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On February 04 2012 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Leaving signups for 1 more day. Sunday roles will be sent out + game will start. Why would you start a game on Superbowl Sunday... | ||
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But after the game is the time for crying (happy and sad). Plus I probably won't be very conscious regardless of result (Go Giants!) so I'll see everyone in game on monday lol | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:07 hiro protagonist wrote: Come on BC, start the game before anyone has a chance to out NICE JINX HIRO! | ||
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First three pages after start of the game were a big circlejerk and then the next three are just random accusations and shitty logic...I should have listened to GM about playing in games with lots of newbies... I hate all of you /end rant ##vote rgTheSchworz Read some of his shit... "I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions." "I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Terribad for us." "You, sir are Scum" and then..."And me be damned if this is not a pressurevote or a normal vote in any way: ##Vote: -_-Quails" I will post a bigger post after getting to the end | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:39 Tunkeg wrote: Either that or try contributing without QQ'ing all over the thread... It's like walking into a room for a party but instead a majority of people are taking big dumps all over the floor. You want to talk to people but walking around in a problem. So all you can do is hope people are drinking the infected water in the punch bowl and develop cholera and die off. In the mean time you just point at the biggest dump taker and say let's just hang that fucker outright. Get it? | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:50 kitaman27 wrote: BM I agree the strength of a mass claim is a potential threat to the scum team, but I'm not sure day one is the best time to pull it off. For it to work, the entire town has to agree to it or you're only outing the blues that decide to claim. Additionally, a large majority of the scum team can hide in the pool of vanilla town claims. Sure, it makes the people to claim blue look good, but confirming the town status of our dts, vigs, and medics does not seem like a beneficial trade in exchange for outing all their identities. I think I'd be more willing to consider it down the road. lolol chaoser complaining about noobs? How ironic. I don't see how it's ironic | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:51 Tunkeg wrote: No it is like an asshole comming to a party, and it don't turn out as he wants, but instead of going home he just to go around agitating everyone, until someone kick the asshole in the face... Are you going to be the one that kicks "the asshole in the face"? | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:53 chaoser wrote: Are you going to be the one that kicks "the asshole in the face"? BTW, you're the guy who wrote: "At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways. Losing him would be bad in the way losing a townie is bad, but getting Batman completely on our side would more than weigh up for that. " So you're taking pretty big dumps as well | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:00 Tunkeg wrote: I think I just did... Problem is that you got a concussion and is still talking jibber jabber. So I'll just leave you alone, ignore you and let the others cater you back to health. I don't see how you just "kicked me in the face" so yeah...Also what's jibber jabber? My quote of you equating a vigi to a townie and thus advocating that he out himself to Batman to be killed? That's real smart... | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:03 chaoser wrote: I don't see how you just "kicked me in the face" so yeah...Also what's jibber jabber? My quote of you equating a vigi to a townie and thus advocating that he out himself to Batman to be killed? That's real smart... Do you still stand by your idea of the joker outting themselves? You said my vote was a "easy bandwagon". What are you detailed thoughts on the rgTheSchworz guy? I don't think you've talked about/mentioned him at all in much more than a cursory view. Are you implying that he is a bad lynch and thus townie because he is an "easy bandwagon"? Who are your three scummiest reads right now? | ||
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If we have 16 blues claiming We don't know how many blues there are though... Note: Some names appear under 2 categories. These players will have to decide to be one or the other for their role. They are not both. Some roles might also have slight alterations to the "standard" although nothing game breaking. Not all names listed are guarenteed to be in this game, however only names listed will be in this game. Each role, much like Asylum, will have unique flavour text to make the gf style roles have more fun with the game. See Arkham Asylum for flavour text examples that I used for when you submit your role choice. | ||
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I'm FoSing anyone who is still on the dude, especially Cyber_cheese: On February 08 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Ugh still been catching up, just finished now. I feel like RG might be Hugo. Ico seems like a decent choice for lynch, if for some reason he comes up as a viable option, I could agree to swap. @BM, you are insane, but in an awesome makes the game more interesting way. Please never change! da fuk? Hugo? You think the GF is going to fake claim DT, making him not only have a spotlight on him for the rest of the game if he's not dying but also paint a big red target on himself for catwoman? How does that make sense??? | ||
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he posts: He does this every game, and it means nothing. I find it much much more suspicious that people are making a big deal out of this. And rgTS reason for voting for him is the thinnest reason I have ever seen. It is not scumhunting, it is not applying pressure, it is just plain distracting. but ends up giving his FoS in that post to bill murray. And then he himself doesn't scumhunt Bill nor does he apply pressure on bill, instead posting this a little later: Bill Murray Just fluff, a silly massclaim proposal (must be a joke) and a weakass vote for kenpachi. He thinks joker claiming is a GREAT idea and has yet to back off on it. His reasoning is bullshit (Batman will keep killing until he's killed off one of his targets and then he'll DT till he finds the last one, lol ok) He writes: As I have said before, if Batman gets Joker he can pretty much play a very pro-town standard game, as he then basicly wins with town When batman is already going to be playing protown anyway. Batman can only die to lynches so night kills don't even matter to him. He already "basically wins with town". He then says layabout is scummy but moves off it when he realizes the lynch is between sheth and CC. And yet he's barely talked about either one of them all day. He has a bunch of useless posts that mean nothing. If I couldn't vote for CC I'd vote for Tunkeg | ||
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On February 08 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not sure I like a CC lynch. It is pretty rare for a scum to post a plan guiding town's direction and generating discussion on day one. His thoughts about RG/Hugo don't really make much sense, but are they scummy? I haven't had a chance to read Sheth though, but I'll post again in a bit. If I don't like him, I'll try to suggest an alternate candidate (likely ico or kurumi). LSB did it in the hammer game I just played in. On February 08 2012 10:27 Kurumi wrote: I would like to lynch layabout or wherebugsgo. If we manage to do that, the other one dies during the Night. Can You help me swing the lynch? lol no. WBG isn't even CLOSE to looking scummy to me. layabout either. I just said tunkeg is scummy to me. Those are your two choices if you're trying to get me to switch. CC or tunkeg. Take your pick. | ||
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On February 08 2012 10:39 Kurumi wrote: Go Sheth. WBG is soft-defending him like he isn't. Also, meta. WBG is a lot more aggressive as town, a little as mafia but. He's REALLY active, like, being always on. This part is pure meta. And it's not even good meta. In the last few games WBG has been in, he's been a lot less active. And he's been town. That's a bullshit reason for thinking the guy is scummy. Also, when you say go sheth, do you mean you want me to switch my vote to sheth? | ||
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On February 08 2012 10:52 Kurumi wrote: Yes, I'd like You to vote Sheth. Except before you said both sheth and CC were bad lynches, aka you thought they were townie. In like the last couple of minutes. What's with the change of mind? | ||
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Kurumi, I'm here defending myself and actually caring. C_C isn't even here talking. On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote: kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots. Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea. Word | ||
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On February 08 2012 10:27 Kurumi wrote: I would like to lynch layabout or wherebugsgo. If we manage to do that, the other one dies during the Night. Can You help me swing the lynch? On February 08 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote: I think that neither Sheth or C_C are mafia. On February 08 2012 10:35 Kurumi wrote: Yeaaaaaah.. about my lynch.. There are two people who I'd consider really scummy who are voting me right now.. Bill Murray and layabout. Are You sure this is going to work out? Well, You're probably considering this because I am not trolling. On February 08 2012 10:36 Kurumi wrote: The funny thing is he thinks You're bad and ignored Your posts and said Your posts have nothing of substance without backing it up, then soft-defends Sheth calling him New Town for no reason, because a) Sheth played a lot of RL mafia b) Then, he is not new to the concept of mafia wait this might be a breakthrough I might vote Sheth. On February 08 2012 10:52 Kurumi wrote: I said it's meta. That's just unlikely for me to see WBG somehow not trying.. coupled that with soft-defending some people... Yes, I'd like You to vote Sheth. On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. On February 08 2012 11:59 Kurumi wrote: I could go after I voted qualis because that's the thing I am left with again. The only thing I am certain of now because I haven't overthought it. wtf...you change your read every five minutes...You went from layabout being your best read (asking me to vote for him) to WBG being your strongest read (and yet not voting for him) to saying qualis is all you "have left". all the while you're pairs your scum reads together. If taken all together, you have basically said you have figured out every single scum. | ||
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Your votes from when it started to matter: On February 08 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote: ##vote layabout On February 08 2012 10:38 Kurumi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Liquid'Sheth On February 08 2012 11:59 Kurumi wrote: ##vote -_-qualis | ||
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WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him. I don't understand this point...If he's your most scummiest, can't you make a effortpost on why he is scummy to you? And thus get people to lynch him? Why not take a stance instead of being wishy washy? I see stuff that you wrote on him but they're spread all over and seem weak in general. Why not just make a big post on why you think he's scummy? Also, like people said, you claimed you are vigi, might as well give the name. Regardless, you're going to get shot tonight. Also, STOP FUCKING CLAIMING EVERYONE | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:26 Kurumi wrote: I think attracting three bullets during the night is better than one. No. well ok that makes sense | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why would mafia waste three bullets on you if you don't say name versus only one if you do? That doesn't make sense unless you're the Joker. If you're the Joker you're still gonna get guarded. Your argument is as impressive as wet clay. He's saying that because he only claimed vigi that mafia, batman, AND catwoman would all have to shoot him to see if he's one of their targets or not. Mafia obvs want to kill blue roles (vigi), batman wants to kill the joker (a vigi) and catwoman wants to kill Penguin and Two-Face (both vigis). Though I guess it could turn into a WIFOM thing where one of multiple of them decide not to shoot cause they think the other group will shoot. I dunno, i can see the logic behind a "no name claim" stance but I don't know if it really matters or not in pulling more than 1 bullet. | ||
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Though I guess it could turn into a WIFOM thing where one or multiple of them decide not to shoot cause they think the other group will shoot. (This is most likely to happen. The difference is whether he'll draw one bullet or two) | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Cyber_Cheese is Batman and he thinks I'm the Joker, I'm pretty sure this is the case. If there are only 7 minutes left is there any point in switching my vote? You lose nothing by role claiming unless you are Batman. This is the only player who can't claim right? I mean...batman can pick whatever he wants other people to see him as. I don't see why batman can't fake claim. In fact batman SHOULD fakeclaim if he's about to be lynched as a blue like vigi or DT since mafia won't be able to shoot him and town isn't going to want to lynch him either. I don't think CC is batman or else he would have fakeclaimed by now. | ||
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On February 08 2012 20:15 Toadesstern wrote: Well without my claim catwoman probably would have just shot into that. Now she's probably going to DT either me or him first and at least won't shoot Schworz. Maybe she's going to shoot me, I don't really care. Maybe she's calling bullshit on both of us and rnd-DT's someone else because she wants to find penguin. Maybe she shoots randomly into town. I really don't know but I'd say it's pretty likely that she's going to DT tonight. And Mafia has to find out if I really am imba or if I fakeclaimed and only want to catch bullets as a VT/Vet. They can't allow a DT to rampage all over their faces. schworz claimed DT. He's going to get shot regardless of whether you claimed or not. If not by catwoman then by mafia. In fact , by claiming two-face, you have taken away the WIFOM part of mafia and catwoman deciding if they want to kill him or not. Now mafia will definitely shoot at the guy. So really, you saved no one. And how can you say "I really don't know but I'm pretty sure she's going to DT tonight?" That makes no sense. How do you KNOW that she's going to DT? On January 31 2012 14:56 Toadesstern wrote: finally :3 Batman: That's in both batmans and cat womans describition. Later on it's in both describtions. Sooooo, what happens if batman shoots/kills/bitchslapps/whatever cat woman or vice versa? The first quote indicated that they get shot because their hits go through everything but real-VETs, the 2nd one looks like you are pretty much immortal and can only be killed by lynch. On January 31 2012 23:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: They can't off eachother. Will edit that in. At the start of the game, you yourself ask for clarification on who batman and catwoman's kills can and cannot go through. From BC's answer it looks like he wanted be to clear 100% on who they can and cannot 1-hit kill. So really, your "I'm imba" makes no sense as a claim. | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:39 Tunkeg wrote: The problem with veterans (if chaoser is a veteran) for us newer players are that we don't know their meta. For all I know chaoser might just be this useless as town, and the rest know it, and therefor just ignores him. But as I don't have any meta on him I will call it as I see it, and that is that he is anti-town at best, and likely scum. Awww, that's cute. That's almost an ad hominem attack, it's so cute. You're a QTP you know that? Voting for me after day has ended and so it means absolutely nothing lol. <3 On February 08 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote: ##Vote chaoser From voting thread: On February 08 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote: ##Vote chaoser | ||
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On February 09 2012 00:46 Toadesstern wrote: to get catwoman off Schworz and both mafia and thirdparties on my ass instead. It's not my call to make if Schworz's DT claim was right in the first place and maybe he's mafia idk yet but he's not twoface so I'd much rather out myself as long as I'm immortal, I did my job and now it's the medics' job to decide if we want him alive or not but without my claim protecting him would not have made sense at all as a medic because catwoman shoots through that. So you claimed...to trade one DT (you) for another (Schworz)? And it doesn't even work because they wouldn't be on your ass anyway if your "i am immortal" claim is legit anyway. Why didn't you just claim blue two-face and leave out the "i am invincible" part? Then you would actually get "both mafia and thirdparties on your ass". | ||
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On February 09 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote: I already explained that, read the last page... But sure again: Because noone would believe a word I say if I claimed Two-Face without being unkillable. Why would Two-Face, who at least know that he himself is not a liar, claim DT to sacrifice himself just to save another DT? No matter what, even if I'd believe Schworz claim without a doubt I still couldn't say I'm 100% sure he's a DT. So best case scenario would be: 100% Chance to lose a DT and a 99% Chance to win a DT. That's not what I'd think because I know I'm not going to die but that'd be what everyone else thinks, therefore noone would believe a word I said because it's stupid. Same with claiming something else. Claiming medic to catch some bullets would make no sense at all because no medic would claim such a bullshit. There really is only a couple of possibilities:
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chaoser, when I mentioned that I thought it was unlikely that cheese would suggest a plan while as scum, you immediately tried to shoot it down with a counter-example. I dislike how you were quick to dismiss the point by providing a rare exception with LSB. Your general attitude this game seems different. It wasn't a "rare exception". Mafia love to make plans. I see them all the time, and I've been in a lot of games. Would you like for me to go find them for you? You post implied that you thought scum wasn't likely to suggest a plan (aka take an active and leadership role in the game). This is false. Especially if the plan (Joker claim) is a horrible plan that doesn't help town. In fact every single mafia loss ends with the host or Ace coming in to say the mafia needed to be more active and try to control town discussion. I know for a fact that both BC and Ace make plans and are in a leadership position if they roll scum in a game. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote: Neither Palmar nor I get a medic protection. If I find out about this postgame you're going to get slapped as well. On February 09 2012 03:51 Palmar wrote: Listen to toad, I'm a retard. Well, given that exchange, I'll buy into the duel claim then. | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:26 Palmar wrote: I'm on Jackal's list, but I don't know about any mysterious quicktopic? What are you talking about...stop trying to stir up drama/trouble when there's no need for it. | ||
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Palmar 02-08-2012 02:31 PM ET (US) So you might as well try to be useful before you die. 173 Palmar 02-08-2012 02:29 PM ET (US) I am not. I am truly and honestly going to shoot you dead tonight. 172 risk7nuke 02-08-2012 02:29 PM ET (US) I think you're lying to deter scum from shooting me. 171 Palmar 02-08-2012 02:27 PM ET (US) hey risk bro. I want to shoot you tonight. How do you feel about that? Just shut up... | ||
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Right. I faked that just 3 minutes after you said you had no idea about the QT...why would I even fake it? That doesn't even make sense.... | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:36 Bill Murray wrote: excuse me, toad? nice misrepresentation i have no claimed two-face i have claimed hush, a medic you idiot....toad/palmar both claimed two-face. And they both told you to not to protect them since they are "unkillable" or some shit like that. | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:37 kitaman27 wrote: Palmar is either trolling or has a crazy split personality post restriction -_- Oh! that makes sense lol. Cause he's two-face | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:54 Jackal58 wrote: Nope. Your imposter is much more entertaining anyways. word. especially since he passed kita's test | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:06 Tunkeg wrote: Now a question for the entire town: If both Toad and Palmar are as they claim Two-Face together, could it be that one is town and the other is scum? You're an idiot. That's impossible. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:19 Toadesstern wrote: done watching dragonball. Palmar are you willing to explain your shit? Or do you have a good reason to not tell me what you're doing? There certainly are a few ones that would be plausible but I'd like to know if you know at least one of them. I know a confirmed role and he knows my role and probably is smart enough to figure me out However it's not what you claimed. da fuck..... | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:23 Toadesstern wrote: I think shooting palmar tonight would be a nice thing to do. I don't think lynching him is a good thing. and then we have this.... | ||
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"PMs PMs are not allowed in this game unless a role states otherwise." We're not pming...it's an ability of a role. There are games where PMs aren't allowed but have masons as roles. | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:14 Jayjay54 wrote: @doc: thanks for finally clearing that up. Should have been done long ago if you ask me, since mafia seems to already have this input. @laya: not caring what other people think = being useless! This is a team game. Even more so. It is a voting game. You have to convice others that you are innocent and that your cases are true. Basically, this game is all about caring what other people think about you. Lying and deceiving your team is not good town play. The only thing it does is help your scum play in other games more legit. going to sleep, it's about time. see you tomorrow. good luck shooting, vets. Ace must be the most useless player to have ever played this game then... | ||
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This post by you is invalid now, especially the part I bolded: On February 09 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote: I already explained that, read the last page... But sure again: Because noone would believe a word I say if I claimed Two-Face without being unkillable. Why would Two-Face, who at least know that he himself is not a liar, claim DT to sacrifice himself just to save another DT? No matter what, even if I'd believe Schworz claim without a doubt I still couldn't say I'm 100% sure he's a DT. So best case scenario would be: 100% Chance to lose a DT and a 99% Chance to win a DT. That's not what I'd think because I know I'm not going to die but that'd be what everyone else thinks, therefore noone would believe a word I said because it's stupid. Same with claiming something else. Claiming medic to catch some bullets would make no sense at all because no medic would claim such a bullshit. There really is only a couple of possibilities:
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On February 09 2012 10:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Isn't Catwoman invincible? Makes total sense that Toads could be CW. ahhhh, that makes this situation make sense now lol. smart. | ||
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On February 09 2012 10:23 Forumite wrote: Chaoser, could clearing up the mess with the three Two-Faces wait until tomorrow? I think there´s some weird things going on there still, but I wouldn´t mind waiting until after the nightkills have been sent to get to the bottom of it. There are 3 people claiming Two-Face, why not let CW and Scum have their fun trying to figure it out for themselves for now? Yah yah, I got it. I was actually not going to push the issue anymore but your post in the phonebooth got me confused about why he would fakeclaim and then drop the issue. More than happy to let the day come and settle some of the issues that have happened lol. | ||
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On February 09 2012 12:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: Worthless post. Please step up Chaoser. I will believe toad's claim, based on the fact that phone booths exist and my neighbors are loud an obnoxious. Plus I'm by the courthouse now so I'm coming for that penguin bitch. He better let me carry a scythe or his umbrella after this.... ...seriously? You're telling ME to step it up? That post was part of a series that was trying to pressure toad into giving more info/slipping up because his initial claim was scummy as fuck and made no logical sense from a townie perspective (or from a mafia one either for that matter). No one counterclaimed him then and the questions were getting nowhere so I dropped them. And now he's confessed to fakeclaiming so there's no claim to "believe" in anymore. YOU STEP IT UP since clearly you haven't been following thread enough before even deciding to post. Good job. | ||
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Your filter is a mess, I'm going to quote some "worthwhile posts" of yours: On February 07 2012 14:56 ~OpZ~ wrote: I think RTG is town....only because I liked his first few posts this game even though a few people jumped on him. Just sayin. I was mafia last game with him. But I really need to catch up. That fuckin bastard penguin blew the bridge and left me over here with these ass hole joker inmates....I'ma fucking kill that fat fuck when I get back to the museum. On February 08 2012 11:04 ~OpZ~ wrote: Look, I'm sorry guys, I had a walk in interview today and got the job based on my best friend only....I start tomorrow at 9 a.m. training at a location an hour away. I'm sorry for my inactivity as of the moment. Plus the penguin left me on the wrong side of the bridge that piece of shit. On February 08 2012 11:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: EBWOP: I GOTTA SWIM IN THE ICEY WATER....I'm probably gonna freeze to death guys.... On February 08 2012 11:46 ~OpZ~ wrote: I felt like getting in character. Plus I've been busy busy doing my job shooting jokers men and shit. But I gotta get the fuck outta this steel mill dude. It's fucking scary and I swear I had a batarang fly over my head. On February 08 2012 11:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: Moving my vote to C_C due to reservations against wanting sheth dead just yet...Just....Yet.... K, I'ma start swimming. Gotta go pick up my dress pants and button up after I finish in this disgusting joker fish water..... That's five quotes. That's HALF of all your posts in this game. All of them are worthless. You are the definition of lurker. | ||
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On February 09 2012 13:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is the daypost coming up any time soon? Curu isn't on Skype and BC is gone, so I guess it's going to be really late. | ||
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On February 09 2012 13:47 chaoser wrote: Curu isn't on Skype and BC is gone, so I guess it's going to be really late. Nvm, curu just signed on | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:02 Toadesstern wrote: I still don't know what to make out of Schworz, especially the fact that he's still alive. Sadly I can't tell you if I got hit tonight because mechanism of being immortal doesn't tell me if I get hit. Maybe I got hit by mafia, maybe I got hit by a vig, maybe I got hit by thirdparty. I would have survived all those yesterday and given the flips I'm going to survive them again tonight. So it's another night of immortality but I don't know if I used that power. On February 09 2012 17:36 Toadesstern wrote: also I'm a VT from now on. As mentioned I used my shot on Kenpachi. I'm confused. On page 66 right now. Explain. | ||
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##vote: liquid`sheth I hope the end of this day and the next night will bring clarity to the situation Also... On February 10 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote: Beeing lurky isn't a valid option to be scum in this game. Because of the spammers overwhelming everyone. I'm pretty sure somewhere between 600 and 1000 posts (corresponding 30-50 pages) could be removed completely and not affect the overall information the slightest. If we're going to shoot lurkers then we should first shoot the fucking spammers spreading their chaos.. ...then we can look into shooting lurkers. LOLOL holy crap is this a scummy post. I hate the spam/confusion as well (as can be seen in my posts) but at least we're getting somewhere using that spam/claim/agDSGAfgg. You're suggesting we turn this game from claim: the game into shoot spammers/lurkers? Are you kidding me? | ||
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Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda? chaoser, he was anyways. lol, what agenda am I pushing? That I hate almost everyone that's playing in this game? You're lucky I can't push everyone into the fire this time. | ||
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On February 10 2012 22:27 Palmar wrote: Rofl. of all the people you mentioned, those are the two I think are most likely to flip scum. Radfield is third party. lulz | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:36 chaoser wrote: so I'm caught up...this game basically turned into claim: the game. Due to all the confusion from all the claims, fakeclaims, fake-whatevers, shit's all fucked up. That being said, at least we're gettign somewhere. Even if that somewhere is balanced on a very specific understanding of what happened last night. On February 10 2012 18:29 Palmar wrote: In addition bugs. As I've explained, there is a reason to believe Radfield did DT check Sheth and there is no reason to believe he's not telling the truth about the result. Radfield lying about the result makes no sense no matter his alignment. And seeing as Radfield is confirmed as 3rd party (through my shot), it would indeed be counter-productive for him to lie, and likely get hanged. I don't think you're reading the thread. I think you're raging for no reason at all. Why are you doing it? He's not "confirmed" 3rd party, this itself is flawed logic since your shot can not be "confirmed" (as he did not die). Unless you wanna claim your blue-name, there's really no point in believing you even shot the guy lol. Basically, like I said before, everything rests on a very specific understanding of what actually happened last night. If Sheth doesn't flip mafia then the scenario you've been pushing as the real narrative all falls down. I'mma just chill anyway till the Sheth flip. WBG is freakin out for no big reason. Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol. And you act like you're the only one in control of bullets lol. | ||
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On February 10 2012 23:15 Palmar wrote: Rofl, you're not even reading the thread chaoser. I already claimed my blue name. It's the goddamn Joker. You don't have to shoot me, we have an asshole in a batsuit for that. Why are you trying to Link Sheth's flip to anything else? Can you explain how it's related? We have a DT Check on Sheth that says he's red. Even without my bullet it makes no Sense for Radfield to lie about his result. My bullet simply confirms his as not scum, Which leaves catwoman. No matter his alignment, if he'S lying about Sheth's DT Check result, he gets lynched tomorrow. As Batman/Catwoman, that's extremely terrible play. So, I don't think we even need to consider the possibility that Sheth flips anything but Scum or Miller. If he flips Miller, we carry on by lynching scummy fuckers, especially those that have pre-emptively tried to Link his flip to someone else getting lynched. You see, if he flips miller we gain no information other than that there are a ton of millers in the game. If he flips Scum, we carry on by lynching scummy fuckers. I'm the Only ONE in control of bullets with nothing to lose. I'm a dead, reckless man walking. Die scum. Oh right, I forget you claimed Joker. Like you claimed Two-Face at night time. We also had a Catwoman for that if you remember. But then you unclaimed =[. DT checks tell nothing about alignment in this game given how every single faction has them. The flip of the person does though, which is why I'm waiting for it. Chill yo. Like I said, if Sheth flips mafia then it's all cool lol. If Sheth flips miller, which he might, as you said lol, then we get some info out of that as well. And that info is that the foundation on which you have built your narrative is shaky lol. How can you say Sheth flipping miller gives no information when in the previous sentence you insinuate that him flipping miller incriminates " those that have pre-emptively tried to Link his flip to someone else getting lynched". Is that not "information" lol? Aside from your Batman theory for Rad though, another one comes into mind. Let's say for a second that you ARE the Joker. And you DID shoot Radfield. Who else has vet powers as well as DT powers? Someone Red I think? Either way, nothing matters till the flip anyway so I'mma sit back and wait for it. This is all telescoping my arguments for when the flip occurs lol. Oh, and I really don't care if I die or not. Yawnn. Why so serious, Mr. Joker? | ||
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On February 10 2012 23:35 VisceraEyes wrote: He's claiming his Joker shot is unblockable, and that Radfield survived. What do you think about that chaoser? It's a claim. It's not confirmed. I doubt BC would give a town-side vigi an unblockable shot though. I'd treat it with disinterest. Like I said, the current narrative we're all buying into supposes a very specific set of actions to occur over the next Day and Night phase. If they don't occur then we can move under the assumption that that narrative is flawed. Whether it's flawed because people are playing suboptimally or because it's a fake narrative that is being used to trick everyone, we can make the decision then. You can guess which of those two I'm leaning towards though lol. But like I said, nothing matters till the flips. | ||
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On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote: a) I did not claim Two-Face. Stop Lying. b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves. I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum. The entire "narrative" is: Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth. We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play. The only thing I added to this is: Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious. But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth. a) lol ok I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum. lol, how can you even say that? Your narrative is that you are the joker, your shot is unblockable, you shot Radfield, therefore he is the Batman, that you will die tonight due to outing yourself as the joker, and that if Sheth flips mafia or miller then we move on as usual and "carry on by lynching scummy fuckers". This implies that, even if Sheth flips miller that we should all buy into this notion that Radfield is Batman when that is a horrible leap of logic. If Sheth is miller then we need to rethink the situation and be a bit more cynical. It is possible that you are lying. It is possible that Radfield is actually mafia since they have a DT role. On February 11 2012 00:24 Palmar wrote: If he flips town, and not miller, we obviously lynch radfield. You forget to conveniently mention that if Sheth flips town then both you and Radfield need to be lynched since, as you said, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves. Which means that if Radfield lied then he is probably mafia and thus your "unblockable" hit should have killed him and since it didn't that you lied about that hit as well. See. Everything is connected lol. But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth. I don't mind it lol, bring it. Though suggesting to lynch me today is a pretty bad suggestion because it doesn't at all deal with the situation at hand and come tomorrow town will still have to deal with it. And if you're mafia then obviously that's bad for town no? | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:08 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser, please, tell me. Did You see a red spy on the way here? huh? | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:49 Radfield wrote: I got shot last night. rgShworz is obviously not Two Face, and in act I'm willing to bet he is not a DT. He claimed a hit, yet no WAY catwoman did not target him last night. Therefore he is either unkillable by Catwoman, which means he is either one of the vets (Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze) or Poison Ivy; or he himself is catwoman. Yet he has claimed DT, which means he can only be catwoman out of those options. The Two-Face claim kinda makes sense if he's catwoman, but I can't really wrap my head around it. However his entire role-claim was bizarre(claiming dt out of the blue), which reminds me ALOT of the iGroks early neutral-balrog claim. There was almost no pressure, and he claimed a role which was basically guaranteed to see him killed. If he was bulletproof at night that actually makes sense, as the lynch is the only thing he fears. I still need to think about this, but he's not the lynch today. We're missing a ton of KP, so it makes sense that if he is catwoman, he might have investigated DocH. Which means it's possible he's not lying, but it sure sounds like bullshit. He should have gotten a role back, not an alignment. Either way, DocH and Toad seem more than confident enough, and both seem like town. If it comes to name claiming so be it, but I'd rather their identities remain hidden. In other news, I investigated Sheth last night and he is Tyger This gives us a whole truckload of info from the Day 1 lynch, because Sheth and CC were neck and neck for a while until CC ran away with it. I haven't looked through it yet, but I assure you scum will fall when I do ##Vote Sheth On February 09 2012 22:51 Palmar wrote: Radfield, how did you survive? Is it it your role? I shot you dead good last night. But you're much less dead than I had hoped? This looks pretty well timed and orchestrated to me. Especially since before this, on that day, you posted things like: On February 09 2012 21:02 Palmar wrote: I want radfield dead. He seems to care very little about this game. In addition, I think his list during the night is both terrible and incriminating. Also, I think he's scum. On February 09 2012 19:28 Palmar wrote: @Bugs, what do you think of Radfield, what do you think of me, and what do you think of this whole mess with toad and drh and rgts? even though you should have already known Radfield was not mafia at that point since, as you said, your shot is unblockable and On Feb 10 2012 10:22 (57 min) Palmar wrote: Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious. and On February 11 2012 00:48 Palmar wrote: I have the same list of names I cannot kill as appear in Batman's and Catwoman's role. The mafia vet is not in that list. | ||
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This is the reason I think it's more likely he's Batman. Batman has nothing to fear from town really, as his main goal is to find and kill Hugo Strange. The Joker is out now. The fact that he had the balls to claim the hit AND the DT check, while refusing to name-claim and knowing no medic would ever claim a protection on him, all points to him being the batman. Mafia have a roleblocker, a vet and medic powers anyway so they can be as ballsy as they want. In fact this is one of the few games where the mafia can actually even claim DT and also take a hit and not to outted immediately. Adding in DT powers and a GF, mafia are pretty strong this game. Therefore none of these signs point to him as Batman because they could be done by mafia as well. He's definitely not townie so I guess we can agree on that. do you think I shot Radfield last night? Do you think him surviving, while also having DT powers is logical scum play? Or could it be that we're just both telling the truth? He really is the Batman, or a very ballsy Catwoman. I will die tonight. Batman will shoot me. Please, please, please follow my lead and kill chaoser off instead of sheth. If you die tonight and flip joker and it shows that your shots work the way you said they do, then I'll buy the whole thing. If you don't die then I'm going to be skeptical. There are many reasons that I can think of for you surviving though. Either Batman decided not to kill you (stupid play). Or you can't be killed by Batman (aka you're Talia al Ghul). Either way, if you don't die then I will be very suspicious. | ||
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If you die tonight and flip joker and it shows that your shots work the way you said they do, then I'll buy the whole thing. If you don't die then I'm going to be skeptical. There are many reasons that I can think of for you surviving though. Either Batman decided not to kill you (stupid play). Or you can't be killed by Batman (aka you're Talia al Ghul). Either way, if you don't die then I will be very suspicious. So you see, your argument against me that I'm scum makes no sense since I could only ever push for your and Rad's lynch on the next day if you survive, something that I'm not even able to control if I'm mafia since Batman's kill is unblockable. If you die I have no reason to push at all. If I was mafia I'd rather you not die since then I can't push you. So what kind of stupid mafia plans ahead to try to set up a lynch on someone that isn't even controlled by the mafia but rather by a third party lol. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:00 Toadesstern wrote: Jackal shot DocH. DocH is the only one within the circle of people who are either dead or claimed a hit and at the same time are on the gay-phone-session. Jackal can only shoot people on his gay-phone-session. He called me a liar and maybe found out what was meant to be for docH. Anyways I'm pretty sury Jackal shot DocH. Radfield was also in the phonebooth and claimed he got shot. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:23 RayzorFlash wrote: I think the whole Schworz drama will likely clear itself out tonight, or at least give us more concrete information instead of like, 7 people throwing out either what they think, or random claims that don't make sense... I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield. Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol) On February 11 2012 01:59 chaoser wrote: So you see, your argument against me that I'm scum makes no sense since I could only ever push for your and Rad's lynch on the next day if you survive, something that I'm not even able to control if I'm mafia since Batman's kill is unblockable. If you die I have no reason to push at all. If I was mafia I'd rather you not die since then I can't push you. So what kind of stupid mafia plans ahead to try to set up a lynch on someone that isn't even controlled by the mafia but rather by a third party lol. The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of. | ||
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But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s. If palmar is town then Radfield is black. That's it. Palmar said his shot is unblockable by mafia. Therefore if palmar is town then radfield can't be red since palmar shot at him and he did not die. Therefore, if Radfield is red, then palmar can't be town | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:43 Palmar wrote: This is correct. In addition, since the simplest explanation is that Radfield is black, you're both red and an idiot. lol. So you're going to double down on the "Chaoser is trying to set up a lynch that he has no control over setting up?" logic? Cause only batman has control over that setup up lol. Also, here's a Femshep trailer that came out today cause she's boss | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:57 RayzorFlash wrote: This is true... But Batman might not even go after Joker if its confirmed though, he might start working on finding out who Hugo is, leaving Joker to be killed by Mafia or lynched by town. He doesn't need to kill Joker right now if he already knows who he is and can kill him at any time... Thus, the lynch wouldn't be controlled by Batman either... There is definitely a possibility that Palmar remains alive after tonight... What? That is the definition of controlled by Batman. If he doesn't kill Palmar THEN I would be able to push for a lynch on Palmar. If he DOES kill palmar then I can't. Since I have no idea what batman would do, I can't setup a chain-lynch, it depends on Batman. See how ridiculous it is to say that I'm mafia because I'm posting to set up a lynch on palmar and Radfield? Especially when I don't even control the setup? Batman might not go kill the joker. Or he might. Why the fuck would I, if I was mafia, try to set up a lynch that depends 100% on what a third party does? How does that make logical sense? | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote: what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote. I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is: On February 10 2012 19:58 Toadesstern wrote: pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh. 7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:18 Toadesstern wrote: i know. That's the reason I said there's errors in there but I don't really want to think of sheth as a townie either. However if sheth were to flip mafia today I'd still want to lynch Chaoser. Not sure about the opposite. ....????? Da fuk? How does that make any sense? | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:21 Toadesstern wrote: I'm only vocal about the ones I want to get lynched right now. I figured it's not a bad idea to give my orange and red reads out and ask people about them now because I'm still immortal and hey, it gives something to discuss. Or since I am not making sense to people they can at least look at my list and tell if they look me from what I put on that list. Also I'm checking my filter right now, give me a second. Except you didn't "give your orange and red reads". You didn't "ask people about them". You weren't "vocal". You ninja-voted me and then said I was on your "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote: what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote. You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote: my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p LOLOL. Well I DID go through your filter and you never once mentioned my name previously. In fact, someone asked you your opinion about me before my first post and you ignored talking about me completely. When I asked you questions during the night time about your claim you answered with no hint of suspicion against me and you never once posted anything resembling a scum read on me until 7 hours ago in response to WBG saying he thinks I'm townie. Then you voted for me without saying shit in this thread? lol ok. | ||
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So you're basically saying you can't be criticized for any of your votes even if you've never mentioned them before because you have them all "on a super secret list" and so they're justified? You're an idiot. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:30 Toadesstern wrote: I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways. You talked about layabout and C_C A LOT. On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote: not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead. On February 07 2012 22:29 Toadesstern wrote: I'd like to hear why you think layabout is town Palmar. Not sure if you're going to reply but I might as well just try and post a bit: He either does posts like this: + Show Spoiler [useless bullshit that mafia can do wit…] + On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote: please be civil children On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote: lets all vote for no good reason! or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days. Next thing he does is his picture post: + Show Spoiler + Next time defending risk.nuke: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 06:02 layabout wrote: He normally posts about a page day1, it is not unusual for him to post very little. he is typically aggressive. he has only ever been town he absolutely hates it when you try to "meta" him. Here is a post i made when i was scum about him in a game in which he looked sorta scummy but was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=32#630 his previous games (which you may want to look at) Election mafia (town) Tl Mafia XLVII (town) Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town) Newbie mini mafia (town) TL Mafia XLV (town) Hammer mini Mafia (town) sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote. The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie? On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote: I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=509&topic_id=305850 You even say: It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. So while you were able to make big posts about people on D1 when there was "so little to analyze", you're unable to write anything big on me even though you promised "big fancy cases" on D2? lol ok. | ||
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Why don't you agree that Chaoser supporting you in a strange way (check out his filter) is painting him red, if you flip scum? On February 11 2012 18:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Chaoser is the one who went hard trying to prove it's "impossible" for rG to be scum right Where the fuck do I try to prove that it's impossible for rG to be scum? I think he's scummy as fuck. I voted for him day one, the only reason I got off was cause he claimed blue. Yesterday I posted about how if Sheth flipped miller we need a long hard look at Palmar/Radfield/rG because I think if Sheth flipped miller that there was a good chance all three are scum. Are you guys shitting me.... | ||
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I see evantree is up for lynch. I'm good with that. ico/rayzor should get shot/lynched on the next day though. Will be able to post more. | ||
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This is like when people wanted to lynch me in LOTR for killing Radfield and he flipped red... | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:08 Forumite wrote: We think it was all a big bussing of the most scummy of the scumteam. Radfield not giving us anything from his N2 check enforce this. You're all idiots if you think Radfield, of all people, would need to bus his own teammate (since day 1 btw) on Day 2. Look at the clusterfuck that was Night 1. They (the mafia) could have literally carried that into day 2, wasted half the day by continuing the clusterfuck. Given rG's bullshit DT claim on that day, they also could have very well played up that point as a "mistake" and tried to get him lynched. Radfield came in early as fuck that day to claim his check on Sheth giving red. That's not a fucking bus. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:22 Kurumi wrote: With WBG and Radfield they probably wanted to control the lynches. I killed the first and now I am trying to lynch the other. What does that even mean? control the lynches? the fuck? are you stupid? You're literally saying "Let's lynch the guy who led us to lynching a mafia because that's too suspicious!" This is the equivalent of saying "he's playing too pro-town, he's mafia". There are way better lynches out there for scummy players and you all want to go after the guy who served us mafia on a platter? You're all stupid as fuck. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:26 Kurumi wrote: So You deny that both WBG and Radfield are good players? What the fuck? No? If they were good players they would not resort to fucking BUSSING, THE LAST PLAY MAFIA WOULD WANT TO USE IN THEIR PLAYBOOK. I'm not denying shit. If they were mafia, the last thing they would do is bus. In fact WBG HATES bussing. | ||
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Who the fuck knows. All I know is he lynched scum. And he voted Sheth Day 1. He's not mafia, idiot. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:53 Palmar wrote: It's cute to see the mafia try and powerplay me out of the game. Chaoser, you're such obvious scum lol. And for those wondering. I am not batman, or catwoman or any other third party. Only reason I left my name ambiguous in that list is because that's for others to find out. 1. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is scum Looking at the interactions here, I don't think this is the case. If it is it's surprisingly good scum play from both of them. Chaosers direct push to actually lynch Sheth while keeping open the possibility of Sheth flipping miller would be a ridiculously powerful play to absolve him of any "knowledge" about the flip. I have almost no reason to believe this is the case. Thanks for the compliment honey <3 | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote: Didn't think you had it in you. But I forgot that Sheth is obsessed with bussing. As am I! Wow, you're a grade-A detective aren't you? Even better than Sherlock Holmes. Here's a gift for you | ||
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wherebugsgo 02-07-2012 02:45 AM ET (US) Radfield is an incredibly hard player to read sometimes because he is very good; which means that even if he appears town, he may not be. It leads people to become paranoid sometimes (look at Sleeper Cell II where he gets lynched day 1 as town) and misread him. Indeed the first time I played with him as town in PYP:I I felt similarly. (I had previously played with him in LoTR where he was scum, though I died n1; I caught him in the obs QT) With that said, so far I feel like he is very town. To answer your question, I dunno exactly why Radfield likes asking questions, however for me I ask questions as town because it's an effective way to gauge a person's reads and thus their alignment. Think about it this way: the hardest thing for scum to do is to forge analysis. So, if you're constantly forcing them to "contribute" by asking questions, you'll wear them out and they will slip and slip and slip. Their responses to your questions also will be shaded in a way that is mafia-flavored. Every scum is different, but most will have a very hard time coming up with convincing analysis on the spot, because convincing analysis as scum is very hard to do (you're essentially forcing the scum to fabricate shit over and over, which is hard). Think of it as lying to your parents or something; you can only keep up a lie for so long before it becomes so convoluted that no one would ever believe you. Another thing is, Radfield's incessant question-asking is incredibly consistent with his meta, because it is one of the most effective ways of hunting scum as town. Indeed, that's actually how I caught him in the LoTR obs QT; he was making assumptions (and he subtly slipped on knowledge he wouldn't have has as town)without asking people in the thread questions. He was not proactive about asking people questions and it was readily apparent. Compare his play in this game to his play in XLVIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=16#306 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...52884¤tpage=3 XLVIII posts from Radfield compare to this game, so far he's posted twice in this fashion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=22#424 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=22#427 Pretty similar, IMO. Ofc a good player will be able to replicate this kind of thing as scum, but for now I'm inclined to believe Radfield is town. This is not at all like his day 1 play from LoTR, and it is not like his play from Couples' Therapy either, where we were scumbuddies (we were a hydra, in fact) The only thing lacking is that Radfield hasn't posted anything like a plan or anything of the sort (like he usually does) but he does that as both alignments, so I don't think it's that relevant. From what you have said so far, Deepthroat, I'm going to make the assessment that you are a newer player. I'm going to guess Toad. wherebugsgo 02-07-2012 02:50 AM ET (US) apparently I can't post more than 4 links in a post without it getting blocked by the spambot protection thing. couple more posts of Radfield's from XLVIII that I used for meta analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=17#322 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=21#401 As for Palmar, he hasn't done enough yet to be readable. So far he has largely been useless, but we are only halfway through day 1. After the debacle in L where I pushed the lynch on him day 1 for being useless, I'm wary of lynching him day 1 just for that reason. I feel like there are probably out-of-game reasons for his lack of activity as well, as he scolded me in skype after he died about the lynch that game. For that reason I think it's kinda fruitless to try to analyze Palmar right now without further information. He'd be a very good target to poke today and get answers from. I want to hear his thoughts, since that'll be the fastest way to determine his alignment. He'll probably be quite stubborn about it, though. If the phone operator can get him in here, that'd be awesome. If he's scum we'll know very quickly (especially if he refuses to use this) and if he's not then he'll be a valuable resource and addition to the discussion. wherebugsgo 02-07-2012 02:54 AM ET (US) yeah I definitely agree with you, Radfield should be pressured into contributing. The great thing about Radfield is that if he's town mafia will definitely not want to leave him alive on n1. If he pursues a Foolishness-style of play day 1 there's a chance he'll live, but either way we should definitely pressure him (and the other vets) so that we can determine their alignments quickly. oh also I had two other guesses for who you were (my third was Dr. H hahaha) I should've been able to guess from your posting style! | ||
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On February 14 2012 04:46 Palmar wrote: Read the comments again. WBG concludes Radfield is kinda towny and then agrees he may need to be pressured. If Bugs genuinely felt radfield was worth hanging he'd have been much more to the point. agreed. even though I'm a master scum =[ | ||
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end my suffering plz | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:43 RayzorFlash wrote: I havent actually succeeded in the game yet though, so i'm asking BC if i can purposefully fail on that and die through it so that we dont waste a lynch on me after a solid day of discussion and getting Radfield on the chopping block, where i think he belongs (as does chaoser)... Whether you choose to trust me on that is up to y'all, lol... I just want town to win -_- lol. scum. I didn't even try at the game. that's how townie i am. stared death in the face and laughed. whats up kita | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:41 kitaman27 wrote: So lets get this straight. You think Palmar the mega troll has the best gameplan. You think Radfield voted Sheth day one as scum, you think Radfield revealed a scum check on Sheth day two as scum, you think bugs wrote out an essay bussing Radfield. Have you even called Rafield scum? You also believe that I'm not the Riddler. chaoser, rayzor, and Palmar are all lying about me putting them into the game because there is a huge conspiracy theory going on. You think that somebody else in the game is the Riddler and will counterclaim me in the near future. And you say you're the one fed up? :p lawl. owned. seriously kita, thank you for getting me out of this game lol | ||
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This thread =[ | ||
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Chaoser - 6 risk.nuke radfield rayzorflash kitaman27 evantrees visceraeyes nah kita, it was all part of your plan to figure out scum from not scum. There's at least one scum in here due to the last minute almost save of radfield lol | ||
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Is chaoser a more important scum kp role? I'm so important that Radfield voted for me lol. | ||
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On February 14 2012 15:41 kitaman27 wrote: wherebugsgo was part of my game, so scum had knowledge that more than one person was selected. He could have played dumb, but that seems unlikely. What I'm wondering is how doesn't the scum team manage to save Radfield? They obviously gave up a ton by sacrificing Sheth. With 5 scum votes, a rambling Riddler, and maybe a couple stray town votes, how couldn't they accumulate enough votes? Is chaoser a more important scum kp role? Do we have european scum who aren't around? Or is the scum team too passive to take a risk. Actually, given BC's day post about how the riddler's game had started, I immediately realized there was probably more than one person in the game. Dunno about rayzor but it'd be pretty hard NOT to come to the conclusion that there were multiple people in the game given that BC wrote: It is time for an announcement. The riddle game has begun, lucky contestants chosen to join the game have fun. It is now time to have a battle of wits with the Riddler. All who were included in the riddle game must play if they wish to be removed from it. Failure means death. No discussing in thread or in the zsasz QT if you happen to be in it and invited. | ||
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Not to mention all the claims of wanting to lynch me. Yawn. | ||
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On February 14 2012 23:53 risk.nuke wrote: lol are you people scum or just awefull? posting vig lists with 5 or more names (And lol my name is in there) with 4 remaining scum. How about posting vig lists with 1-2 names who you actually know will flip scum. And if you don't know or are very certain they will flip scum you can sit down, shut up, scumhunt and absolutely not post lists with Red Names > Scum. lol...are you seriously implying that they're scum so fail. | ||
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Forumite is obviously saying that he thinks the top four are most likely scum that lat four scum. If he's wrong about one or two of them then the next set he thinks is likely scum is in the 50/50 range. | ||
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On February 15 2012 00:03 risk.nuke wrote: Implying? I'm simply noting how a bunch of people is playing pro-scum. Purposely or not. | ||
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On February 15 2012 00:35 Forumite wrote: risk.nuke, chaoser, instead of complaining, you might want to make suggestions on how to move on from here. What you are doing now is just proving to us that you are Scum. lol, you say this like i care | ||
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On February 15 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys, I don't know what it's going to take to convince you, but I'm town. 100% I know I was against the Radfield lynch, but I thoroughly believed he was DT...I see now that I was only so convinced because his claim helped land my Sheth lynch. You guys have some good targets, I hope your aim is as good as our aim has been lynchwise. Please don't make the mistake of taking my trying to save Rad as a scum-move. I was literally only trying to get Kita his KP while saving who I believed to be the DT. I honestly believe we need to be rid of Palmar/Batman. He's a wild-card when what we need is stability. He's a variable in any kind of plan we make going forward. He's KP aimed at town. lol, why get rid of palmar? he's the one refilling my popcorn | ||
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On February 15 2012 02:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Pro-town roles don't have win-conditions that involve killing town. And in what way have Palmar's posts been pro-town? Are you talking about the part where he fake-claims like seventeen times? Or are you talking about the part where he tries to derail the Sheth (scum) lynch? Palmar isn't posting pro-town, he's posting pro-Palmar...WHICH IS FINE....but he certainly doesn't have town's best interest in mind. And the longer he's in the game, the more likely he starts shooting into town trying to find Joker. Don't discount what I'm saying because you're suspicious of me, this is bigger than me. I'd rather take palmar playing pro-palmar right now then you playing like you right now lawl | ||
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On February 15 2012 03:04 VisceraEyes wrote: And how is that Chaoser? How have I been playing that's so anti-town exactly? Really, Palmar has been saying I'm scum all game and I've just kinda taken that as him being non-town/anti-town....but now Forumite thinks I'm scum and that concerns me because I've had a town read on Forumite all game. What about my play is so bad exactly? lol, you wanna kill THE BAT. it's like when people wanted to kill me as Theon in LOTR when I shot Radfield as mafia. | ||
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On February 15 2012 03:17 layabout wrote: chaoser can you post a gif that indicates that we should be shooting VE? | ||
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On February 15 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: It's a discussion people - I'm scummy for trying to have a discussion? This game is now retarded. GG scum. Lynch me or kill me, I don't care anymore. The fact that everyone is calling me scum for trying to have a discussion tells me that town is NOT in fact winning, that we're all fumbling around in the fucking dark and pointing fingers based on nothing. When scum win this shit in 2 days, I'll be back here in post-game to laugh at you idiots. It's a discussion we've already had. And most people think looking for scum is better then settling for a palmar lynch, especially since we think he's THE BAT and has to help us kill Hugo to win. I'm winning to trade a joker kill for THE BAT to be on our side trying to kill Hugo. | ||
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When scum win this shit in 2 days, I'll be back here in post-game to laugh at you idiots. Also this is really unnecessary and is basically fear mongering lol. Two mafia lynches and one mafia vigged by day 3, I highly doubt we're "2 days" away from losing the game. Unless you know something we don't. Like if BC is following the real game and we're all going to die to Protocol 10 in two days =[ | ||
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I'm out! | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:12 Forumite wrote: My shots N2 and N3 didn´t show up for a reason, but I´ve shot each and every night. Joker is still ahead of me in Townkills, even if we count Chaoser as teamwork. Go Me! More shooting. You're welcome. | ||
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