EPTAlderan points us at slOosh, dies, flips town.
I think slOosh is scum.
Jekyll thinks slOosh is scum.
slOosh dies tomorrow pending acts of God.
The question is this, who are his scum buddies?
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DoYouHas
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Alderan points us at slOosh, dies, flips town. I think slOosh is scum. Jekyll thinks slOosh is scum. slOosh dies tomorrow pending acts of God. The question is this, who are his scum buddies? | ||
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slOosh's immediate response to the 'realization' that he had just spearheaded another townie was to blame it on everyone else. And now even though he just incorrectly pegged Alderan, he is perfectly confident that in spite of his own bad scumhunting and Alderan's defense of me, the other half of his initial case must be right. How is anyone possibly buying this? Just as a fun exercise, let's look at slOosh's responses to mislynching in his previous games. + Show Spoiler [SNMM7] + On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote: Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow. Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing. My stance on Mattchew - He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced. I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case. I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum). Following post will address Mattchew's 4. + Show Spoiler [NMM3] + On January 27 2012 14:12 slOosh wrote: After cooling off, I have to reluctantly agree. I don't think me getting tunnel vision and attacking zarepath is helpful to town when there are still so many lurkers in the game. I'm willing to back off in order to punish inactives/lurkers. I do agree with MidnightGladius that Bromancipate is a good place to start. In both of these cases slOosh responds to mislynching by slowing down, reevaluating, and trying to get a better grasp on the game. Also, he tends to do this reevaluation by looking at other people's cases and putting his weight behind them. Does that look anything like his response to this mislynch? no. slOosh's biggest fear this game is that he loses it by tunneling the way he did in his 2 previous games. Does his response reflect that? no. He states that he tried his best to avoid it. Does he slow down? No, he instead throws suspicion on myself, chocolate, nightfury, and testsubject. Does he reevaluate? No, he comes after me with surprising certainty. Just the way he has handled his case against Alderan and me should be enough to get him lynched. But I know you will require more because you all love to frustrate me. So I will put together a bigger case on him. zelblade. I pointed out the fake claim because before it was only your word, now it is fact. That is a very important difference. I really dislike how you seem to be taking cues from slOosh who you also seem to have a town read on. I am confident in my town reads on JekyllAndHyde and NightFury. I lean town with Chocolate as well but that is less certain. I agree with Alderan that k2hd is probably town based off how slOosh used him in his case against us both. That leaves the 4 mafia in this list. 1. slOosh 2. Ghost 3. zelblade 4. Testsubject 5. Phagga Pull your heads out of the sand and let's get to work. | ||
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"slOosh has been actively working to focus the town and find scum." "I am 99% sure that one of the two of you is scum, and I haven't decided which one it is yet." "@sloosh Stop tunneling DoYouHas." Oh the contradictions. First you hard defend slOosh, saying that he has been very pro-town (meaning you have a town read on him). Then immediately change that stance by saying that 1 of us MUST be scum and you aren't sure which yet. And you give advice to slOosh to stop tunneling me. You don't give advice to someone you don't have a town read on. Or in your case, someone who isn't your scum buddy. You want to appear on the fence between me and slOosh, but it is abundantly clear where your loyalties lie. Our medic is gone. We have no guarantees that we have a vet. We are about to walk into LYLO. That means that in order to lynch scum, without scum bussing one of their own, every single townie will have to line up behind a scum candidate. That makes this on the fence stance of Ghost's exceptionally anti-town. I was already pretty confident that I had all 4 scum in my list. Your posting has just made me more so Ghost. | ||
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On March 06 2012 05:33 ghost_403 wrote: @doyouhas I disagree with you, therefore I'm scum. Brilliant logic. Calm down. Try again, but you are still scum. | ||
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Read his filter yourself, it is not that long. slOosh has focused all his aggression against Chocolate, Alderan, gumshoe, and myself. And no, his case on ghost doesn't count, even he states that it was a soft accusation, easily made and easily lifted. It carried no weight. That means that slOosh has spent this entire game trying to bring down 4 townies. I am confident in my scumlist, and almost all of them have come after Chocolate at some point. Either it is a long term bussing strategy or he is townie. The first is ridiculous, the second is highly probable. Even now slOosh and Ghost try to bury my comments and attack the value of them. On March 06 2012 05:33 ghost_403 wrote: @doyouhas I disagree with you, therefore I'm scum. Brilliant logic. Calm down. I'll dignify that with a proper response when I get home. Oh yes, I am completely absent logic and he will deign to come enlighten my poor self when he gets home. Avoids the actual content of my post and belittles me in such a short post. Impressive really. On March 06 2012 06:56 slOosh wrote: It's like he don't even read my posts. I was open to voting either one of DYH / Alderan. When I last posted it was 2-2. When I came back I find a 7-2 with 4 votes casted with absolutely no reasoning. He somehow thinks I bear total responsibility for the mislynch and that the four (of whom he is one) are absolved due to my "spearheading" with a total of 3 posts after my case. I want to lynch DYH for reasons other than those listed in the case: He keeps putting weight on things that actually have no weight. This is the newest addition to my case. He also is showing really poor reasoning and OMGUSing anyone who doesn't like him. These things happened before and are still continuing - don't think that my initial case is static - its been building with the new influx of information. Strangely, his response to me doesn't actually respond to anything I brought up. The heart of my post was that slOosh's worst fear this game is tunneling and mislynching a townie. That fear has become a reality, do slOosh's posts reflect that? no. He redirects blame onto the 4 of us that voted after him. What does he do when I point this out? Redirects back onto the 4 who voted after him. His wasn't the vote that clenched that majority, so clearly those who did are more to blame than him. Never mind that it was his suspicions and cases that pigeonholed the town into a choice between 2 townies. No, whatever way that lynch went, slOosh would have been the reason a townie got lynched. And as for those 4 that you want to throw the blame onto. I am one, I have town reads on Chocolate and Nightfury. So no, I don't think theirs were scum bandwagon votes. I think theirs were votes of someone who wanted a lynch in a less than ideal situation. "He keeps putting weight on things that actually have no weight." I hope that those of you out there who are actually townies do not buy this. You currently have 3 people out there who you know for certain that their motivations are townie. gumshoe, Alderan, and yourself. Ignoring their suspicions and posts is pure folly. slOosh claiming they have no weight is absurd. Man I hope slOosh gets shot tonight. | ||
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Yes, a dt could push a scum check without revealing himself. But if he did claim then we could start this day with a confirmed scum (assuming that the dt claim looks legit). Which lets us work out the team. It is the best use of our time. If he has multiple town reads, it clarifies quite a bit. So yes, the dt should claim if he has ANY relevant checks. | ||
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DoYouHas
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Jekyll, I don't know what you will end up deciding. But if I read the sides on this as clearly as I think I do, your decision is going to be the difference between an all townie lynching of scum and a bus. ##Vote: slOosh | ||
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On March 07 2012 08:36 slOosh wrote: Let me refresh everyone's minds of a recent post. Conveniently ignored are any of zelblade's reads, even though he just flipped town. Seems like you like to advice people but not listen to your own. You just like manipulation of dead townie's reads to paint me scum. You forget Alderan was the first to post PBPA on Chocolate, forget that gumshoe's suspicion is solely a "gut feel" but keep asserting the authority of dead people's posts. Wow, you're really grasping at straws now considering the post you quoted happened before zelblade died. There is no 'convenient ignoring'. In fact, I am really amused that you are the one to bring up how zelblade's death hurts my arguments against you. This morning in the shower I was musing to myself that the first person who brought up how zelblade's death discredits me was probably mafia (sort of like in the godfather where the rat is the one who proposes the meeting). It is just perfect that you are the one to do it, slOosh. It fits perfectly with your MO of trying to discredit me. See, it is true that zelblade was suspicious of me. It is also true that zelblade was on my list of possible scum. With 1 hit the mafia have thrown doubt both on my scumlist and on my aggression towards slOosh. zelblade is the perfect hit for framing me as scum. It discredits my case on slOosh, discredits my scumlist, and removes a townie voice that was opposed to me. Why would I do that to myself if I am indeed scum? So that I can make this exact defense? That is a pretty low reward for drawing suspicion back onto myself. Of course, you all could decide that this is speculation into why zelblade was hit and therefore WIFOM and moot. As for Alderan, he did post the first PBPA on Chocolate, but if memory serves, he was not the one that pushed Chocolate's lynch in the end. He was, however, the one who speculated that mafia would push the case of a townie over one of their own day1. And would ya look at that, 3/4 of the people I suspect to be mafia are on that list. I really should be thanking you slOosh, in your desire to discredit me, you narrowed my list to 4. | ||
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The way I see it is that if Chocolate is scum, this has been the longest and most elaborate bus I've ever seen or heard of. I find that notion ridiculous. Therefore, Chocolate is town. | ||
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