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Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II

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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
February 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#21
/in. Finally got to be in a mini!
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 01 2012 03:19 GMT
#110
Awww, so slow...

1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.

2).
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 01 2012 03:36 GMT
#118
On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...

1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.

2).


Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches.

On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?

I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1.

"Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year.


On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.

Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time?


lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 01 2012 03:46 GMT
#123
Updated country in profile for Probulous and for all others who care. I have a weird sleep schedule anyways.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 01 2012 03:52 GMT
#125
On March 01 2012 12:47 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:
On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:
On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...

1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.

2).


Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches.

On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?

I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1.

"Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year.


On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.

Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time?


lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up.


I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy.

As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it.


And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 01 2012 04:25 GMT
#136
On March 01 2012 12:59 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 12:52 Misder wrote:
On March 01 2012 12:47 Probulous wrote:
On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:
On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:
On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...

1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.

2).


Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches.

On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?

I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1.

"Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year.


On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.

Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time?


lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up.


I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy.

As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it.


And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so.


No you move on and based your decision on other actions. I agree that lieing hurts town and should be taken into account when pushing a lynch. But having a policy that straight up ignores how that person was playing when they weren't lying is stupid. I mean if a medic lied to stay alive but pushed good reads all game, you would lynch him without considering the rest of his play? You don't have to solve the lie. You are correct in that it leads to WIFOM, I merely use it as a piece of data in a larger case. No need for a policy.


If you think you can analyze lying as a piece of data correctly, go right ahead. Don't blame me when scum tricks you.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 01 2012 04:39 GMT
#141
On March 01 2012 13:33 Probulous wrote:
@Misder

I am not advocating analysing a lie. We all agree that lieing is scummy. That is all I meant by using it as a piece of data. Town should not lie unless they absolutely have to and have damn good reasons for it. If you do, it should be counted as evidence towards you being mafia. That is all, just another brick in the wall so to speak. Your case should stand on its own regardless of the lie. If the liar can't show why they did it and they looked scummy already then yes they should be lynched, but be aware that is not a policy lynch.


Again, go right ahead w/ your analysis. If you believe that you can tell if scum is lying about having good reasons or even that town had good reasons to lie, fine.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 02 2012 03:27 GMT
#242
I'm glad I'm under fire.
This whole thing that I'm spouting one-liners thing is pretty messed up. There is nothing wrong with saying what my opinions are on policy lynches. It's not like I push that we should implement Lynch all Liars, but rather that it really is a good policy and I'm going to vote based on that policy.

(I also find it cute that deconduo called me a vet)

Anyways,
Paperscraps is town.
Probulous is town.
Bluelightz is town.
Snarfs is town.
Palmar is town.
A Killer Cuppa Tea is town.
Pandain leaning town.
rgTheSchworz is null.
Adam is leaning scum.
Sandroba is leaning scum.

##Vote: deconduo
His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous).

I'm missing some people because I missed them when I did my first impressions sheet/I wasn't paying enough attention to everyone/nothing stood out from anyone else.
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