Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II

On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:


Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches.

On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?

On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.

Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time?

On March 01 2012 12:47 Probulous wrote:


I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy.

As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it.

On March 01 2012 12:59 Probulous wrote:


No you move on and based your decision on other actions. I agree that lieing hurts town and should be taken into account when pushing a lynch. But having a policy that straight up ignores how that person was playing when they weren't lying is stupid. I mean if a medic lied to stay alive but pushed good reads all game, you would lynch him without considering the rest of his play? You don't have to solve the lie. You are correct in that it leads to WIFOM, I merely use it as a piece of data in a larger case. No need for a policy.

On March 01 2012 13:33 Probulous wrote:
@Misder

I am not advocating analysing a lie. We all agree that lieing is scummy. That is all I meant by using it as a piece of data. Town should not lie unless they absolutely have to and have damn good reasons for it. If you do, it should be counted as evidence towards you being mafia. That is all, just another brick in the wall so to speak. Your case should stand on its own regardless of the lie. If the liar can't show why they did it and they looked scummy already then yes they should be lynched, but be aware that is not a policy lynch.