplhz was a medic. Mattchew previously thought Katina was townie, b/c of the fact that she knew prplhz' role and prplhz still lived, but then prplhz died a random death. At the time prplhz was shot, he didn't have much thread presence, and at the same time no one had explicitly or implicitly outted him as a medic in thread. It's possible Mafia shot him for some other reason, but it's pretty likely that Mafia knew he was medic (through Katina) and sniped him.
Contradictions of Katina that make her look scummy: 1.says that DrH is scummy for bashing other people constantlyexamples of Katina bashing people for loose reasons: 1 2 32.calls out people for not contributing enoughKatina has less posts/content than VE, a dood that died N1. Says she'll talk more in pms with layabout, doesn't. 3.states that she has been open about her readsnever said why she thought abenson/wiggles were Mafia. she is quite intransparent in PMs.
All in all I am most sure of Katina being mafia. she has put on the veil of contribution without actually doing anything all game, and her logic breaks down under inspection.
I have already explained why I thought kururmi was innocent. Trying to dig up that dirt again is causing you to make the wrong decision, If you really care that much about Kurumi go back and read my post explaining what I did because right now you are distracting the town from the important issues about my case.
Perhaps I have not been considerate of other viewpoints this game however no offense. This game had a lot of Jubjubs in it and dealing with them constantly through the game was a big headache. The fact is I have taken responsibilites for my actions this game. I have explained why I have done everything that I have done. I have explained who I thought was mafia. I may not have provided big analisys on wiggles but early in the game I said he was suspicious and I was okay to lynch him. I didn't want a no lynch that's why I voted for him when I did.
Your thing about prplhz being the medic is not a good indicator of me being mafia. Yes he did tell me he was a medic and that night he did not get shot. I have not used that as a argument for my innocence.
You say that there are three contridications that I have made that has made me to appear scummy. Let me address all of them.
1. DrH is scummy for bashing other people. This is because as I pointed out in my analisys. This is not usual behavior for him when he is town. I may be sarcastic from time to time but everyone bashes people at one point or another. The point is that this is not normal behavoir for DrH.
2. Yes my number of posts may not be very high however, I have explained all my reads and all my actions and I have taken responsibility for what has happened. That is what is important. DrH has not taken responsibility for his actions.
3. I answered this above. I may be a little intransparent in pm's because everyone who I have been pming has accused me to be mafia and were unwilling to listen to me.
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To address some random issues. I have not been activitly lurking and I have not been playing in pm land as I said above anyone who I have been pming with thinks I'm mafia. Thus my willingness to talk to people in pm's has deminished.
I have contributed my reads the entire game not just when I have been pressured. My case against DrH came way before I was even a candidate for being lynched.
Infact Billmurray. DrH is the one who has posted analysis under pressure. As seen by his recent case against Jay. As Layabout pointed out his case is very convoluted and desperate. DrH had promised analysis in the past three days and have only chosen now to give it.
The problem with DrH is that he has refuted nearly all the arguments against him with the fact that he's been busy. He has done little to respond to the points that he's been inconsistent and clearly not acting the way he usually does when he is town. It's not the fact that he says he's been busy because everyone has a life. It's the fact that it's really all he has said. As I mentioned before he never really responded to my case. At first he just brushed it off as whatever and just recently just claimed it was a good analisys.
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On March 28 2012 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Yay we are finally lynching Katina <3
Do you even read?
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