EPTOn March 03 2012 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?
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On March 03 2012 02:25 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout? RoL Early on i truly did not see the case on him. I do not believe that inactivty makes a player scum. This has been shown repeatedly in other game and in this game since we have had so many inactive players we know that some of them are definitely town. Whilst he lurked as scum in Purgatory, it was my understanding that he was genuinely busy. I think that lynching a player that is inactive is generally not productive and if they are actually busy then it is unfair (though this could be argued). I did not think the case presented by Dr.H on RoL had much merit. It appeared to me that nearly everyone voting RoL was voting for him based on the assumption that he lurks as mafia. I think that at the time we had better lynch candidates: VisceraEyes Blazinghand and Toadesstern. I am also not sure what RoL has done that makes him less scummy than BC, or even somebody like risk/cwave or chaoser/kurumi. His activity has been on par with Jitsu and much greater than Tyrrans. I think the main thing that made RoL different from these players was the attention he was getting because of alleged "meta". Then he "ragequit". Now i can understand why somebody would want to quit this game. I think we all can. But coming back to the thread to vote at the last minute is just not a town move. It is possible that he honestly did just open his laptop and discover that he needed to vote. But what he did is utterly deplorable if he is town. Toadesstern Based on what i saw in BCAC i can say that Toadesstern is very competant and playing the scums 8th player. Whilst he clearly put in effort, he seems to be putting lots of effort into deliberately shitting up the thread. On more than one occasion i have found myself halfway into explaining why what he is saying is utter crap, and then realising that pointing it out would not benefit town. I have tried to look at the reason for him to post the way he does. The most reasonable ones begin with "assume Toadesstern is scum". It is a shame then that this is also the case with his posting in BCAC in which he was town. Look at this shit (this was the first thing that came to my mind, i know i have mentioned it before): On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol He decides that BH is too scummy to be judged and then votes for RoL. That is absolutely unjustifiable as town! The reasons that he gave for that were bullshit. He openly admits to deliberately posting bullshit. But if he is VOTING based on something he KNOWS is BULLSHIT, then he is being SCUMMY AS HELL and we should kill him. Look at his /in post. On February 19 2012 23:44 Toadesstern wrote: /in I guess. Won't bullshit like last game, I promise. No weird experements, just normal playing without coin-tossing when pissed ❤ Have to make up for my last game after all. Look at a recent post On March 01 2012 17:32 Toadesstern wrote: I like bullshitting around. Imo it's a nice way to find out why someone's posting. There's lots of different people. People who are happy to finally talk about something like how bad X is and therefore don't have to come up with something themselves. People who are honestly confused about what I post. People who should know better. People who just aren't honest with their reaction. Oh and it forced people to talk. I like talking! Oh and it gives a lot of reactions :p Oh and I also like do exaggerate pretty often. That's my one big issue that gets in the way but luckily gives information as well although it makes me look pretty bad even if I am town and don't mean to do that. So no I VE, I really use terms like "confirmed" or "the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread" quite often imo. I think i should point out that this may be a defence mechanism. Toad has in the past done some very awful plays(coin flips) and now he claims to have a role that he did not understand and wasted. Perhaps he believes lots of what he says but he gets treated like a fool, so he pretends to be playing the fool on purpose, when in fact he is the fool. I would happily lynch him for that alone. My problem with Toad is that he posts so much bullshit i cannot assess whether or not he believes what he says. Because of this i cannot tell whether or not he is being scummy, by hedging or by spamming or by some/other scum like behaviour, OR whether he genuinely believes what he is writing because he has an absurdly unique way of thinking. He ruined Arkham city for me and he has ruined this game for me too. I will never sign up for a game with Toadesstern again. On balance i think they are both scum. I would prefer to kill Toad. I think VisceraEyes is the player most likely to flip scum. And i am not sure if i care more about this game or more about killing Toad. | ||
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How is that not wasting his claimed ability? Toad I think that the level of disruption you have caused has discouraged people from investing time and effort into this game. On March 03 2012 03:41 kitaman27 wrote: Are you also inferring that toad is fake claiming his shot on his scumbuddy RoL? I'm not sure I follow your logic layabout. I am inferring that he is either full of shit and does not think people will willingly analyse him. Or he is a very very foolish. The "it's rare for newer players to do X" thing is weak. | ||
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On March 03 2012 04:00 Toadesstern wrote: yeah. the guy that has called you scum all game just called me scum, he must be scum | ||
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I am town and you need to vote with me. I was rather unhappy to receive my role at the start of the game. In some ways it is interesting as it is quite powerful and it allowed me to think of the game in a different manner as i had to asses how to best use my ability to aid town. On the other hand i myself gain no real information, i cannot discover visits or alignments, i cannot call "bullshit" on a fake vig claim, i cannot talk to players privately myself and i cannot kill scum. I can let others talk, but all i really have is my vote. I am just as in the dark as a vanilla town. When people play stupid, that is a very frustrating place to be. I have tried to push my reads but my case on VE was buried under a pile of derp and my plan has been shattered. I am the Operator! This allows me to give two players PM abilities once per night. A quicktopic will be provided for the two players and they may communicate outside of the thread for the remainder of the gamme. I cannot see the quicktopic. The players alignment's are not revealed to each other. The plan Create a PM cicrle between players that i believe are:
Also, the more players introduced the higher the chance that mafia would discover/ become a part of it. By linking the players in a circle when one dies they could still communicate. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7pK53.png) I would either connect 3 players in a circle eg A>B B>C C>A, or if i was confident in another town read, 4 players A>B B>C C>D D>A, these players would be able to communicate privately allowing them to get better reads on each other and hopefull push better reads in the thead together. It would also create a group of near-confirmed town players who could then crush the late game. The Execution Night 1 On day1 i set about searching for townies. The best of these townies was syllogism. He was my coach in studen and i think he has a very good approach to the game and is an excellent scumhunter.I had reservations sbout his reads on day1, for example his reasons for accusing BC were very weak. Discussing things unrelated to scumhunting in the opening hours of day1 is not a good reason to lynch a player on day1, particularly when there are several players hell-bent on shitting up the thread. In spite of his poor push on BC i think his play demonstrated that he was town. He was actively trying to move discussion forward and he was attempting to lead town. I also think that it was unlikely that he would be scum, since his scum play is typically less active and quite obviuos, a mafia -aligned syllogism would have been quickly caught. Additionally, of all the players in the game i feel that syllogism would make best use of PMs, as i would expect him to catch bullshit if the person he talks with is lying to him. It was for this reason that he became the "link". Another player that i had a town read on was Wherebugsgo. In Tl mafia 47 i remember him playing very well, catching at least 8/16 scum. He was outspoken at times and he was agressive and sometimes a little mean. But he called bullshit when he saw it and he displayed an abilty to think critcally which appears to be quite a rare gift. In this game i had seen the same play from the same player. He has been abrasive and pushed his reads, he has called so much bullshit, and yet even he, has had to leave most of it untouched. He has also posted a large amount and he clearly cares about this game. night one i "masoned" syllogism and WBG. Night 2 Everybody seems to think that Dr.H is worth listening to, and from what i have read in this game and in BCAC he can look at situations intelligently and can make logical deductions. He had spoken much sense and he appeared to agree that VisceraEyes is mafia. His posting demonstrated pro-town intentions. He was also putting effort into the thread and i felt he would utilise the PM rights better than anybody else. I decided to mason Dr.H to syllogism, since i thought that Dr.H would be more inclined to engage in an open discussion with syllogism. Whilst i felt (and still feel) that all 3 were(are) town, i had most confidence in syllogism and i beleive that if mafia were invited to PM he would catch them and push them in the thread without revealing other players he was in contact with to them. But syllogism was kiled and i was brought back to square 1. night two i "mason" syllogism and Dr.H Night 3 By this point Dr.H seemed flustered. His reads had been all over the place and he did not seem focused. I was less certain that he was town than i had been previuosly. I therefore decided to link WBG to my next best choice: Kitaman. He is perhaps the only person that is still actively playing in the game that has acted like he has a brain. I considered adding Tyrran or BloodyC0bbler, but frankly i would not expect either of them to even use the qt as they rarely post in the thread. night three i "masoned" WBG to kitaman | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:34 kitaman27 wrote: He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit? Yes. | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with. So you are entertaining the idea that mafia would be given a role that allows other players to communicate privately? THIS IS WHY I HAVE PUT SO LITTLE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME, HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT? | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: But if you're scum, why wouldn't you have included beast-mode BC in your little "plan"....the only reason I can imagine is because that would be too obvious...especially if you were lynched and flipped scum operator - that would immediately implicate BC if he's scum too and in circles with people by virtue of his reputation alone. "Beast mode BC"? BC is know for good scumplay. So he would be hard to catch as scum, yes? BC is not known for his good townplay. So he is not an ideal choice, yes? Syllo thought he was scum. So linking him with syllo would be unproductive, yes? | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:56 kitaman27 wrote: Do you plan to switch off toad, layabout? Well he is scum, so no. | ||
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On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I'm scum layabout? You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes. You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you. You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim. | ||
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last night Tyrran did not because he is not the operator. Tyrran is scum. This is confirmed to me. ##Vote Tyrran | ||
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since i cannot mason myself and i would never mason somebody that is confirmed scum to me there where about 21 combinations that either he or i could pick. that he posted that before i hit post is ridiculous. | ||
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On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol. Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed. [spoiler="avenger vig" is weak if and only if you are bonkers]Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler + since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. | ||
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Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway. On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol. Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed. + Show Spoiler [avenger vig is weak if and only if you…] + Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler + since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. | ||
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Maybe scum can change a flip. | ||
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On March 08 2012 04:54 kitaman27 wrote: Who do you think we should lynch today? What do you think about BC? Yo, check the voting thread. | ||
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On March 07 2012 06:46 Toadesstern wrote: well guess what. IF I were a normal vig RoL would have flipped mafia n2. Since I am not I was not allowed to shoot him before n3 making it (thanks to our suicide bomber) the only time I was able to shoot him because if I decided not to shoot that night I could not have shot at all because it would have been lylo and I would have needed a townie lynch. You may whine all you want about how this "helps" people to aim but fact is I wanted to shoot a mafia n2 and was not allowed to because I had to wait another night resulting in shooting him n3 instead. Yes imo it IS a weaker vig because of both, the possible target requirements and the requirements to shoot in the first place. How can you not agree with that? If you think avenger is more noob friendly with downsides that's fine with me but that's not what I was talking about so please stop derailing. You so silly Toad. | ||
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On March 08 2012 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: No comment?  Kitaman what do you think about Player X? | ||
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