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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 28 2012 21:24 GMT
#537
By the way, this post was directed at Alderan. Probably should have mentioned that somewhere in there. My bad.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 28 2012 23:09 GMT
#549
@phagga Why did you do that. Now we have to listen to him pass off other peoples arguments as his own for the next few days.

This post brings nothing new to the thread. Not impressed.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 28 2012 23:36 GMT
#555
@test Really, right now is just an extension of the day time where we don't actually vote. Do feel bad that you don't immediately have a case. Just try to get caught up on the thread, and focus on trying to figure out how to use your action if you have one. We're not going to lynch you for being a lurker...

ghost_403 narrows his eyes

...yet.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 13:10 GMT
#611
Says Chocolate, once again posting nothing of value.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 13:42 GMT
#612
Lest I be accused of the same, I'm going to formalize my thoughts on two of the players in this town when I get home tonight.

Cue suspenseful music
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 17:06 GMT
#628
@gumshoe Saying "Lynch me" is playing against your win condition. Stop it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 17:24 GMT
#633
On March 01 2012 02:21 Alderan wrote:
- You say I'm just defending myself and that's where I'm generating content. If I'm correct I have posted more player analysis than anyone in this thread. Just because they are not "Super long, one post a day posts" (that I did last game when I was scum; that you are doing now) doesn't mean I'm not generating content.


Quite a claim. I'll get back to you on that.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 21:36 GMT
#641
@sloosh No problem, just trying to tidy up some real life stuff before jumping in.

As a note to everyone, I think that a gumshoe lynch is acceptable, but not optimal. If we are to believe him, that he is just a townie disinterested in playing the game (and I don't see a good reason not to), I think we are wasting a lynch at this point. I would much rather focus on weeding out other scum at the moment. Let's not just agree to lynch gumshoe and be done with it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 22:44 GMT
#644
Let's take but a moment to examine our dear friend Chocolate.

My problem with him, in addition to the things that I brought up on Day 1, is that he brings nothing new to the game. He is the perfect example of a scummy lurker. His goal is to post enough in the thread to make himself look townie while providing nothing of value. Let's take a look at a couple of the posts that he's made. (Fun fact: these are in fact ALL of his posts since Night 1.)

On February 28 2012 11:42 Chocolate wrote:
Didnt like night because he was ambivalent until I told him I wanted people to panic a little.
Phagga because he voted me because I was voting around w/o intentions of lynching.


Can't figure out who he's talking to in this post. He basically says here that he doesn't like the people that voted to lynch him.

On February 28 2012 11:54 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:52 ghost_403 wrote:
@sloosh Here's what you missed. All (almost all) the people voting against Chocolate have held their ground, all the other people have hopped, skipped, and leaped all over the place, finally deciding on trying to lynch the guys who's going to get modkilled for not voting in order to force a no-lynch.

I bet the other 2 will get replaced too


Responds to me with a contentless post. Useless.

On February 29 2012 07:53 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 06:58 Alderan wrote:
Jekyll, what do you think about the current cases at hand, namely the ones against Chocolate, myslef, and k2hd.

I'm still a case -.-

Just read the thread, I think the cases of alderan and k2hd are pretty good.

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On February 29 2012 03:54 Alderan wrote:
The K2hd Case

Why I found you suspicious the originally:
            - You had, prior to the very end of the day yesterday, exactly 1 productive post.
            - Your first point in said post was to say you didn't find FF very scummy.
            - Your second point was to find Ghost suspicious for the same thing that seemed to clear him for everyone else.
            - You soft agree with me about Chocolate.
            - You vote for a no lynch.

You had no strong convictions, made no original cases, you simply agreed with other people sentiments, and then chose to vote for a no-lynch, the ultimate middle of the road move.

Important note: Notice the fact that you voted for igadob is no where to be found in this reasoning. It's because that move is not inherently scummy, I found you and 3 others that were voting for igadob suspicious, which in turn lead me to believe that Chocolate could be scum. I had enough doubt however to choose to vote for either lynching the scummiest lurker in my mind, or no lynching.

Why I find you more suspicious:

            - Opening sentence of your second meaningful post is "Now for those who are starting to suspect me." What a bizzarre way to start a post, I've never heard a towny be worried about being "suspected"
            - The rest of his post has absolutely no substance.
            - Spends 3 paragraphs saying he's going to be inactive a lot.
            - Says he couldn't make an informed enough decision to switch votes to get a lynch because of his inactivity.
            - Touts being the first to "bring igadob up. He was a lurker, you didn't do anything special, you just voted for a lurker. Who tries to make their actions look more meaningful than they are? Scum.
            - Agrees with Sloosh and Zelblade that I look suspicious. Makes 1 extra point about the case that was inherently flawed. You state that I was giving Janaan a pass. I wasn't. In case you did not notice all of those people were lurking really hard, except for Janaan, who was posting enough, just not making a stand on anyone, and that's what I was asking him to do.


See what you guys think.

The first part is a good find, he does seem to be contributing the bare minimum, not really doing anything productive but providing "safe" views.

Agree with the bringing igabod up part. Agree with the fluff part.

Now this is seperate but alderan brings up another good point
Show nested quote +
Janaan, who was posting enough, just not making a stand on anyone
this wishy washy stance is not beneficial for anyone but mafia.

As for the alderan case, he does seem to be moving around a lot too, but at least he is driving discussion. Voting for steveling over igabod makes sense with his explanation. Basically those two points are the whole case? With those alone I'm not bought.


TL;DR - I agree with Alderan, begin wishy-washy is bad, Steveling was a better lynch than Igabod (which Alderan already stated here).

Next post, he defends himself from Phagga. Posts some thoughts, nothing profound. We have to note here that the only reason he did this was that he was provoked.

Next three posts say nothing.

On February 29 2012 11:03 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 09:07 NightFury wrote:
Okay. Caught up with the thread.

As for the no lynch - Can't say I'm 100% pleased with the decision. But I suppose people do have different priorities. All I know is that we have one extra day/night cycle. And since it has already come to pass, I see no reason to dwell on it.

Really happy we have substitutions for the two inactives and one with questionable sanity. Hope this leads to productive discussions.

As for the new cases proposed - I'm still trying to digest information on them. I don't have anything new or constructive to add at this moment in time.

I do have one question for Chocolate. This is mostly for my understanding than anything else. I do understand your strategy on day 1 was to get people talking and I definitely see the merit in that. So I won't be beating that dead horse anymore.

Why would you choose a dishonest strategy that basically involves empty threats to produce conversation over others (i.e. case building)?

I cannot wrap my head around why you opted to do this. I did state previously that it could have just been reckless play and that could still be a possibility - but I need to know more information before I can return to that stance. Just for clarity - I remain in the opinion that your play has been scummy and that you are still a valid lynch candidate.

I am heading out for dinner now. Will be back in a little while!

I think the answers produced while under pressure would just be better, and people might actually feel the need to respond more.

Responds to pressure, nothing new.

On February 29 2012 21:36 Chocolate wrote:
Then we should play out the day and see what presents itself -.- Also don't contribute just for the sake of contributing, contribute to try to find scum. I'm already getting bad vibes from you, nttea

My favorite post. Yells at nttea for posting without saying anything. LOL.


On March 01 2012 06:47 Chocolate wrote:
I just got home . Not many people were on yesterday for me to talk to.


Show nested quote +
Also zell blade I would rather you never have stated that information at all, nothing good can ever come from discussing non hit night actions

Ok first I'm going to be a hypocrite and tell you to stop talking about this, by talking about it Same goes for analyzing night actions, they are exercises in WIFOM and attempting to draw conclusions from them is stupid and scummy. Definitely agreeing with phagga here.

In fact this is making me very suspicious of gumshoe. I wouldn't expect someone like him to try to do that at all, and the blue discussion with zell can't help town one bit. In addition, why wouldn't he claim RB? The only thing I can think of is if zell is mafia and is trying to make it seem like there is an rb, but I'd get suspicious if he kept claiming rb every day. In addition, if he gets lynched and flips red, any other players who have claimed RB would probably get lynched quickly.

Zellblade's point on gum's posting habits is good.

I dislike gum's choice to curb his posting, imo it seems to be an excuse to post less (think the amount I posted in II ) while still seeming town, because he has an excuse. I hope to see substantial posts from gum, and answering questions when needed. If he goes lurker mode I won't hesitate to lynch him.


Tells us that the guy who thought about getting modkilled is kinda fishy. Profound thought here.

Take a minute to go back and read through his filter. All of his posts thus far have been either, A) agreeing with other players, B) finding lurkers scummy, or C) defending himself.

Chocolate has not brought anything new to this thread, and is therefore, a scummy lurker.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 22:44 GMT
#645
Lest I be accused of tunneling, next one's for Alderan.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
February 29 2012 23:25 GMT
#646
Nevermind, I don't have enough to post on Alderan at the moment. My bad!

After my fourth reading, it seems that you are most consistent than I previously believed.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 22:10 GMT
#704
If anyone's missed me, sorry I've been absent for the last day. Catching up to the thread.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 22:35 GMT
#705
Two posts that I want to quickly address before I go any further:

Post by DoYouHas
You were wondering what I thought of your case? Meh. Your argument that he's busy is pretty week. Point 2 is meta. Point 3 is something that I argued for in Day 1. Nailed point 4. Point 5 is point 1 again. It's a weak case, but I like content.

Post by k2hd
I really like the fact that in this post, you bring up the fact that Chocolate made this post, saying that lynching him would give the town info, then bringing up this post, where I say the same thing, only earlier. For some reason, it's good enough to lynch me, but not him.

Now onto reading some filters! Whoo!
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 22:41 GMT
#707
@gumshoe You're not the only one made sad by an inactive town.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 22:51 GMT
#710
On March 02 2012 07:44 Chocolate wrote:
We definitely do need to post more NOW and not wait until an hour or two before the deadline. Thisis hypocritical coming from me though because I am going to be gone for 1:30 soon.

Gum where do you stand on a nightfury lynch? an alderan lynch?


I like how you ask about a nightfury lynch. You make a (weak) case against him, he responds, you ignore his response, and now you want someone else to weigh in on it instead of ever defending your case.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 23:07 GMT
#716
@gumshoe not posting =/= lurking. A lurker is someone who posts just enough that you think that they are contributing to the town. Someone who's not posting at all is going to get modkilled. It doesn't make sense for us to argue for lynching a player who's going to get modkilled. If they show up at the last minute and start posting/voting like crazy, I'll be the first in line to lynch them the next day. Until them, I would consider them not playing.

That being said, you're right, phagga's vote doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 23:10 GMT
#717
To clarify, nttea hasn't posted anything in two days. test has posted some. I don't think he's lurking, but I haven't looked too hard at him (yet).
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 23:24 GMT
#719
Okay gumshoe, got a question for you.

Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot.

Who do you shoot?

Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 23:46 GMT
#724
I'm going to assume that nttea has a good reason for that, and he'd better spit it out rather quickly. Also, he's not the only one with a ninja vote. XD
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
March 01 2012 23:47 GMT
#725
@gumshoe Over the last day, you have said next to nothing about either of those players, other than you think phagga is aggresive. Tell me why you're so eager to shoot him with your only bullet.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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