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On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM
wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA.
How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME.
VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck?
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On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation.The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all
why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me?
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On February 28 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:54 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation.The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? why shouldn't they? now you've delved into the realm of WIFOM; congratulations, you are now helping waste all of our time more efficiently.
Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia?
Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE
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On February 28 2012 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:54 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
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why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation.The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? why shouldn't they? now you've delved into the realm of WIFOM; congratulations, you are now helping waste all of our time more efficiently. Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia? Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE I see you want to continue wasting time. So you're scum then? How goes the QT?
It's not wasting time.
Remember AC when noone was asking who got RB'ed the next night? That's what syllo said to me and it was, according to him, one of the most important question to ask.
You want to tell me that kind of thing is wifom as well because "hell, for all I know mafia could just chose to note use their RB TO CONFUSE TOWN". No mafia would not do that. What I am talking about is not wifom, just like mafia doing /dance is not a possible explanation to why we had no kills n1. Yet you're not telling me "well that's wifom! Mafia could have willingly chose to not shoot at all to confuse town!" because you know noone would do such a thing.
You didn't realize that I had to be mafia according to what you said because I know I can't be mafia and didn't think about it. It's that easy.
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On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing
holy shit it's irc mafia all over again:
Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM"
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On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense
wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that?
If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well?
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On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote:
Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.
Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?
he's pretty bad and sucked in AC as well. He's a null for me so no I don't want to lynch him.
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On February 28 2012 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
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you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that? If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well? there's two possibilities here 1. you don't understand what WIFOM is 2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion. You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying. It's no wonder we both want to kill you.
I know what wifom is, nevertheless assuming I am mafia would be the BY FAR most reasonable explanation. You did not see that and didn't even think about it.
After all it's still to some degree a game of robabilities. Would you say "A looks good, he was the first to point out X, Y and Z could be mafia and A heavily pushed them" is wifom as well because it could be possible that A bussed 3 of his mafia members to get towncred and win the game himself?
Of course you would not because it's a possibility there's no reason to assume that kind of bullshit unless you got a PRETTY good reason to assume that kind of stuff.
Assuming VE is a mafia trying to build a counterwagon while getting himself killed (if it were up to you) is just so incredible unlikely.
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On February 28 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They're actually totally right Toad - the fact that I'm not voting for you is NOT indicative of my alignment. While I agree that if I were scum, I'd have taken the gift of a town-Toad mislynch lain before me in the case of town-DocH and town-WBG, the fact of the matter is that I think WBG is scum and I think you're town being setup for easy mislynch.
it's not you're alignment I'm intrested in, it's mine. It's either you are Mafia + I am mafia OR you are Town + I am mafia for wbg.
Yeah calling you confirmed is a little too much but I'd still say it's unlikely you would do that as mafia.
Why should he push for someone else if in both of the possible cases I am mafia?
Well there is a third case, we're both Town, but that would mean that 2/3 of his "if we lynch into those 3 people we're 100% going to get mafia hanged" list would be wrong.
Of course that one sounds pretty reasonable for me because I know I am town and I am pretty sure you are now as well but with WBG's assumption there is literally no reason to think that.
That's the big point. You could be a mafia protecting me or you're a confused townie but you sure are no mafia derping yourself to save a townie => I have to be mafia according to what wbg said.
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On February 28 2012 12:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why are you assuming he's pushing WBG to "save" you?
You're sooooooooooo implicitly guilty
ok let's explain this once again:
What would be another explanation?
Again, the case we're talking about is:
I am mafia, VE is mafia, You are town, WBG is town and 3 or so people are pushing me because I did a scumslip according to you.
Why should VE push wbg instead in that scenario? Of course that's what VE is doing if you believe that I am mafia, VE is mafia and you two are town.
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Again it's not about VE's alignment. In every single Explanation wbg could come up with I am mafia and VE is either mafia or Town.
He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"?
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On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive.
do you still remember me in irc asking about claiming mafia? ❤
Maybe my "scumslips" are me being overconfident claiming mafia as mafia again because I think I'm immortal :p
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On February 28 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why would a scum VE push you if you're also scum?
Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation.
I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw
You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now.
Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe:
1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3
2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you.
3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc.
Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum!
On February 28 2012 12:26 Toadesstern wrote:
Again it's not about VE's alignment. In every single Explanation wbg could come up with I am mafia and VE is either mafia or Town.
He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"?
I think VE is town, that's not the point. WBG has to think I am mafia if he really thinks I am town. He does not realize that fact because he's not thinking about it. Stop talking about VE's alignment. That's another neat point I figured out given I know my own alignment and it is to some degree wifom but it's not what I'm talking about.
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On February 28 2012 12:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
"WBG has to think I am mafia if he really thinks I am town."
what the fuck are you talking about i have no idea when wbg even entered the equation because a few pages ago you were saying VE is confirmed by not voting for you
sry my bad "WBG has to think I am mafia if he really is town"
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On February 28 2012 12:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why would he "think" you are mafia if he is mafia what the fuck even is your point you make no sense
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If he really is a townie there's a couple of explanations for what's happening right now and why I am pushing him, why VE is pushing him and all this stuff.
Every single explanation I can think of includes me as a mafia and VE either being mafia or Town.
His conclusion should be "Well VE either is Mafia or Town but Toad has to be mafia". Of course there's a last possible explanation but that would mean that both VE and I am town which he is not willing to believe, therefore he should be pushing me like a mad man.
He is not.
It's either
1) I am mafia + VE is mafia,
2) I am mafia + VE is town,
3) I am town + VE is town.
I am town + VE is mafia is downright ridiculous. wbg ignores the 3rd one because his 3/3 one list is 100% certain right according to him. Now look at explanation 1 and 2 and tell me who you'd lynch.
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On February 28 2012 12:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why would he "think" you are mafia if he is mafia what the fuck even is your point you make no sense ... If he really is a townie there's a couple of explanations for what's happening right now and why I am pushing him, why VE is pushing him and all this stuff. Every single explanation I can think of includes me as a mafia and VE either being mafia or Town. His conclusion should be "Well VE either is Mafia or Town but Toad has to be mafia". Of course there's a last possible explanation but that would mean that both VE and I am town which he is not willing to believe, therefore he should be pushing me like a mad man. He is not. It's either 1) I am mafia + VE is mafia, 2) I am mafia + VE is town, 3) I am town + VE is town. I am town + VE is mafia is downright ridiculous. wbg ignores the 3rd one because his 3/3 one list is 100% certain right according to him. Now look at explanation 1 and 2 and tell me who you'd lynch.
just to get this clear. That's what a townie should think. He doesn't think that way, therefore I think he is no townie.
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well if you don't undertand what I'm talking about it's maybe possible that wbg doesn't understand it either 
Still want to lynch either wbg or RoL
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On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous.
He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too.
Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad.
so you didn't understand it after all
And I never based my vote on how it will affect peoples perception of me. You're making that up and I already responded to that one. The post you're quoted had nothing to do with my vote but was a mere sidecomment. I unvoted BH a lot earlier because I thought he's could be confused townie or a mafia who does that on purpose.
I revoted BH later again because I thought it's still a coinflip and to get rid of someone who would have been an issue the next day. Not to begin with the fact that noone was in here d2 and a switch was not possible because
1) noone was here
2) I was one of the fewer people saying BH could be a townie.
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On February 28 2012 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 14:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous.
He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too.
Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. so you didn't understand it after all And I never based my vote on how it will affect peoples perception of me. You're making that up and I already responded to that one. The post you're quoted had nothing to do with my vote but was a mere sidecomment. I unvoted BH a lot earlier because I thought he's could be confused townie or a mafia who does that on purpose. I revoted BH later again because I thought it's still a coinflip and to get rid of someone who would have been an issue the next day. Not to begin with the fact that noone was in here d2 and a switch was not possible because 1) noone was here 2) I was one of the fewer people saying BH could be a townie. You explicitly stated you were reluctant to vote for BH because no matter what he flipped people will somehow think you're scum paranoid scum behavior
I said the 2nd part of your phrase because it happened to me 2 games ago. I never said that I'm reluctant to vote BH because of that. I even said I'm going to think about the whole BH situation and decide if I'm going to vote for him again and I did vote for him.
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On February 28 2012 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
after i immediately torn into you for what you said
what strikes me as so odd is you were so sure about you getting lynched, but no one had really pushed a lynch on you yet. no one has been bandwagoning you and even today im the only person voting for you but you talk like you have half the town voting for you
no, not after you you said that. It was within the same post.
Well yeah because according to you guys I scumslipped. That someone people get lynched for rather fast if people believe it really is a scumslip, so yeah I got like 3 people attacking me withint 20 or so minutes (you, Tyrran and wbg?) because of that "scumslip" and you+wbg said we need to lynch me because of that "scumslip".
What's the reason you think I'm posting like I've got half the town voting me?
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