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Palmar i am sorry but i cannot roeclaim to you. 
Since its extended majority lynch we are going to have to make more of an effort to produce good lynch targets and then get together to lynch one off them.
Question to thread: How often do you encounter genuine "scumslips", as in a player will post as if they have information that they should not have (like knowledge that somebody is town) and that player turns out to be Mafia?
And if that does happen, how often had the player also given themselves away as Mafia through their behaviour meaning that the scumslip itself was not necessary to determine their alignment?
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So when Jitsu and Caller put emphasis on scumslips to try to persuade us to vote for people, that would have been a pretty terrible thing for them to do if they are town, as it would be poor scumhunting at best likely to kill town.They would also appear to be scumhunting and they may cause people to focus on things that they should not?
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I am having a hard time beleiving that prplhz is town.
All he seems to do is spread negativity and encourage aimless discussion.
His most significant "scumhunting" posts are about Jackal and ViceraEyes.
His post about Jackal comes just after caller's case and it seems to be centered around theidea that he would not expect a town Jackal to think that caller looked scummy
On March 12 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote:Yea, I don't know about this jaybrundage lynch either. I don't think Caller is a good lynch either. The guy is being useless but I don't think there's anything particularly scummy about the way he is doing it. Even in the face of a lot of townies disliking him he's not doing anything to stop this and his lynch isn't really facing any resistance either. The only real resistance is the jaybrundage lynch which is quite bad, the guy isn't really acting scummy. He's putting himself out there with tons of dumb ideas and no fear at all and that's pretty townie. The Caller lynch seems like something that Jackal58 would oppose in his characteristic laconic, passive aggressive manner. Caller is being dumb but he's being blatant about it and there's nothing scummy about that and Jackal58 is usually one of the first to notice stuff like that. The fact that I've been on board the Caller-is-scummy-idea since the beginning seems like something that would make a town Jackal58 think everything over twice. I'm pretty sure he thinks that I'm a horrible player who only does horrible things + Show Spoiler +. Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir".I think that Jackal58 is scum. ##Vote Jackal58
He appears to be calling Jackal scum for doing the same thing that he (prphlz) did himself. The "forgive me" and "sir" may just be manner. I believe the OP instructs us to use it, it is not a "scumtell".
Other than that he his "meta" "argument" is extremely vague and there is next to nothing in this post that should justify a vote.
+ Show Spoiler [prplhz probably dislikes you] +"Your little matrix is extremely naïve, borderline dumb." "OP was written 12 days ago. What's your excuse for not reading it?" "The only real resistance is the jaybrundage lynch which is quite bad" "He's putting himself out there with tons of dumb ideas and no fear at all and that's pretty townie." "Caller had written short derpy posts so far" On March 13 2012 05:44 prplhz wrote:
Oh sorry about that, I'm tired.
You still suck DoctorHelvetica. On March 13 2012 16:44 prplhz wrote:
You're all JubJubs for not lynching Jackal58. On March 14 2012 07:14 prplhz wrote:
Jackal58 you fucking shoot tonight if you're actually town. On March 14 2012 07:20 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 14 2012 07:14 prplhz wrote:
Jackal58 you fucking shoot tonight if you're actually town. Confirmed scum? He said a bunch of times he's gonna shoot you. This means you both die if you're town since you have no guaranteed means of protection. If you're scum you can block and hit jackal which means you don't die and he never gets to claim his hit implicating you. Nice slip bro. That's pretty stupid but I'm not going to tell you why.
Is it usual for prphlz to be so negative about other peoples play?
He keeps throwing insults about people's play around rather than making legitimate or potentially constructive criticisms. He is casting doubt on players for no particular reason. He is spreading distrust.
He is also quick to inflate minute and unimportant to distract from looking for scum:
+ Show Spoiler +i am a little bored, think i will just post
He is not trying to help us find scum.
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Lol at Kurumi saying he trolled to make himself look like a traitor when trolling is typical town Kurumi play.
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@"People that have played multiple games with Kurumi",
Do you think a town-aligned Kurumi would act as he has acted so far?
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addition reasoning will be presented when i am less tired.
##vote prphlz
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Prphlz, it comes down to the fact that i think you have no interest in achieving town goals and yet you are perfectly willing to, insult goad, distract or write paragraphs about pokemon nonsense, when usually you would be more willing to offer your constructive thoughts, even if you were not feeling confident.
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On March 15 2012 09:16 Katina wrote:
I still think Mattchew is mafia.
1. He asks a lot of questions and doesn't do much else
2. He uses a lot of animations which makes it seems like an attempt to contribute when it's really not
Wherebugsgo posted a lot of pictures and gifs in storm mafia and he was mafia that game.
WBG was posting gifs because he thought that it would be funny.
I am fairly sure that Mattchew is not posting animations to make himself look like he is contributing.
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On March 16 2012 01:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote:
you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.
I'm never replacing into games again. Vigs that shoot night one are almost always wrong. They are almost always stupid. Like the dumbshit that shot me in Storm. I choose my own levels of dumbassery. So far that's been limited to blowing you up. I guess it's your turn.
BloodyC0bbler was the one that wanted us to shoot you night 1, and so mafia did.
Is anybody is PM contact with Bill Murray?
He does not seem to be playing, he promised a case on decondo 2 days ago and he has not said much since then.
Are you guys sure about Kurumi?
I think there is a decent chance he will flip town.
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Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia?
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jitsu, since he replaced into storm on day 3 or 4, storm is perhaps not the best example of is town play.
Instead look at games like thishttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2this54174&user=68386
and other games here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Kurumi&gb=date&d=&p=2
If you want to get an idea of his typical day 1 town play. You might want to take a look at his scum play too, and realise that this doesn't look much like it.
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I actually used the preview button before posting that
EBWOP:
Is it okay to vote like this?
On March 15 2012 23:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Moving the game along, mostly because I don't have anything better to say about anyone else.
I'll post some stuff tonight, closer to deadline.
##Vote: Kurumi
Speaking of dumb votes,
On March 15 2012 23:23 Mattchew wrote:
##vote kurumi
I wonder why this is....
Oh! this is why:
On March 16 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote:
Hi guys. We are lynching Kurumi today because it is the right thing to do.
His "role" or defense of Jackal or w.e it is, is completely stupid. Him and Jackal have both caused chaos and shitfits for the past 3 days in the thread, and we need to move on past this. There is an extremely high chance of flipping scum and he is playing really badly.
Key points:
Defending Jackal is stupid
Kurumi is playing bad
Kurumi and jackal have "caused chaos"
nothing of note
Attention! We are supposed to vote in this thread as well as in the voting thread!
On March 14 2012 12:01 Protactinium wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +Liquid`Sheth has been liquified. VisceraEyes has been jubjubified.
It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to cast your votes. Day 2 ends at 8PM PDT on Thursday. (03:00 GMT (+00:00) your time).
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we need an alternate candidate soon or we will be stuck choosing between Kurumi and a no-lynch
I propose prp, sent or drH
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DrH, you tell us to vote for Kurumi here,
On March 15 2012 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've been second guessing myself about Caller all game. I fail to see how that's scummy at all. In fact I've flip flopped a lot less than I usually do as town. Read AC or Storm, it's upsetting how inconsistent I am.
That's an almost undeniable scumslip by Kurumi there. Everyone should vote for Kurumi.
and explain it here
On March 15 2012 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 04:55 Jitsu wrote:
Hey DocH, why are you voting for Kurumi and not prplhz? Because Kurumi knows what roles are in the game i.e. he is mafia
I don't think that justifies all of the negativity you are bringing into the thread, maybe you could give us a wall of text that at least looks like a credible case?
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On March 16 2012 07:01 Curu wrote:
prplhz you should go vote for Kurumi. You too Caller. That puts us at majority.
The rest of the nonvoters are either scummy as fuck (EchelonTree, Katina, layabout), not even playing the game (Bill Murray, rgTheSchworz, Pandain), or presumably dead (Jackal58). I don't know what to make of gumshoe, I'd have to go read his posts.
Jackal buddy boy you should go vote for Kurumi too in case Palmar was bluffing.
explain why i am scummy
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One day1 i said we should kill him because (at that point) he had not been trolling.
In light of what has happened since that post i don't think i can still vote for him based on "kurumi is not trolling therefore he is probably scum"
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+ Show Spoiler +gogo voteswitch to random lurker
##vote Abension
And with great reluctance ... ##vote Kurumi
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I masoned Bill Murray.
Upon reflection i have concluded that this was dumb.
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+ Show Spoiler +From: Bill Murray [ 5179 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/13/12 18:37 Original Message From Bill Murray: hahaha let me guess Show nested quote +Original Message From layabout:
guess who just used their pm powers to be able contact you?
+ Show Spoiler +From: Bill Murray [ 5179 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/14/12 12:08 Original Message From Bill Murray: i didnt even know deconduo was in the game i will definitely want to get a read on him first thing Show nested quote +Original Message From layabout: When you feel like talking, this is a rough summary of my reads: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZayXa.png) I think that caller's behaviour has become increasing less town-minded as the day has drawn on. He contradicts himself repeatedly, for instance when he calls VE scummy for trying to make himself look good whatever Jackal flips when caller himself is doing it. Not only that but since mafia know whether the player is mafia or not, they have no need to make themselves look good in case of either flip. He also makes a point of VE scumslipping, which reeks of Bullshit. I find myself thinking that Jitsu is town, although i am am finding it difficult to articulate exactly why. What do you make of decondo? How would you expect him to play? Can you think of any games of his that would be beneficial to skim to get an idea of how he plays? Do you think Jaybrundage is town and not posting much content or scum and not posting much content? Did you notice that after (12) Kurumi wrote about his (#19) rattata (19) layabout wrote "I like butter 3." and butterfree is pokemon #12, i am not sure why i did that.... Original Message From Bill Murray: im not really sure yet i need to find them im still finishing the kaller game Original Message From layabout:
Kurumi scum.
Thoughts?
+ Show Spoiler +From: Bill Murray [ 5179 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/14/12 12:29 Original Message From Bill Murray: are we still allowed to whisper? Show nested quote +Original Message From layabout:
guess who just used their pm powers to be able contact you?
+ Show Spoiler +From: Bill Murray [ 5179 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: JubJub Mafia Date: 3/16/12 14:56 Original Message From Bill Murray: needless to say i disagree with your reads
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I masoned wiggles too, (although that's already in the spreadsheet).
Who did Palmar roleclaim to?
I thought that caller was just saying he would shoot Palmar to discourage scum from shooting at either of them during the night. I do not see why Caller would have shot Palmar if caller is town.
Shooting a player at that time is anti-town (especially if that player has an investigate ability that they might want to share).
Shooting a Player that was masoned by a flipped mafia player is horrendous since that very fact suggests they are town.
Shooting the player that hammered the sucessful scum lynch that was almost a no-lynch is horrendous since that fact suggests that they are town.
Shooting a player without first explaining why to town suggests that you can't explain why.
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