Newbie Mini Mafia IV - Page 2

k2hd

In my opinion, he is unnecessarily drawing the attention away from FourFace to start with.



There is no such thing has others have done enough, even if everyone had gone through a persons filter ten times, someone else could still find something that others have not noticed.



You are right that his "pressure vote", is totally useless and says nothing. I do not understand why do you considering being insistent on lynching suspicious? The only way the scum dies in this game is by lynching. (Well, with the obvious exception of a vig possibility, but even they have only one shot in newbie games usually.)



FourFace's play up to that point is by no means pointing him out as town in my opinion, and considering it was still the early stage of the day, what does a vote hurt? It may force out more reactions, and it certainly is no harm unless it is thrown around as something of no value, by constantly changing it. Which ghost did not do in my opinion, although moving it a few times.



It may not always be worth it to constantly poke at a lurker. Most people should acknowledge someone is MIA, and everyone constantly asking the MIA person something isn't necessarily going to change that. Rather use the effort to get out more content from the current active people, and if the lurker has no legit reason as to why he is not contributing (but does enough to avoid modkill), then it's quite clear that he should be pushed more.



Why on earth would you go for a no-lynch on D1 if you could.... It seems like you are scared to take any responsibility in whomever ended up being lynched, as your only choice of vote is a lurker.



The two bolded parts do not make any sense to me. Why did you not vote for someone you were initially suspicious of? Just because someone may come back with good arguments while you are away, does not mean that they couldn't be scum. What are you were doing by keeping your vote for a lurker, you were one of the persons to cause a no-lynch.

If you had voted for ghost or chocolate, and they had came out with a convincing defense, I am sure the town would not have lynched them regardless of your placeholder vote. But if they seemed scummy, the town would have had a much better chance at lynching them for not missing a vote, if you get what I mean. I don't see how your voting was pro-town.

Also, as a townie, why would you ever NOT want to affect the outcome of the lynch? Your primary mission as a townie is to affect the outcome of the lynch, to sway it towards a mafia member and get them killed. If every townie was thinking like you, that would be equal to letting the mafia decide every lynch, which would obviously result in the town losing.

In my opinion, you are just trying to give yourself an out/excuse for bandwagoning without needing proper reasoning for it. Not everyone is a "town leader", but no townie should sit beside and follow the supposed "town leaders".




The above just looks like a bunch of nonsense speculating to me. I do not see how useful your theorycrafting about how Alderan may or may not post a weak or a strong case and let someone tear it down. Neither do I find useful how you are implying that you are suspicious of Janaan, but say you don't have anything to back it up with. If you are suspicious of someone, why would you say it aloud that you have nothing to pressure them with? That just lets the mafia calm down, knowing they haven't made a mistake yet and not needing to worry. I also find it slightly funny how you talk about Alderan shoving himself into the spotlight, and why would he do that if he was mafia? Only to find him quiet down later....



... I just hate when people do this. Why would you need to assure someone that you don't have a scum read on them? Unless you are trying to buddy up with someone. Mafia isn't a game where you should be afraid of stepping on someone's toes. Mafia is a game where you SHOULD step on someone's toes, and see how they react after.



If you are not trying to make your actions look any more meaningful, why would you need to bring up the fact that you were the first to vote for someone? It does not matter whether you are the first, the second, the third, or the last, or anything inbetween that to point out/vote/suspect someone. What matters is the content you provide to prove that person is scum.



I agree, it's certainly no strong point on anyone. But I do not either see why you would need to specifically point something to the people who suspect you. Everyone else wants to know your reactions just as much, and if you play this game by "only reacting to those who ask something of me", then you clearly have your hands dirty on something.



We do not need to hear epic theorycrafting about the night-kill. Most likely only the scum knows why they killed someone.




Not sure if this is just a mistake or done on purpose to try and fish for a reaction / make the others convinced that zelblade is a blue.



Why are you soft-defending Alderan? How would you know what he is doing unless you've planned it out together? Then you also claim chocolate is more and more likely town, without providing any reasoning, just clearly letting everyone know. And then more theorycrafting about if Alderan would be scum, why would he do "such a bad decision." Well, no-lynching is not pro-town play in my opinion. A no-lynch is a free kill for scum, and it's always better than a scum lynch for them.

And right away you are trying to convince nttea on someone else. Why so focused on defending Alderan?



Why do you find the need to make a case on someone being town? As far as I know, chocolate wasn't under that heavy pressure that he would've needed help of someone else to convince others of his townyness. I don't like at all how you are defending certain people.

It's like you are trying to belittle his play on purpose, and try to set him up as a newbie town. Why would you want to do that?



As mentioned a dozen times before, why would you try to need to make something look better than it actually is?
The obvious reason for the second bolded: He obviously doesn't want Alderan to get lynched, so he is trying to propose an alternate (town) target instead.

At this point reading your filter is making Chocolate & Alderan look worse and worse to me, which are both on my possible scumlist. (Scum: Alderan/kh2d/DYH/slOosh, Suspicious of: Testsubject/Chocolate) <-- This is for those that are not up-to-date with my reads.



And we needed to know this because?



It still doesn't matter whether you are the first or last to make a case, being the first one to make a case, especially if it's poor does not certainly make you look any more town. The whole paragraph above is written in a mindset "I want him to look suspicious for tunneling my scumbuddy". Or at least that's how I read it. Hard pressure and tunneling are different.



Why is encouraging a lynch on someone trying to gain the trust of town? Any townie should try to push for the lynch they are suspicious of, I think you are purposely misreading this aloud as "trying to gain trust". In my opinion, the whole meaning of this post of k2hd's is to protect his scumbuddies and try to cause suspicion against two town players. (Defending Alderan + Choco, Accusing ghost + phagga).

Of course I can be wrong, but this is how it looks like to me.



This looks like trying to cover up for bad scum play early on. At the start you had clearly pointed out your suspicions on Alderan, which if you both are mafia members, would give in-between interaction for, which is something the scum usually forget since they are careful of not blaming each other too much. Now that someone picks up on your quick moving to others, you start convincing everyone how you never were more than only a bit suspicious of him.

Bolded makes really no sense to me. Issues, really? If you can't look at every case from a neutral point of view, I don't understand how you can be a townie. As pointed out before, I just think this is even more evidence that Alderan & k2hd are scumbuddies, I see no reason why you should need to defend a fellow townie that is clearly able to defend himself from such claims.



How would you KNOW that chocolate flips green unless you have a DT check on him? Scumslip?



A response to a pre-set-up accusation between two scum? It looks to me like you are trying to cover up that you buddied up to Alderan by defending him earlier by now getting him to accuse you.



Easy jump on someone that eventually was nightkilled as medic?



More fake-interaction between the two scummies. If anything, this should finally convince everyone we aren't both scum, right?



Did you point this out on purpose to make him look better incase someone caught up to you and Alderan? You just keep talking about your townie reads all game long, that is still not helpful.



The fact that gumshoe ended up flipping green doesn't make this look any better to me, I still don't like how you are theorycrafting with such "outside" reasoning. You even say yourself it's just speculative stuff, but you still keep bringing it up. Why?



Are you genuinely confused or just worried that your scumbuddy would not be able to defend himself? I think everyone should be smart enough to realize that if someone has posted a reason for their absence and people are jumping on it, then some people on that bandwagon are up to no good. The cases should be evaluated, if they are convincing and good enough to make everyone agree that he is scum, lynch. If not, then wait until more information is gained and lynch someone that is more likely scum.



You again bring up how someone was FIRST to something. It. Doesn't. F*cking. Matter! >_>
Why would mafia only want to hide if they are able to take control of the town by being active posters, gaining everyone's trust, and leading them from mislynch to another? I also like the two "and I don't see why mafia would want to do this", after each other.



Why would they not? Not the first time the "newbie town" - card would be pulled, it's surprisingly common. You are pushing for this townyness way too hard in my opinion.