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oh VE might be a nice alternative as well.
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On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it.
That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else.
Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know.
I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie.
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yeah same here.
On another matter: I posted a couple things about VE and noone said a thing about it so I guess I should vote as well.
##vote VisceraEyes
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On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all?
I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum.
Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed.
mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^).
So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now.
##unvote
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On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.
I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable
Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie.
Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right?
KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias.
Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP.
But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time.
##Vote Rol
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On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
At the moment I have no way to tell but I lean inactive town based on the fact that I doubt he'd have the balls to troll and post gifs as scum.
Very few players are that gutsy as scum, IMO. Just look at regular trolls here: Kurumi only trolls when he's town and then when he's scum he's all serious because he's afraid of getting caught. Trolling brings you negative attention and I don't think he would do that unless he wasn't scared.
Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible.
don't make him comment on Rol bugs... if he does I have no idea what's going on anymore.
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On February 25 2012 05:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. There was a time yesterday when BH was a legitimate lynch candidate, yet I can't really find you commenting on him. Was there a reason that changed your mind or was it simply because you felt red was the better lynch?
You were afk around that time and bugs was not here either. I somehow got the feeling you were afk on purpose the way you posted what I just quoted.
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On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote:Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.
I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this Show nested quote +But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post. + Show Spoiler [Post on VE] +On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all?
I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum.
Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What a great an awful move for a town player to do! You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok am back.
Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well.
And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange.
In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar.
So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game.
I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now.
It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head.
Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for."
using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me, can you stop that in the (near) future please? 
On to what you actually said:
About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his feeling so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one?
About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either.
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On February 25 2012 07:34 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote:Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.
I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post. + Show Spoiler [Post on VE] +On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all?
I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum.
Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What a great an awful move for a town player to do! You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok am back.
Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well.
And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange.
In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar.
So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game.
I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now.
It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head.
Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either.
EBWOP :p
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I'm just going to ignore you from now on.
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On February 25 2012 09:18 Tyrran wrote:Okay guys, I've been a bit sick for the last day. Still not completly cured, but feeling good enough to read some filter and strat scum hunting. Blazinghand I feel like his posting has improved compared to day 1. His is pointing at potential scum slip, and i feel like he is actually trying to help town rigth now, and no longer just posting useless posts. Still not confirmed townie, but on the rigth track. Toad Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote:Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.
I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post. + Show Spoiler [Post on VE] +On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all?
I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum.
Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What a great an awful move for a town player to do! You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok am back.
Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well.
And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange.
In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar.
So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game.
I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now.
It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head.
Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. Toad delivers two strong scum read, and for both of them says he doesnt want to lynch them. I've got to say, layabout his rigth. Either they act scummy, in which wase they are lynch candidate, or they act towny, and should not be lynched. Also, he votes for RoL over those too without any reason, just to "get this rolling". He is basically defending both VE and BH by saying : "they look scum but hey, dont lynch them". Which to be honest is like the worst possible defence. RoL : His entire case against DocH seems to be seems to be revolving aroung DocH soft defending redFF. NOw if redFF actually had flipped scum, his case would make DocH a potential lynch, but as of now, with no flip information it feels really weak. I dont really see any good reason for pushing a DocH lynch. I'll put my vote on him, to pressure him to come post useful posts. ##vote RoL
What I was basicly saying all the time: I need more time to understand what's going on with VE because I am picking up town- AND mafia vibes. He can't be both at the same time, therefore one of the things I pick up has to be wrong. I don't know which one it is and I don't want to be moron that roles the dices like I did in AC. Therefore I said he looks scummy but I'm not sure of this yet because of something else I got which looks like a Townie, therefore I need some time to understand what's going on.
Compare it to rad's fake DT check in AC. By the time he posted people did not understand it was fake and it looked incredible townish because hey, it's a fucking DT check and he claimed another check on Sheth the day before that that turned out to be right. A bit later I realized that Palmar actually was the Batman and *breadcrumbed* that Radfield was Talia and voted Radfield because he was a confirmed mafia at that point. It's pretty much the same here. I got different issues, a couple directing towards mafia, a couple directing towards town and I haven't figured out what's going on yet.
How is that a bad thing? I am not sure of his alignment yet, therefore I am not willing to lynch him because I think I'm going to be able to understand this within a couple days.
About RoL: I am pretty sure I already mentioned him somewhere else or at least agreed to someone else thoughts on RoL. The 3 lynch options for me yesterday (RL days, it's 2am were I am right now) were VE, BH and RoL. As I am not sure abut VE and I think BH behaves weird. When I say weird I'm talking a about weird like "not the way I'd think he would given my conclusion" and yeah that's a gutfeeling. Take a look at L what I said about Palmar, take a look at what Sandroba was doing in TL Mafia XLVIII for references. I'm not sure what of those two it is.
Because of that it is obvious for me that my vote goes to RoL for now and I don't see a problem with that.
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On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out.
just for hilarity purposes: that's a lot of stuff you say :p
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On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way.
the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar.
If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?"
If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him.
If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?"
If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to.
Sad story, isn't it?
However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL.
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On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you
yeah because believe or not, I don't want to be lynched no matter if I rolled mafia or town. Because in both scenarios being lynched is not helping my team.
So what you're telling me is that you successfully figured out I'm not a VI? But that's of course wifom. I could totally be a VI trying to look pro-town to try and look like I don't want to be lynched. That would be so ingenious. Just imagine the faces of the people: "We're totally lynching that pro-town playing guy ololol" and the moment I flip VI they're all like W T F.
+ Show Spoiler +Just for clarification: Yes parts of this posts were sarcasm and are not meant to be taken seriously + Show Spoiler +
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On February 25 2012 12:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:08 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you yeah because believe or not, I don't want to be lynched no matter if I rolled mafia or town. Because in both scenarios being lynched is not helping my team. So what you're telling me is that you successfully figured out I'm not a VI? But that's of course wifom. I could totally be a VI trying to look pro-town to try and look like I don't want to be lynched. That would be so ingenious. Just imagine the faces of the people: "We're totally lynching that pro-town playing guy ololol" and the moment I flip VI they're all like W T F. + Show Spoiler +Just for clarification: Yes parts of this posts were sarcasm and are not meant to be taken seriously + Show Spoiler + if you think BH is scum then vote for him if you're town you're the last person who would get lynched if he flipped town, the fact that you're worried enough about town perspective on your own guilt to vote based on that openly is highly suspicious
Tell that wbg. He tried to lynch me in L ALL GAME LONG for saying Palmar is town, BC as mayor lynched Palmar d1 and guess what? The guy flipped town. WBG went nuts on me for the reason I stated above and said there's no way I could have possibly get that read if people like him, Supersoft, Jackal (?) and BC all thought Palmar was mafia.
It's all based on a true story dude. I'm not even making this up, that's the sad part here.
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I actually believe BH's claim as well. There is no way he would make up a floridian, is there? However it's a role that works for both sides so that's not really helping, at all.
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On February 26 2012 01:21 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 25 2012 19:13 Dirkzor wrote:
Shit I actually believe that claim =/ (haven't reread though) why, it wasn't factored into the vote at all What do you mean? I was talking about BH's claim. What vote? My vote? It was just my gut feeling when I read it the first time..
He apperently never used his doublevote. That's what DocH pointed out. Either it's bullshit and he isn't a floridian or he isn't aware of the fact that you have to tell palmar that you want a doublevote everytime you use it.
At least that's the way it worked in... whatever the number is...
He even said it's a "passive" bluerole so it makes sense that he isn't aware of that but on the other hand that's obviously a nice excuse for fakeclaiming.
However given how easy it is to just tell him "yo dude, you have to tell palmar to doublevote" and spoil his evil plan (if he is mafia) I just doubt that,
Looks to me like he has no idea what's going on, which is again hinting town imo, because a mafia player would have buddies telling him "yo dude, you have to tell palmar to doublevote". But that's of course wifom, especially now that I've said that and maybe he's aiming for that.
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It's basicly the same argument I had in one of my first minis ( I think the 2nd?):
Someone said someting along the lines "yeah but there's still 4 mafia alive, therefore we need to...." and it was a 12 player game with 3 mafias tops. That was a known fact. The guy was about to get lynched and the moment he said that it looked really weird because a mafia would know how many mafia players there are wouldn't he?
So it's either a really strong town tell or he did that on purpose to try and look confused to look like a townie. Or floridians are not the same way they used to be in .... whatever the number is...
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in TL Mafia XLVIII the 2nd vote actually showed up as an additional anonymous but I have no idea how it's done in this game but yeah it should show up somehow I'd say.
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That's what it was in TL Mafia XLVIII:
+ Show Spoiler +With 24 players alive, it takes 13 to lynch
List of Voters
Hier (14)
syllogism
Toadesstern
Anonymous
Palmar
Radfield
syllogism
Erandorr
redFF
sandroba
Refallen
Zephirdd
Palmar
Anonymous
Toadesstern
Lanaia
Jackal58
vaderseven
prplhz
I just copy & pasted the text... some of the votes are struck out, that's why some people are on that list twice :p
Simply doublevoting would prove that he is a floridian but given what I said that's not making a difference. If his breadcrumb was any good I'd be willing to say it's a townie for sure but that breadcrum he quoted is literally the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen. Even now that I've got someone pointing at it and telling me 'there it is' I'm not really sure of it. That could be anything and for me it'is just not a breadcrumb.
So it all comes down to wifom imo OR it really is a hidden, passive 2nd vote and there's no possibility to prove it.
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