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On February 28 2012 06:32 Chocolate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2012 14:22 Janaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:06 Alderan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2012 13:59 Janaan wrote:One thing that stands out most to me about Ghost's posting is this gem right here Show nested quote +Another way to look at that is if you are still left during day 3 after 2 mislynches. There are 6 townies and 4 scum. The scum are either (1) forced to work together to stay alive, and are pretty easy to spot or (2) are going to sacrifice one of their own. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong, the worst case scenario for day 4 is 5 townies to 3 scum. No problem.
He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think. 1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight. 2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem". Janaan, talk to me about Chocolate. I agree that Chocolate does seem a little wishy washy, saying stuff like then he seems to say at least slightly differently in his next post It seems to me that for the most part, though, his posts are fairly consistent with the idea of lynching lurkers in mind. I don't really know what Show nested quote +That sounds like a good idea. I really can't see any problems with that tbh, and it works well for me because in the event of a massive vote swing I probably won't be online to provide input. was about, and it does seem like he could be just trying to cover for himself so he can justify not being active near the voting deadline. Particularly when he did say that he'd most likely be online . 17-21 EST is the hours before the deadline, so he may've contradicted himself there. There's not really enough for me to call him scum right now, but he looks like he could be potentially. Saying something is probable and that I'm not sure of it doesn't seem contradictory to me at all. Isn't that what you mean when you say probably? 17-21 EST is right before the deadline except the last hour, so I'm notcontradicting myself. Honestly if your case on me is because of these that's pretty fishy, either you're sheeping or you're voting along with the mafia (possibly both).
To me Probable is more strong than saying you're not sure of it. But I could just be arguing semantics here.
Also, if I was merely sheeping/voting with mafia like you suggest, I would've voted for you. As it is, I just found a couple things I felt were a bit odd and commented on that.
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On February 28 2012 07:55 Alderan wrote:
Janaan where would you place your vote if deadline was in 5 minutes?
Right now, I'd say it has to be between Chocolate and igabod.
Igabod since he's lurking heavily and it'd send a message not to lurk.
Chocolate, of all the people with cases against them seems the most scummy to me, and I can't quite put my finger on why exactly. But it doesn't make him scum. I think DYH makes a good point about how it's coming together a little too nicely when I can see all of Chocolate's posts from a town perspective.
Unless something else comes up, I think I'll be sticking with ##Vote: igabod
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On February 28 2012 08:32 Alderan wrote:
Reason I don't vote for igabod is as of now he stands to be modkilled, correct?
If he doesn't show up in the next 3.5 hours and votes, yeah, he'll get modkilled or replaced.
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Steveling is a possibility, but right now, it's just a WIFOM argument about why he doesn't want to play. I think if we have better ideas it would be better to wait for his replacement to come in and just watch the replacement carefully.
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On February 28 2012 08:29 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 28 2012 08:26 Janaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 07:55 Alderan wrote:
Janaan where would you place your vote if deadline was in 5 minutes? Right now, I'd say it has to be between Chocolate and igabod. Igabod since he's lurking heavily and it'd send a message not to lurk. Chocolate, of all the people with cases against them seems the most scummy to me, and I can't quite put my finger on why exactly. But it doesn't make him scum. I think DYH makes a good point about how it's coming together a little too nicely when I can see all of Chocolate's posts from a town perspective. Unless something else comes up, I think I'll be sticking with ##Vote: igabod Janaan I ask that you consider voting for ghost, I really don't like how drastically sloosh's style has shifted, even alderaan who seems like he's playing a convincing town hasn't changed that much in terms of tone from last game when he was scum, sloosh sounds like a different person and I would like to put pressure on him by attacking his potential proxy, ghost.
The problem that I have with this is that if SlOosh and Ghost were both scum, I doubt that SlOosh would be the first to call Ghost out. Maybe it's a bit WIFOM to say that, but all it did was bring more scrutiny to Ghost on Day 1, which is something that no scum team would want to inflict to themselves.
I do agree with SlOosh's change in posting style, though. It's a pretty big change from his previous two games. I can understand him wanting to be a bit less aggressive this game, but it does seem a bit out of character.
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EBWOP: I'll be gone for about 30-40 minutes, gotta go make some dinner. But I'll be back in plenty of time before the deadline.
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On February 28 2012 10:20 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:14 DoYouHas wrote:
It is possible Qatol is WIFOMing the crap out of us with, "I'll also confirm that he has not hacked the mafia QT." But otherwise he just confirmed FF as town. I see... I don't like to get into that kind of stuff, and urge the rest of you not to either. Task at hand, lynch, 1:45 minutes. 3 options in my mind are: Chocolate igadob Steveling I think a good compromise between my last post and the people on igadob/ We vote Steveling, we're killing a lurker that we don't know, and he's voting with the others that I find suspicious.
I would be ok with Steveling personally. To me, there's not much reason to vote for one over the other, my only concern is that there's not enough time to get enough votes on Steve to actually lynch. As it is, we seem to be at a deadlock between Chocolate and igabod.
DYH, I'm sure at least one replacement will be found, so I don't think that we're in any danger of two people dying here. The only difference is that if we lynch Steve, the replacement would be for igabod, where if we lynch igabod the replacement would be for Steve.
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On February 28 2012 10:33 ghost_403 wrote:
Remind me again, why are we voting for igabod?
Because he's not posting at all, which isn't a pro-town thing to do.
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What it's coming down to is that there's 4 votes on Chocolate and igabod each. There just aren't enough people online who aren't dead set on a no-lynch to get those last 3 votes either way. With 20 minutes left, I don't see how we can avoid a no lynch unless someone else gets on.
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On February 29 2012 05:35 TestSubject893 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok guys, I've caught up on the thread now. Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play. Anyway, on to my thoughts.. Thoughts on Day 1 VotingI was torn between thinking that all of the push to vote igabod was useless and counter-productive, and thinking that it was a good alternative in to a no lynch in a spot where we didn't have a lot of information. When I had only read up to the end of Day 1, I was definitely suspicious of Chocolate, but knew his case was far from 100%. As such, I want to look back and say a no lynch was clearly the right move, but if I had had to cast a vote, it probably would have been for Chocolate, since he seemed to be the most likely to be scum at that point in time. Current Reads+ Show Spoiler +Some of these are dependent or conditional on my thoughts of other people, so I'll try my best to order them in the way that's easiest to consume in order. - He is definitely the player I'm most suspicious of right now. In addition to the other points mentioned in the recent cases against him, his attempts to get players to move from igabod to steveling make me think he has some information about igabod that everyone else doesn't. nttea (igabod) - I really wish I had more information here. Right now its basically a null read, but if Alderan flips red, my suspicion of him goes up drastically. Janaan - Someone suspicious, but he seems to be getting a decent amount of scrutiny right now, so I'm confident we'll have the information we need before the next lynch comes around. I think he also looks scummier if Alderan turns out to be mafia. Chocolate - As has been noted, he's been pretty aggressive and someone willing to target anyone. This makes me want to keep an eye on him. gumshoe - For as active as he has been he hasn't really said that much meaningful. I think he probably deserves more scrutiny than he has gotten, although I'm far from ready to lynch him. sloosh - His early inactivity had me suspicious, but I'm back to a null read on him after his posts lately. zelblade (FourFace) - I feel like he may have been put in a hard spot here. FF's posts seemed pro-town to me, but I don't know how much to trust that info given the crazy/troll nature. I'm definitely leaning townie on him, but new info could change my opinion quickly. I wish I had more information on: JekyllAndHyde, phagga, k2hdSome of these are time zone/RL issues, but the jury is still out on these 3 for me. I could definitely still go either way. Basically neutral reads: DoYouHas, NightFury, ghost_403Early suspicions of ghost seemed to get cleared up pretty well. I'm not ready to call pro-town on anyone this early, but these three are on the right track.
I'd like to hear a bit more from TestSubject if possible. I just have a couple questions for him about his reads post.
First, you say that before the vote, you would have voted for Chocolate if you were given the chance. Now, you just say you're keeping your eye on him. So you went from "most likely to be scum" to maybe scum, maybe not scum. What changed?
Second, you find me scummy. Why not pressure? As of yet, there aren't even any formal accusations, just a couple people posting reads on me. What do you find scummy about me?
I'm also a bit confused about why Alderan flipping red makes me more scummy. Considering that he's the one who first said that he found me scummy, I would have thought the opposite. What's your logic here?
Now that JekyllAndHyde and phagga have posted a bit more, are you getting anything from them, or do you still need more information?
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Fair enough. That's all the questions I have for you right now.
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Well that was a bit....unexpected. Good luck town, take out those scum!
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On March 09 2012 05:49 EternaLSC2 wrote:
As a person who was spectating the entire game, i was a bit dissapointed by how things ended, so i want to try to top this. @dreamflower&Qatol, will you be hosting another newbie mini mafia or? i got on too late for SNMMVIII.
Also sloosh, im very surprised that you werent lynched, but that was some brilliant play on your part.
There's a spot open in SNMM8 if you still want to join.
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