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Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 16:11 GMT

#332

On February 16 2012 00:06 SpiritClown wrote:
And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.-

And the fact that i seem to lurk is because i'm inexperienced so i'm not so good at the game and i prefer to post something that might help instead of spamming (sorry for double post, i had yet to read all the posts done in my absence)

We have till 23:00 KST of today to vote for lynch right?

hello there scum.

Vote: SpiritClown

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 16:53 GMT

#334

Lady and Gentlemen I present to you the first scum

SpiritClown

Comparing this (his first game) to my first game (I was scum), I recognized an identical tone and style in posting.

On February 16 2012 00:06 SpiritClown wrote:
And the fact that i seem to lurk is because i'm inexperienced so i'm not so good at the game and i prefer to post something that might help instead of spamming (sorry for double post, i had yet to read all the posts done in my absence)

On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:

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I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies)

On November 27 2011 15:27 Mattchew wrote:
I honestly do not know what to say in this thread. I have no feelings as to who is scum and who is town, I don't want to point fingers and end up being wrong because I don't truly understand what I am reading.

On November 28 2011 21:16 Mattchew wrote:

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I think you are refering to me. This is the first time I have felt comfortable in saying anything. Before the clues it has all been politics and post analysis. I don't know how to decifer these things. I am much more comfortable talking about the clues. I think Ciryandor's linking to xttfc and kitaman's death holds more weight because it is a direct correlation but not as "in-your-face" as the syllo death palmar quoted. Either way xttfc has a couple fingers pointing at him.

I want to point you to the case Risen made against me (note, he was town I was scum)
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On November 30 2011 05:25 Risen wrote:
I believe Mattchew is a lurker-mafia. I do not think we should lynch him, I think he should be shot by lurker-vig.

Mattchew has a total of 11 posts since he made it in. Of those, 5 are defending zeks.

Having said that.

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Scum behavior. Maybe you're new, but now that everyone has been saying people need to post so people can get a read, I think it's time to start posting.

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Says that he's more comfortable posting now, and then posts useless fluff. Relies on other people posting their thoughts so he can point to them and say, "Oh but I was just following their logic!"

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On November 29 2011 00:41 Mattchew wrote:

On November 29 2011 00:25 Match wrote:

On November 28 2011 23:46 Mattchew wrote:
##vote ace
##vote risen

Curious as to why you voted these two.

Followed Palmar's 1 for 1 theory especially with ace calling so hard for his lynching while I write this. I figured that palmar can atleast leave us with double lynching if Ace is lynched first and actually turns out to be town.

Followed people's reasoning for calling out risen aka:
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On November 28 2011 23:10 Ciryandor wrote:
In any case, besides zeks, people have forgotten about Risen's post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12490813 and note the timestamp. It's before the nightpost came out, and after people called him out on it, he repeats the EXACT SAME POST http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12491027 after the update shows up. I don't see any real links to his profile from the possible clues in the deathposts, but his lack of response deserves some scrutiny.

On November 28 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:

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Yes, never underestimate how dumb townies can be.

But it's very unlikely, seeing as he promptly decided to celebrate living the night through before he had any way of knowing he would survive.

I'm cool with lynching/vigging/bombing/nuking him.

On November 28 2011 23:31 zeks wrote:
I must say that it is fair for you guys to incriminate me based on those clues but I assure you all I'm Town and if any of you have played clue games you'd know not to go by clues alone because mods tend to make them hard and vague (usually easier to spot as days go on). I'll be posting a write-up on a few people who I think are good lynches based on clues and behaviour.

Although I have taken notice of Risen's major slip which I don't believe is pure coincidence. This can be linked to him

Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest.

@Match my quote speaks of "woods" not forest

A backstory of my quote:
My quote from a poem by Robert Frost called "The Road Not Taken"

The quote really puts me on the chopping block cause anything with path or road or trail would be linked to me =| sigh.

Well thats my defense I don't know what else to say. I'll do my best to do some analysis before voting ends in the case that I do die.

Well at least he took note of the tiny clue Zeks posted when trying to justify a case against me. Be that as it may, he's using justification from Zeks, who would not want to point the finger at another mafia player. Zeks most likely went through the death notes and was searching for anything that would point to me, that way when people started voting for me it wouldn't appear that they were voting JUST based on a "scumslip". This is really good, because Zeks knows he's going to be lynched, by giving his scum brothers justification to vote me, they can all now say "Oh but the clues pointed to Risen AND he made a scumslip"

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Really? You think my one "scumslip" is the best read we have?

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Now that he sees Zeks is going down he's abandoning ship and just voting for Zeks. Honestly, it would be less scummy in my opinion had he stuck to his guns on this.

In conclusion, I don't think Mattchew has been contributing much of anything. He's lurking and using his posts to just follow other people's logic so he doesn't have to justify anything and can just point the finger to who "persuaded" him. He agrees now that Zeks is mafia but he still wants to vote for me based on Zeks' analysis of a clue? What?

Some points Risen made that I would like to re-use against Spirit

Scum behavior. Maybe you're new, but now that everyone has been saying people need to post so people can get a read, I think it's time to start posting.
Relies on other people posting their thoughts so he can point to them and say, "Oh but I was just following their logic!"
In conclusion, I don't think (SpiritClown) has been contributing much of anything. He's lurking and using his posts to just follow other people's logic so he doesn't have to justify anything and can just point the finger to who "persuaded" him.

Also, SpiritClown has done literally nothing in IRC even though he claims noone was talking. We were talking, and probably 1/3 of this game is Europe (if not more) that is not an excuse.
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212.log:[18:55:54] *** Joins: SpiritClown_ (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it)
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[18:56:10] <SpiritClown_> hi
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[19:01:04] <SpiritClown_> no one here?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[19:11:12] *** Quits: SpiritClown_ (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it) (Quit: Page closed)
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[21:11:51] *** Joins: SpiritClown (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it)
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[21:12:24] *** Quits: SpiritClown (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it) (Quit: Page closed)
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:35:33] *** Joins: SpiritClown (webchat@adsl-ull-120-176.51-151.net24.it)
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:35:41] <SpiritClown> hello ^^
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:36:03] <SpiritClown> who else is on now?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:37:38] <SpiritClown> i dont0Ã²... at least not completely
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:39:52] <SpiritClown> so aside from the guy spamming pm to know the roles who else do you think is scummy?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:47:19] <SpiritClown> nah, I'm a nice guy ^^ but killing a random guy is not helpful to us right now i think
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:48:31] <SpiritClown> so what should we talk about now?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:48:59] <Lanaia> SpiritClown, who do you want to hear more from?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:24] <SpiritClown> what? from who i want to hear more?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:33] <SpiritClown> about what?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:38] <SpiritClown> or about who?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:54] <SpiritClown> oh
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:50:25] <SpiritClown> why so spammy?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:50:48] <SpiritClown> if 2 don't do it mate
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:50:59] <SpiritClown> they are shutting it down in a little
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:51:16] <SpiritClown> also add me to steam palmar pls XD i also have beta (even if i'm newb)
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:52:50] <SpiritClown> why are we still talking about rgThewhat? i think we are just wasting time for now
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:52:55] <Lanaia> SpiritClown, i agree
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:53:47] <SpiritClown> so let's just talk about random crap... what do you think of the recent GSL?XDDDDDD
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:54:24] <SpiritClown> i have gsl in the morning, good luck whatching in europe

/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:54:47] <SpiritClown> in europe it's like at 10 am
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:55:07] <SpiritClown> europe or Korea?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:55:33] <SpiritClown> where i am it's 9:55 pm
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:57:13] <SpiritClown> well what about the ghost nerf?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:58:35] <SpiritClown> raven would be nice to see... dunno though...
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:58:51] <SpiritClown> how does mech requires more apm? just for the tank siege?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:59:06] <SpiritClown> i don't understand that
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:04:12] <SpiritClown> the thing about P is that it has the most spellcasters so it might be difficult for that
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:13:41] <SpiritClown> so... coming back to mafia... what do you think should we do? just wait?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:14:52] <SpiritClown> mhh might be a bit soon but maybe the guy asking for rolecheks on PM's...
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:16:03] <SpiritClown> y claims, sry new to the game expecially in english
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:16:09] <SpiritClown> so my terminology it's not the best
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:27] <SpiritClown> y, thanks

/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:38] <SpiritClown> he also claimed me scum for not telling him -.-
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:49] <SpiritClown> and saying everyone else told him
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:53] <SpiritClown> an obvious lie
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:19:18] <SpiritClown> y prplhz
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:19:39] <SpiritClown> oh is it him?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:25:00] <SpiritClown> u troll for the sake of trolling there's no more reasons needed
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:25:03] <SpiritClown> in general i mean
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:26:55] <SpiritClown> i was not talking about you
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:29:16] <SpiritClown> opinions about the new post in the thread?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:30:19] <SpiritClown>

/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:33:54] <SpiritClown> lol
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:36:31] <SpiritClown> y
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:36:50] <SpiritClown> should i post the PM or not?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:39:34] <SpiritClown> posted
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:42:17] <SpiritClown> i would have loved to claimed scum just to troll
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:42:39] <SpiritClown> XD
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:44:57] <SpiritClown> hi
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:54:38] <SpiritClown> hi
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:55:18] <SpiritClown> uat?
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[22:00:58] <SpiritClown> sry i dunno
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[22:08:19] <SpiritClown> well guys i would love to stay here more but i have to get up early tomorrow morning
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[22:08:30] <SpiritClown> so bye bye and see ya later

Also, this shouldn't be the foundation of my case, but the guys said sorry or sry 7 times in irc and thread

So far, I believe Spirit to be the most sure-fire lynch we have

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 17:37 GMT

#335

Thursday, Feb 16 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) is the end of the cycle I believe

About 22 hours till lynch(s) and night actions

(mod confirm plz)

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 18:39 GMT

#341

On February 16 2012 03:25 Ciryandor wrote:

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Confirming on the date, but I miscalculated by 1 hour, it was supposed to be 00:00 KST to give me time to write the update before sleeping.

Note that Night Orders have to be sent before the deadline; i.e. players will get both a day and night post in one single update.

so it is

Thursday, Feb 16 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

can you please include the next one in the day/night posts in this format so it localizes the time... thx!

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 18:59 GMT

#343

On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:
Now that u believe I'm scum i think i have done something wrong (because I'm not scum). As for missing analysis and "not doing anything to contribute" that's because I really have nothing to say... what should I do? If i just spam it's scum behaviour and if i don't it's scum behaviour because I'm lurking -.-

Contribute opinions to anything. A townie wouldn't be afraid to post his opinions on anything, even if they are wrong.

On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:Whathether... Honestly i think prplhz is scum (or scummy at least) because of his reaction to me refusing to tell him his role... that's the only thing I can honestly say... about the other people i don't know.

Why would you not say town? Its weird that you didn't

On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:Maybe i should just don't play like i do in every other game being nice to people and being sorry if they can't play since in mafia they all think u are scum if u do so...

You want sympathy?

hang scum

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 19:28 GMT

#347

On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:

Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-

And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me

And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.

I meant why wouldn't you just say to prplhz you were town. I understand why you wouldn't tell him trait and role.

Why aren't you on IRC even though you are active in thread.

You still haven't provided answers to many of my points against you and you just gave a town/scum read on me.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 19:28 GMT

#348

ghost get in irc too

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 15 2012 21:41 GMT

#356

Lanaia you got mderg to talk how about now you contribute something that isn't related to counting people who have voted or setup based... Like an actual vote on someone you think is scum... For the amount of time you've spent in irc and hovering the thread you have very little content that you can put your name to... Posting this on iPhone during 5 min class break

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 01:13 GMT

#386

On February 16 2012 10:10 sinani206 wrote:
typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot.

why do you typically die day 1

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 01:56 GMT

#390

On February 16 2012 10:53 sinani206 wrote:

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cause im bad

find me scum that hasn't attacked you and doesn't make you look bitter

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 04:06 GMT

#392

Fuck a defense just do some valid scum hunting

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 13:11 GMT

#410

On February 16 2012 21:59 froggynoddy wrote:
Hello all, sorry Its been a bit of a while, had a bball game yesterday and was too tired to do anything but have a bath and crash, will be on IRC this pm though.

Right, my reads:

Scummy

Firstly I would like to say I'm finding it really difficult to differentiate scummy with bad/noob play. That, and the fact that its Day 1 does not give me much confidence in my reads.

In no particular order:

1. Spiritclown

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Similar to what Paperscraps said this does not sit well with me. Again this could be language issues or just finding the game difficult (God knows I am). But both these factors could induce a slip-up though. His rather weak response seams to go in that direction also:

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Could still be just an honest slip up but this early in the game any evidence seems to be worth acting on.

2. [UoN]Sentinel

Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though.

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People I think might not be scum but aren't helping town much:

1. Sinani 206: As said previously you just don't seem to care. That hurts town as it makes you a suspect.

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Time to rethink your style of play perhaps?

2. Grackaroni: Ever since people have stopped suspecting you you have taken a back seat (apart form your tunnelling of Bluelightz.)

3. Zeurg: Inactivity hurts town. Looks like scum, makes us waste a lynch if not scum.

4. Kenpachi: Apart from defending yourself, being a bit dickish and telling everyone how much IRC sucks I don't see much substance. Obv nothing meriting a scum read yet but I don't like you. Saying that you are unpredictable as both scum and townie means that you cause as much chaos as a person can do. You would therefore not be a loss to town.

People I'm Worried about:

Palmar: I'm worried mainly due to your reputation and your relatively weak case against sinani:

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Palmar Iceland. February 16 2012 08:39. Posts 4747 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
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So, I think we should kill sinani206. The reason is quite simple. He has refused to contribute in to the thread in a manner that might actually help us find scum. Yet he's fine with hopping into the thread to call some random play bad. That's just posting for the sake of posting.

On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:
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townie lists are bad

i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does

This post serves no purpose in the thread. It's not even correct, while lacking any reasoning these lists aren't terribly useful, they at least give me an idea of how the player posting them is approaching the game.

On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:
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i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.

Normally when townies are cocky it's because they think they're right, but sinani is actually being cocky without even attempting to be right. Like being cocky isn't a scumtell in itself, because usually it's townies that are assholes. But the way in which sinani is doing it is very scummy.

The fact is, it's now very late in the day because of the strange deadline. And sinani has shown no interest in the game at all. The way in which he has shown and described complete disinterest in the game makes him very likely to flip scum.

I suggest we make him at least one of our kills for today.

##Vote sinani206

which is pretty weak, saying nothing about others players who are equally damaging to town. I realise this may be purposeful but... am worried. The only thing that makes me less worried is you said this pretty early on:

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Still, not liking someone does not make them scum, otherwise I would vote Kenpachi.

I have opinions about other players but this post has gone on for long enough.

Due to the above and current vote standings, and Town seems to want a double lynch I am therefore:

##Vote Spiritclown

PS: You have a great name. Small consolation I know.

WTF is this... you hang tomorrow

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 13:22 GMT

#412

On February 16 2012 22:21 Mattchew wrote:
##unvote: Spiritclown
##vote: Qatol

making the count 5 to 5
leaving this here to counter any last minute scum shanigans

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 13:24 GMT

#414

4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 13:38 GMT

#420

froggy pay attention.

vote spirit

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 14:00 GMT

#426

On February 16 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:
Problem here is that sinani206 can easily change his vote to SpiritClown to save himself and vice versa.

this is why im on whitney

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 14:53 GMT

#428

okay, if any vote switches or weird stuff happens. I will be the one fixing it. No one else try to respond by changing their vote

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 15:00 GMT

#431

we good

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 15:43 GMT

#435

On February 17 2012 00:33 mderg wrote:
stupid me... didn´t get my bus home, so I wasn´t able to vote in time

you had 60... 60 hours

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 16 2012 15:49 GMT

#440

fuck. gg.

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