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On January 26 2012 21:52 GMarshal wrote:
3/3 Chaos Followers Remain
?/? Chaos Cultist(s)
?/? Chaos Fatespinner(s)
?/? Chaos Plaguebearer(s)
?/? Chaos Hedonist(s)
4 scum roles, 3 scum?
Here's my take on roles
1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us
3/3 Chaos Followers Remain
?/1 Chaos Cultist(s)
?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s)
?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s)
?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s)
9/9 Imperial Forces Remain
?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen
?/1? Imperial Psyker(s)
?/1? Imperial Commissar(s)
?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos
DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE.
Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them
Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1
Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us,
On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote:
A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb,
No one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote.
Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again"
How many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay)
not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits
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12-3 -> 10-3
10-3 -> 8-3
8-3 -> 6-3
6-3 -> 4-3
~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<)
~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it.
~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker
Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT.
I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad.
Lurkers, hurt town how?
~Less possibilities for lynching
~Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.
I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post.
__ Votes him! lets vote him too!
I don't mind people suggesting who to lynch just, I'm scared of the fact that people might be sheep and after recent developments I'm unvoting Sinensis, though im still gonna watch him though.
Who the FUCK thinks that no-lynching day one is good
Okay, Unvoting Sinensis will wait for his response to the bandwagon on him and also,
Mderg: No posts *yawn*
Nisani: Might wait till he comes awake
Sinani:Same as Nisani
Baronfel:Sheep yo! one post only
Sinensis - See my previous post on him, waiting for a response from him till I can draw a conclusion.
Lastly, i'm gonna sleep now.
Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too!
Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number.
Vote Leaders, More easily sabotaged, the leader's opinion can be easily changed.
Voting early is scummy?, what is your problem with people voicing their opinions?. It opens up way for more discussion.
@Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb
Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him.
On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:
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On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this.
Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want.
Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that.
These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me.
This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess
On his first paragraph,
There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping).
Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________?
Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though)
I am voting him.
On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote:
Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis
On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote:
You guys make this too easy.
He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me.
Sinani please post some more, ty!
On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote:
For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.
1). Throwing votes early
~Is voicing my opinion bad?
2). Being indesicive
~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look
Get a derpin Majority our vote count doesnt look good.(4-3-1-1-1-1 split, not including mderg)
For Sentinel What you explained is preety good
On February 04 2012 08:04 Timeaisis wrote:
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On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:
On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote:
Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz.
It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia.
Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see.
Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum.
Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.
I'm still trying to figure out why you and sentinel are fixated on me. Is it the fact that I agreed with a lot of people early game and cast a vote for sentinel (which you're calling bandwagonging) after two others had done similarly? I just don't see how that makes me scum. Did I contradict myself or lie at some point? My acting "suspicious" is taken off of my:
1) early voting
2) general neutrality early game
3) agreement with some late game sound logic (mderg's analyis of Sentinel, which I still think is the best case against him)
Is that really that suspicious? I'm just trying to figure out why I have a targetpainted on my back. Yeah, my reasoning for sentinel may not be 100% steel trap, but he was my first inclination, other than you. So are you really calling me out because I'm sticking to my first instinct? I mean, sure that may be a poor strategy, but does it mean I'm scum?
In my opinion, I'm being pretty consistent. I've said in the beginning that I suspect Sentinel, bluelightz, and you. I have not changed my stance on that for since I first said it. So, from here, it seems like I'm getting votes because of my opinion on you and those other two.
the part that i italiced is what makes me think he's town now.
@mderg I'm sorry for accusing you for lurking, lets be friends <3?Anyway I'm unvoting him and we need to hurry up and find a lynch candidate x_x