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On March 13 2012 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's inconclusive. I have no reason to believe you can't be teammates just because you take opposing viewpoints particularly when the bandwagon is so heavily swung in one direction there's no real danger there. Jitsu singled out prplhz and voted for him here but never voted in the actual voting thread which makes me think it's bullshit. He hasn't pushed it since then despite claiming that he still believes in it.
I try to just look at people as individuals, I tend to second guess myself a lot when I start to think of teams and until somebody actually flips it's difficult for me. It caused a lot of problems for me in Arkham City particularly.
You're both acting scummy in my eyes so what am I supposed to think?
Check again, sweetheart.
I still think he is scum because I perceive a scumslip. Not much of a case, but it's better then "let's vote Jackl after he claims blue in the thread." again, his meta looks pretty close to what I saw in Storm, and I think DrH sees it too. He's not getting my vote.
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Not sure, voted on Page 2. Easily remedied.
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Lol Gumshoe. So you think i'm townie, but you would be ok with my lynch?
dafuq?
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Also, you would vote for my lynch, yet you had Bill Murray targeted as mafia yesterday, made a case, and then voted for him. No?
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On March 14 2012 07:36 prplhz wrote:@Jackal58 I hope drunk Jackal58 can still think and then I hope that you shoot.
Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Jitsu is based on the discussions we've had in general - he's earnestly scumhunting and to be honest, your name hasn't come up...you might have convinced him  Palmar is Palmar. I've felt the sting of his manipulation before. It was a gut thing mostly, until he arrived in the thread. And yes, the way he pushed DocH for information cemented my read on him. While Storm certainly helped, I've been told several times that I need to work on just having confidence in my reads - so that's what I'm doing this game. It doesn't help that Palmar's read of Caller and mine are at odds. -.- I don't like how you're convinced that Palmar is town this fast when it took you so long in Resistance 2. If you're talking to Jitsu then ask him why he never pushed Curu even though his case on me was that I was scum buddy with Curu. He doesn't want to answer me when I bring it up in the thread for some reason. I think that Palmar has been too silent so far. If he had been around for the rest of the game I would be less unsettled but right now, Palmar is in a pretty unique position because there are PMs in this game and 2 people already openly confirmed to be in PM contact with him and I suspect that this number may be higher. If he is town and he doesn't talk then how can he expect to live until tomorrow? Scum are going to be pretty scared of him but he's not doing anything to defend himself from them at all. Unless he's in contact with medic/jailer and he is pretty sure they're town, I think it's weird that he's being so silent. From what you said it doesn't sound like he is very busy in PM land.
No, I can answer it here.
My case on you was my perception of a scum slip. Stop saying my case is that Curu and you are scum buddies. I would say that that is more a by-product of you scum slipping in thread.
I don't care if you think it's legit or not, or whether the odds are with you or the aren't. It's also widely known by now that I am not the best at analyses (something that I can attest that I am trying to correct, and working hard trying to fix) but when I do see something that looks scummy, i'm going to call it scum. Period.
I'm tired of reiterating the same thing over, and over, and over again. I felt that what I perceived was enough to put my vote on you - at least, stronger then the case against Jackal, who claimed a blue role in the thread. That's all I had, and I felt it was STILL a stronger point the the case brought up on Jackal, which can more attest to the strength of your shit over mine.
I am waiting to see other people's thoughts on you. I feel that if I go back and examine your filter, i'll only be looking for things that are scummy, and not looking at things subjectively. Would I vote for you still? Yes. Do I think Curu is scum? As a by-product of a your apparent fuck-up, I do. I know blues aren't all-powerful. But voting for a blue, in the thread, after he claims? Storm Mafia taught me that lesson. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice isn't going to be so hard.
Looking back, after I was staying on par with the posts of the thread, I came across a defense, similar to this, with Curu. After you posted the defense, you seem to have just vanished, and came back into the thread only after the pressure on you seemed to have cool. This shit isn't Grand Theft Auto. The Police don't stop coming after you after you get three blocks away and to your safe house.
You can lurk, but you can't hide.
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On March 14 2012 08:24 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:48 Jitsu wrote:On March 14 2012 07:36 prplhz wrote:@Jackal58 I hope drunk Jackal58 can still think and then I hope that you shoot.
On March 14 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Jitsu is based on the discussions we've had in general - he's earnestly scumhunting and to be honest, your name hasn't come up...you might have convinced him Palmar is Palmar. I've felt the sting of his manipulation before. It was a gut thing mostly, until he arrived in the thread. And yes, the way he pushed DocH for information cemented my read on him. While Storm certainly helped, I've been told several times that I need to work on just having confidence in my reads - so that's what I'm doing this game. It doesn't help that Palmar's read of Caller and mine are at odds. -.- I don't like how you're convinced that Palmar is town this fast when it took you so long in Resistance 2. If you're talking to Jitsu then ask him why he never pushed Curu even though his case on me was that I was scum buddy with Curu. He doesn't want to answer me when I bring it up in the thread for some reason. I think that Palmar has been too silent so far. If he had been around for the rest of the game I would be less unsettled but right now, Palmar is in a pretty unique position because there are PMs in this game and 2 people already openly confirmed to be in PM contact with him and I suspect that this number may be higher. If he is town and he doesn't talk then how can he expect to live until tomorrow? Scum are going to be pretty scared of him but he's not doing anything to defend himself from them at all. Unless he's in contact with medic/jailer and he is pretty sure they're town, I think it's weird that he's being so silent. From what you said it doesn't sound like he is very busy in PM land. No, I can answer it here. My case on you was my perception of a scum slip. Stop saying my case is that Curu and you are scum buddies 1. I would say that that is more a by-product of you scum slipping in thread. I don't care if you think it's legit or not, or whether the odds are with you or the aren't. It's also widely known by now that I am not the best at analyses 2 (something that I can attest that I am trying to correct, and working hard trying to fix) but when I do see something that looks scummy, i'm going to call it scum. Period. I'm tired of reiterating the same thing over, and over, and over again. I felt that what I perceived 2 was enough to put my vote on you - at least, stronger then the case against Jackal, who claimed a blue role in the thread. That's all I had, and I felt it was STILL a stronger point the the case brought up on Jackal, which can more attest to the strength of your shit over mine. I am waiting to see other people's thoughts on you 2. I feel that if I go back and examine your filter, i'll only be looking for things that are scummy, and not looking at things subjectively 3. Would I vote for you still? Yes. Do I think Curu is scum? As a by-product of a your apparent fuck-up, I do. I know blues aren't all-powerful. But voting for a blue, in the thread, after he claims 4? Storm Mafia taught me that lesson. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice isn't going to be so hard. Looking back, after I was staying on par with the posts of the thread, I came across a defense, similar to this, with Curu. After you posted the defense, you seem to have just vanished 5, and came back into the thread only after the pressure on you seemed to have cool. This shit isn't Grand Theft Auto. The Police don't stop coming after you after you get three blocks away and to your safe house. You can lurk, but you can't hide. 5 1: But it is. Your case was that I misread Caller as Curu and for some reason you don't think I would just misread stuff so you think I was expecting Curu to post. You say that this means that we were in private contact with each other. Since Curu said that he wasn't PMing with anybody then we must be communicating in some other way, and you say that this is a QuickTopic, consequently Curu and I are scum buddies and that makes me scum. Your entire case rests on how you believe that Curu and I are scum buddies, yet you don't push Curu AT ALL. If your case merely was that I misread something then you're really a JubJub. + Show Spoiler +I don't get why you're disregarding how Curu and I could be in PM contact. How do you know that he's telling the truth? If you think he's telling the truth because he's town then we can't be scum buddies. : Reeks of insecurity. 3: Word you're looking for is "objectively". 4: Didn't you read Curu's analysis of the claim? I don't recall you objecting to any of it other than blindly saying that you wont lynch claimer because in some other game the claimer turned out to be town or something. 5: Lurk but not hide? I have a lot more posts than you. Whatever. This post is so bad you're probably town. You can call me dick but you can't call me Curu.
Does anybody else think that Jackal58 isn't man enough to shoot tonight?
So, you're pointing out that I lack confidence in my scum reads, I used subjectively instead of objectively, bringing up someone elses defense of you, and bringing up the fact that I have less of a filter then you, even though none of that has any bearing on the case I have against you
Here's a question, prplhz; why do you give so much of a shit if the bandwagon has gained zero momentum? Is it because you feel guilty, subconsciously, and are trying to prove to yourself, and everyone else, that you are innocent of something?
Sounds like you are clawing around, trying to not look inherently guilty.
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On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD
Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party)
Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o.
Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers.
Holy crap.
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On March 15 2012 02:35 Katina wrote:
Have you guys noticed that Node has appeared to have fallen off the face of the earth? He hasn't responded to any of the cases that have been made against him. He comes in, points an empty finger at someone, then gone again. Take a look at his filter, don't worry it's not a long read so it won't take up much of your time. I would like to see him make a case in his defense or any case really....
Are you even bothering to read the thread?
Palmar, you claimed DT. Can you tell us who you checked?
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On March 15 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote:
seriously it's fucking annoying to play with people who don't attempt to play the game.
Not sure if you were referring to me or not, but I think my question is at least somewhat valid, seeing as how you posted this:
On March 14 2012 04:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 04:09 Jackal58 wrote:
Why don't you role claim to all of us Palmar. Don't even need to use a PM.
EFFICIENCY FTMFW!!!!!!!!
which could be construed to say that you are the Detective. Since we aren't in PM contact, I can only glean stuff that you say in the thread.
Hence, my question.
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Hey DocH, why are you voting for Kurumi and not prplhz?
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On March 15 2012 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 04:55 Jitsu wrote:
Hey DocH, why are you voting for Kurumi and not prplhz? Because Kurumi knows what roles are in the game i.e. he is mafia
Yet, you thought prplhz had an equally telling scumslip, where he was near "confirmed," and this is also the same game where you wanted to hang me for posting against what I perceived as a scumslip as well, right?
Cool.
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Palmar, you aren't sure on this Kurumi thing. What is the thought process that you have regarding the situation?
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On March 15 2012 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 05:31 Jitsu wrote:On March 15 2012 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 15 2012 04:55 Jitsu wrote:
Hey DocH, why are you voting for Kurumi and not prplhz? Because Kurumi knows what roles are in the game i.e. he is mafia Yet, you thought prplhz had an equally telling scumslip, where he was near "confirmed," and this is also the same game where you wanted to hang me for posting against what I perceived as a scumslip as well, right? Cool. If you can point out where I said it was equally telling that'd be cool This is definitely worse than what prplhz said. Encouraging a suicide vig to shoot you is scummy as hell but it doesn't touch what Kurumi did. You don't think Kurumi is scum? Do you have blinders on because I called you out yesterday? Use your brain.
On March 14 2012 07:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:14 prplhz wrote:
Jackal58 you fucking shoot tonight if you're actually town. Confirmed scum? He said a bunch of times he's gonna shoot you. This means you both die if you're town since you have no guaranteed means of protection. If you're scum you can block and hit jackal which means you don't die and he never gets to claim his hit implicating you. Nice slip bro.
I did use my brain. Why would you call someone Confirmed Scum and not even bother voting for them?
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And no, I don't have blinders on.
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On March 15 2012 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Kurumi is indefenseable at this point.
jaybrundage, you play like scummy shit all game then start demanding role claims from everyone. Stop doing that. If you're town, it's stupid and unhelpful.
With Kurumi gone, we need to shoot prplhz tonight or lynch him tomorrow. He's been on Jackal and didn't react to Jackal's claim but despite this obvious fakery from Kurumi, he chooses to ignore it then go after me. He is aggressive then immediately backs off and acts like he was just messin around. What a joke.
Curu straight up lies about things I say, he at least has the good sense to vote for Kurumi.
I'm not pushing Caller anymore, his claim seems to be legit and like I said I lost some confidence in him as the day went on and moved toward Jitsu (who is also misrepresenting me). It isn't scummy for a player to change their mind and it isn't my priority to tell the town about every change of thought or thing I think, otherwise I'd end up spamming the thread. If you're that interested in my thought process, just PM me, I'm not going to clutter the thread with that shit.
kurumi, prplhz, curu that's my best guess. Abenson, rgTheSchworz, Sentinel, probably scum or traitor between those 3. Dunno about Palmar. His play seems pro-town but I know he's good. If he's town this game is probably in the bag, if it's scum it's over since it seems a town circle has been built around him.
Nobody has PM'd me in this game yet, which surprises me a little.
I asked you a question on your thoughts, and you jumped off the deep end. It's over and done with. I'm at least cooled enough to think straight now, and hopefully you are the same.
kurumi, prplhz, curu that's my best guess.
I think this is pretty accurate. I think you could throw Jaybrundage into there, though. I can't feasibly do anything with RGTS because there is literally nothing to look into, Abenson's filter is pretty small as well, and I haven't even really looked that hard at Sentinel.
I agree with what you had to say about the PM, as well as what Jackal says about the role itself. The idea of the role seems a bit far-fetch'd. I keep trying to think of what it's use would be, especially as a town "passive, informative role." It would only fit as a scum role, and I still think it might be faked at that, especially since the developments since I left.
Kurumi is getting my vote for right now.
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Jackal, I know. I was agreeing with you.
You still have a PM? I'd love to talk to you.
Yours forever. <3
~Jitsu
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There a number of reasons. Most forthcoming reason for me is the fact that he stated he was the Dreamer, but can't seem to come up with something actually indicitive of what he claims his role is.
Then, after he is voted because he said he is a passive information role, he says "Oh, I also have an activatable ability attached onto it, I just didn't want to tell anyone because it didn't seem important at the time." Especially since he first stated it was a passive role, and then switching to saying it had an activated mechanic too it.
I can disregard the stuff early game - it could be true that he was baiting Mafia to guess Traitor on him, but it could also be possible that he really IS the traitor trying to get the mafia to recruit him. It's too much one way or another, but disregarding that, I think the fact that he kept adding elements to his role to appear as a blue isn't something an actual blue would do.
Below is also the rest of the stuff that I have on Kurumi for this game.
Overall Posting History this game:
Trolling. Barely contributed Day 1, and only changed his behavior when he got some serious votes for him, where he started to stammer and mess up his gameplay a bit. Things including typing in another language, "Baiting mafia traitor guesses," and the like were detremental to the town.
Analysis of Previous Game: Town
Kurumi replaced into the game as a town player in Storm Mafia. While he died the day he replaced, he can in activley trying to contribute, at least it seemed to me. Completely different feel this game from him.
@Jackal, you said that you though Kurumi was town because he came to you and said he knew Dreamflower was in the game because he was a "Dreamer." Do you think it would be possible that he knew that from the bit of information that the Mafia gets in the beginning, regarding blue roles?
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On March 16 2012 03:17 layabout wrote:jitsu, since he replaced into storm on day 3 or 4, storm is perhaps not the best example of is town play. Instead look at games like thishttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2 this54174&user=68386 and other games here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Kurumi&gb=date&d=&p=2If you want to get an idea of his typical day 1 town play. You might want to take a look at his scum play too, and realise that this doesn't look much like it.
Thank you LayAbout. The reason I didn't go beyond the most recent game, however, is because people might tend to change styles of play over long periods of time. I think if you go back to my first game (Election Mafia, which happened right before Responsability) you would see a shift in my game from then to now.
I don't like to think that simply because someone replaced halfway into a game makes them a better or worse player. Palmar came in this game himself, and is doing things that I can recognize as Town Palmar. Being aggressive, putting reads out there, gaining massive thread presense and controlling the mood. Kurumi subbed into Storm and was much more productive that game as a town player then this game as a player in general.
That is why I look at his overall posting history in this game, and what it looks to accomplish, and his overall posting history to last game, and what THAT was working to accomplish (Along with his actual alignment) and compare them. I figured since what I was doing before wasn't working, I might as well try something new and see how it works out, right?
Do you firmly believe Kurumi ISN'T Mafia? Like, are you near deadset on him flipping town?
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On March 16 2012 03:34 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 03:30 Jitsu wrote:On March 16 2012 03:17 layabout wrote:jitsu, since he replaced into storm on day 3 or 4, storm is perhaps not the best example of is town play. Instead look at games like thishttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2 this54174&user=68386 and other games here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Kurumi&gb=date&d=&p=2If you want to get an idea of his typical day 1 town play. You might want to take a look at his scum play too, and realise that this doesn't look much like it. Thank you LayAbout. The reason I didn't go beyond the most recent game, however, is because people might tend to change styles of play over long periods of time. I think if you go back to my first game (Election Mafia, which happened right before Responsability) you would see a shift in my game from then to now. I don't like to think that simply because someone replaced halfway into a game makes them a better or worse player. Palmar came in this game himself, and is doing things that I can recognize as Town Palmar. Being aggressive, putting reads out there, gaining massive thread presense and controlling the mood. Kurumi subbed into Storm and was much more productive that game as a town player then this game as a player in general. That is why I look at his overall posting history in this game, and what it looks to accomplish, and his overall posting history to last game, and what THAT was working to accomplish (Along with his actual alignment) and compare them. I figured since what I was doing before wasn't working, I might as well try something new and see how it works out, right? Do you firmly believe Kurumi ISN'T Mafia? Like, are you near deadset on him flipping town? I am pretty certain he will flip town
I'm also pretty certain the jury thought Casey Anthony was guilty, but it didn't matter because the D.A. didn't explain why.
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