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First thing, please don't follow Kenpachi's lead on saying if you are a "vanilla townie" or not. This only helps mafia.
In fact, I realize you've done this before Kenpachi and you should realize by now its not helpful. Here to explain, You are Vanilla : This only alerts mafia that they don't need to kill you -- You aren't Vanilla you are Blue, but still town, This does not help as now while you may not die, you've also lied to us. We will find trusting you that much harder. -- If you are mafia its a null point, as we'll either detective you, or be able to figure it out based on how you act. So, please even though it might be "nice" to reveal what role you are, please don't. As a vanilla townie you're partly there to soak up hits from mafia.
Kenpachi, I only know you've done this in the past, not why. Could you explain why you claimed this? What logic do you have to do this?
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@Katina What do you think of Kenpachi's early claim?
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On February 06 2012 15:14 Kenpachi wrote:
I dont remember why i started doing it LOL
i guess tradition, (pretty bad tradition). But its insignificant to the course of the game if you ask me
Well, I just told you 3 situations, and only in one of them was it insignificant. If you're townie vanilla with it, it matters for mafia's hits, if you're townie blue it matters in lying to us, and if you're mafia it doesn't matter too much. And you think its a bad tradition as well?
I'll say this definitely is an interesting start to the game.
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On February 06 2012 15:15 Katina wrote:
I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything.
Pretty much everything is something that matters. I'm not sure it matters too much, but its definitely something to look at and think on a little bit imo.
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On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned?
So, Bill --
Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good.
They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death.
Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map.
Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this.
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On February 06 2012 15:41 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. .... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process
What do you want me to say? The games just starting, we're only on Zealot tech.
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@Bill I agree that idle chatter is not very helpful. As such just direct answers before I go to sleep. I like question asking individual to individual, or at least finding out how one person feels towards another. Doing write ups about each person for instance is a very important part of the game imo. As for mass claiming, Nooooooooooooooooooo. Unless you want to get banned.
On February 06 2012 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 05:26 kitaman27 wrote:
To what degree is the no role claiming of Batman/Cat Woman enforced? Are they allowed to hint at their role without directly claiming? Are they allowed to claim their hits? Is town allowed to identify the third party roles by forcing a mass batman claim, where the only person not allowed to claim is revealed? They claim at any point in time they are modkilled. If they hint their role and I catch it they are modkilled. They can claim hits, they can claim who they checked. Anyone who attempts to force a mass batman or catwoman claim will be banned after game concludes and both batman/catwoman in that circumstance may claim their role. Same general rules apply as last game in this regard. It comes down to, anyone who attempts to exploit or circumvent a rule will be punished. On that note. I will be firing out roles within the next 20-30 minutes, game will start between 10 and 11 pm est tonight.
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Just going to point something out. I realize its not important now, but it should end the "force batman to play for us, and out Joker" argument. Batman wants to kill Joker + Huge Strange (One Blue One Red). Now, statistically there are more blue's to go through then reds. So, its easier for Batman to hunt for Huge Strange. Also, sense batman is like the honey badger I get the feeling he'll just come down swinging. If Batman geusses correctly with a DT check he then has to spend another turn killing him (unless he can get town to do it). So, tbh I won't be suprised if Batman just comes up swinging. However he should be swinging at those he thinks are the most mafiaesque. So, there is no reason to out the Joker. If however we kill Huge Strange things may change, and it might well be wise to sacrifice one, to prevent batman from slowly killing us all off.
Anyway I finally figured out how to use Spreadsheets for this (Downloaded Open Office, as my comp doesn't have Excel) and I'm getting information down from everyone who talks. So I'd also like to hear from Radfield. He was the mayor and played a great game in Election Mafia. Whatcha got for us Mayor?
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On February 07 2012 05:51 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 05:42 Jackal58 wrote:On February 07 2012 05:29 Kurumi wrote:So Jackal, what direction should we go now? I think Radfield needs some poking. On February 07 2012 05:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 07 2012 04:56 Jackal58 wrote:
Good job Kurumi.
You've successfully identified two trolls a noob and a cowboy. Now what? jackal my man, how are things? I trust your opinion since my first game. mind to state your opinion on: Schworz jaybrundage VE? I'll join the fun, if you are ready! I'm not getting excited about anything until we hit the 24 hour mark. There are a few folks that have confirmed receiving their roles but have posted nothing else yet. There are also a fair few folks I haven't played with before so I'm trying to get an idea of what their posting style is. Conversely they haven't played with me either so I fully expect some of them to call me scum before the end of day 1. I can answer that now. Pffffttttt. I don't care. I believe Radfield confirmed but nothing else. But it may have been Refallen. I gotta go back and look again. If VE is scum he'll scream "lynch me" by day 2. At least he does when he's on a team with me. Maybe I just have that effect on people. rgtheschwartz and Jayb I have no clue. Ebwop - It is risk.nuke that posted "confirm" and then nothing else. If he remains afk for 24 hours I'd have no problem killing him.
So, you're a fan of lynching lurkers?
Or is this purely based on his meta? I really dislike going off of purely meta. And just the statement here bothers me. If he remains afk for half our day then he wants to kill him. Waiting 24 more hours and if he doesn't post having him modkilled should be the best idea. Especially because if we pressure the lurker and he never posts well we've lost a lot of information we could have gained going on someone else. I learned this because of Intrigue. Thanks Intrigue. -.-
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On February 07 2012 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I feel pretty good about Liquid'Sheth, Cyber_Cheese, VisceraEyes, and possibly Tunkeg as a team at this point. CC is accusing me of being catwoman out of nowhere. This is absurd, the VE defense force is out now as I expected. This only increases my confidence in my vote. Kitaman reasoned pretty well, let me explain further why I don't like VE. This is a player who made it understood, before the game, that he would be active. 1. His first post is defending Sheth by attacking a player who is suspicious of him, with no substance. He asks a question to the mod, this is a great thing to do as scum by the way it gives you something to fall back on that scum "totally wouldn't do". Sheth's only posts are early starting the easy FOS on kenpachi that happens in literally every single game kenpachi plays in. He is the easiest person to get lynched Day 1 usually, mafia want EASY bandwagons that look kinda scummy, they only risk huge lynches when they are threatened. 2. Is totally inactive, shows up again when he is called out and then OMGUS votes. You're voting to lynch someone on Day 1 because you don't like their "reasons" for voting? But the reasons for voting on KPach who green claims every single game meaninglessly are solid right? 3. Other players defending him chainsaw. Liquid'Sheth also comes back with more fluffy comments about the already finished Batman discussion. I really wish we would stop beating this horse and CC's claims are even more ridiculous. I'll address those soon in this post but let me reiterate it makes no strategical advantage for Batman OR Catwoman to shoot before using DT. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:First of all ##Unvote: kitaman27Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracylayabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout All 3 players contributed more than he did. All VE has done is defend himself. All you're really doing is pointing out 2 players who haven't contributed much yet but making it look like you're doing some serious scumhunting. I don't know if you are usually this dramatic about absolutely nothing as town though. Someone can inform me of that. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
alright, new plan, if hugo winds up dead, the joker comes forward.
And we kill docH because he's catwoman Ridiculous. Even if I was Catwoman, I'd have no incentive to use my hits until late in the game. DO NOT WASTE LYNCHES ON THIRD PARTY. IT IS A WASTED LYNCH. Town does NOT win by lynching SKs. Town must LYNCH scum. Catwoman is a threat to town, mafia is a bigger threat, and the only threat that involves our win condition. Not only is his interpretation of my posts which are focused on making sure the town doesn't give up the joker terrible, but he misunderstands my whole point. My whole point is that Batman/Catwoman shouldn't shoot. We can't cut a bargain with them because they have no incentive to "help" us and can't even claim. HE was the one who made the plan centered around killing a townie to help Batman, I said we don't need to do it and realized pretty quickly that BM/CW won't even shoot early game. That makes me catwoman? That's the most desperate call I've ever heard. JayJay says "a scum win is a catwoman win", which is not true. CW wins if Two-Face and Penguin are dead. She does not want scum to win the game before that happens. If that happens, she does not care who wins. It's as simple as that. Yes it is a role that hurts town. It is also a lower priority than lynching mafia. Insinuating that I might be third party or scum for saying we should just use our lynches to kill scum really is a mindfuck and I'm gonna be really disappointed if both of you guys flip green or blue at the end of this game, take some time off to learn how to play town please. There are a lot of FOSs flying around which is good for later analysis. I don't like Kurumi or Palmar right now but it'll take a bit of time to see how that develops. For the time being my strongest reads are on : Liquid'Sheth - Long posts with no substance/easy FOS VE - Posts only to defend himself/others for most of the game CC - FOS me for talking about neutrals when he invented the bad plan focusing on them, advocates lynching third party instead of scum Kurumi - I don't like these "scum list" things, especially on Day 1. It makes it look like you did some work but there's basically no thought in it. No one cares what your little hunches are. It is alright to have some FOSs flying around if you flip it gives us something to go off of, but put some more thought into it, that's all.
To defend myself... First off someone defending me from something not threatening doesn't matter. Do you really think Kat's claim that I wasn't saying much was soo scary that I needed my scumbuddies to take the threat off me?
I didn't even claim FOS on Kenpachi, I just was upset that he claims vanilla town. Its a stupid thing that doesn't help town. Do you disagree with this?
And then I come back with Fluffy comments on Batman? I'd yet to see anyone else bring up the point that Batman should go into reds (better chance of finding Hugo) and then that if he does, that its smart for us to sacrifice Joker for him. (Otherwise he keeps killing off town to find him). This wasn't broughten up at all and is what we should do. If he kills Joker first, theres no way scum is killing off Hugo for him. And to start with I can see why you'd detect if you were batman, to tell where people are, and gain more detailed information on where your targets are. However after a little bit of detecting I can see him just killing those he suspects. Anyway, my main point was that if he finds Hugo, we should sacrifice joker to prevent more town deaths.
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On February 07 2012 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's all good - hopefully we lynch into my list and prove you wrong =D
On Sheth, I agree that he hasn't contributed much outside his initial bout of posts, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it scummy just yet. His posts left me with a feeling that he's eager to find scum, whether he was capable of doing so at the time or not. Tentatively I have a null read on Sheth, but if he doesn't come in here and show that he's willing to put in effort to actually do something, I'm totally okay with lynching Sheth. No question.
Why do you think I'm not willing to put in effort? You also flip flop from that I'm eager to find scum and null with being ok to lynch me. I don't like this play at all.
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Also
@Palmar // @Radfield
Stop A. Posting badly anti-town posts.
Stop B. Lurking to avoid dying to mafia day 1.
If you post bad, I don't think its going to fool the mafia into thinking you're a really bad player Palmar. At least if they've played with you before, and I'm pretty sure most here have.
Radfield, if you die without giving any information its worse then giving some information and then dieing. Look at yourself like a vanilla townie, your soaking up hits for the blues.
You both may or may not get Medic protection even, because your both good vets. So please start posting and giving us your reads. I hate this bad posting day 1 and I realize there isn't a huge amount of information out there right now, but come on give us some information. TBH I might be happy lynching either of you. I hate this style your playing and it only benefits mafia.
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On February 07 2012 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The scenario in which it does make sense for Batman or Catwoman to shoot without a conclusive DT check is late-late-late game just before the next day is LYLO or during LYLO. That is when you can't afford to use a DT check because if you don't hit that same night or the next night you will lose. We aren't in this situation so giving up any town player on day 1 (if it's even legal, still need an answer on that) isn't something we should be thinking about at all.
Just to make it clear, I was only suggesting that it might be wise to give up Joker, if Batman manages to kill Hugo. Not even saying its the best idea for sure, but if we did that, he'd not be forced to shoot into town if were nearing late game.
I didn't realize how important the DT'ing would be, but yes your way does make more sense. In that after thinking about it more, Batman will very likely DT instead of just shooting. Thanks for explaining it for me, I really just didn't get why he would, but now I do.
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On February 07 2012 22:51 Radfield wrote:I agree that Schworz is a bad lynch. He looks fine to me. Palmar you're reading the thread! That must mean your town  I'm down with a Sheth lynch. He's putting in effort, but it's a similar kind of effort as Election Mafia(when he was scum). All his topics are peripheral, he's making long rhetorical posts, and spending too much time talking about irrelevant stuff than he should. That being said, he doesn't feel terrible, but it's that same niggle I got in Election mafia. Sheth, can you point me to a game where you were town? I'm also up for lynching CC. He's been pushing scum agenda this game, which is very much what he has done in the past. In LOTR he pushed scum agenda fearlessly the entire game, and he's doing the same thing here. Joker claiming ASAP is extremely sub-optimal, and does nothing but give mafia something to talk about. You've spent 15 posts talking about 3rd party issues and 2-3 talking about lynching or scummy players. And those have all been about Schworz, who is an easy candidate. Please step it up.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384
Answering as I read through, will get back to Palmar when I'm done.
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On February 07 2012 21:43 Palmar wrote:Warning: this is written as I read, so expect it to be a bit confusing. --------------- Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. This exchange is 100% bullshit. I remember sheth bullshitting quite hard when he was mafia last time, being a lot more reserved whenever I've played with him as town. Maybe we should lynch him. Regarding the rgthewhatever, I don't think he's mafia. His initial post is way too straightforward, to the point and assertive for him to be scum in my opinion. i think any train on him would be a terrible idea. He's bringing in the idea of a random voting stage, where you pick up something tiny, and run with it to start discussion. It's a terrible idea and it's dumb. But it's very unlikely it makes him scum automatically like some of you are trying to imply. I'll show you an example of a weak opening post: Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 18:17 Toadesstern wrote:here I am. Should have waited 5 minutes longer yesterday and I could have instavoted wbg to begin this game  At least I got that little smiley to annoy him. On a more serious note: I don't like people talking about claims d1. That's kenpachi (nothing new there, noone likes Kenpachi...) and Cyber_Cheese right now I think. Actually especially Cyber_Cheese. Why do you think we need to talk about blues so early on, make them / one claim early on to get another "blue" (batman) buffed although we don't know what he's up to yet. Are you trying to get some information and read into what people are saying about that topic to figure out if they're blue or not while talking about that topic? Because that's what I thought right now. This says nothing about Toadesstern's alignment. It doesn't make him scum, but i think rgTS's posts at least look like he came into the thread trying to achieve something. This doesn't. Tunkeg's probably town. DrH has only posted useless stuff so far, no idea what he is. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 19:30 ico wrote:
irst, Kenpachi claiming town on day 1 is bad play, no matter his actual role.
If he indeed does this every game, he deserves to be policy lynched until he stops doing so.
Best post in the thread. Bill Murray is being wrong/useless a lot. No idea what to make of it. Adam's reasoning for voting jaybrundage is rock solid and I like it. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!
##Vote: jaybrundage Kurumi is hilarious as usual, keeping him around is good for entertainment value. OpZ is playing? I hadn't noticed. Maybe we should just hang him. In addition, a wild Kita appeared, he looks less scummy though. Also, VisceraEyes is seriously weak a this point. layabout could be town. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:First of all ##Unvote: kitaman27Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracylayabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout Disagree on all accounts. All the reads are null or town to me in this post, and also, I am correct. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 10:43 Radfield wrote:
Palmar: Toad, VE, Kitaman, what are your thoughts on them.
Why the fuck do you want to talk to me? I'm trolling at this point. I'm just gonna hit post and then collect what's important at this point.
Ok, he starts off suggesting I'm posting fluff to start the game. And that sense in the first game I ever played I was posting fluff as well I might be mafia this time too. The first game I posted fluff because I didn't know any of it and wanted to learn while playing. I was responding there to BM telling me that poking Kenpachi for Vanilla claiming and calling me weak for it. I didn't really think that deserved a completely fully logical post. Turns out he wasn't even talking to me. Palmar using Meta on me, oh the irony.
He then posts this :
On February 07 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote:
We should totally be discussing lynching Hiro, VE or Sheth. At the moment, I'm leaning towards lynching sheth. I see no reason to believe he's town this game. He's posting speculations and questions, mostly just useless fluff, and there is nothing to it that gives me any feeling he could be town.
It's too careful, and too forced.
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So your saying here that what I'm saying is "Speculations and Questions, Fluff, nothing that gives you any feeling I could be town, and I'm too careful and too forced." You give no examples. You don't point out any individual post. Questions are good, and could you point out a post where I'm "too careful and too forced" please! Or just point out any post where I'm like your statement. You're case against me is a complete fluff safe post in itself.
For those of you who jumped onto this really quickly Forumite / Toad / Viscera would you please post reasons other then yea lets get that Sheth guy!
@Forumite You have a feeling about me. Great! And you say that all I'm talking about is policy. Link to some of this man. The main things I've pointed out this game are : Kenpachi shouldn't vanilla claim, Batman should go looking for Hugo Strange first and then it might be smart to give up Joker once that happens. These are things that I was the first to bring up. I realize if Batman is DT'ing first every time, then there would be no reason to give up Joker, but if hes not then rather then have batman continually killing town I think its ok to give up Joker. Why not give some reasons for what this feeling is?
@Toadesstern why am I a "Nice list" and why do you agree with lynching me?
@Ve you're voting for me because I haven't posted my list on who I want to kill yet? I'm still working on that. Now can you give other reasons for why you'd like to kill me?
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On February 08 2012 03:55 Palmar wrote:
I don't usually do post by post analysis sheth.
Tell me, who are your strongest 3 scumreads and strongest 3 townreads. In addition, tell me why each of those earn a spot on your lists. It doesn't have to be long, just explain the thought process behind it.
Nps. I usually like to make a huge write up, but I start coaching in 4 minutes and I'll be busy all day. I just don't have time to do that, which was why I didn't answer that question earlier.
3 Strongest Scum reads
Viscera Eyes - He was extremely defensive against any pressure. This may be his "style", but I don't know about it. It just seemed like a super over reaction. All of his posts strike me as OMGUS. Thats honestly all I have written about him.
Here is where I start having some problems. I don't have 2 other great scum reads. These are more like, I'd like to closely watch. And that I don't trust them at all.
Bill Murray - Hes been really nice to me. Like trying to almost take pressure off. His mass claim idea was horrible. I prefer Kat's trying to lynch me then people trying to defend me. Ok, I'm out of time lol.
Palmar - I'm actually really worried about you already. You come out of the block with rhymes + poems and then go straight for me + 2 others. Then you just change it to me on basically Meta. I'll be interested to see what you do with what I give you here.
3 Strongest Town reads --
Toad -- He thought similar to me early on. Despite him going back and forth I think its a townie going back and forth. I wanted to do an analysis against him, but then I checked and it just seems like a townie to me.
RGTheSchworz -- I've played with him and went after him one game. His response in that game that he was mafia is completely different then this response. This is completely gut. If he changes how hes playing now this might change. But I like his defense atm.
If I had to give a third, I really don't have one. So I'll say myself :D
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As I was thinking more I'm worried about Cyber too, just haven't had a time to filter him, so it might just be because of what others have said.
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Hiro, could you just try and explain why? It seems to me like everyone is just following Palmar's feel. He doesn't even want to play anymore. I just finished coaching so I have a bit of time here that I should be preparing for MLG, but I'll sit and answer questions and figure this out. Lynching me doesn't help at all. I'm happy my town tell on RG looked correct. I don't even understand why I'm getting votes on me.
And as for only posting my reads until pressed, yea, thats because I've wanted to post better ones when I have more time. You haven't posted any reads other then jumping on my bandwagon Rad. Look through the oh he feels scum to me and find a reason at least please. Everyone I've asked for a reason hasn't even responded to me T.T Did you even look at the thread I linked to you Rad? How was my defense mediorce? Give me some reasons people!
Bill, is there a reason you've switched to me too? Could people at least answer my questions back at them. Were not gaining much information by everyone just voting for me on a feel. That doesn't even lead us to finding scum, because then "oh my feel was wrong on Sheth, everyone had that same feel though!" Come on people.
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So here is my vote + reason.
Cyber_Cheese
He posted this :
On February 07 2012 16:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:Let's all claim green btw, to see if it helps town.Shall we? I am not talkinng setup anymore, if you haven't realised that. I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize. Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them. Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone. So why keep my vote on Kenpachi? He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that. How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I? By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate. If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum. I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim. So basically you're apologising for not checking his filter, and you still don't actually have a reason to have voted?
This is the last post in a long line of posts going after RG. RG has now claimed blue as detective and I believe him. Its just something he would do. I realize its horribly bad (RG never claim unless you're sure your going to die at night).
Also he wanted to give up the Joker right away.
On February 06 2012 16:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Kenpachi's claim means absolutely nothing, just like it does every game...
Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started.
My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance.
Should be right after that though.
I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately.
That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead.
To kick off some real discussion.
I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP.
Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies.
Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on?
This isn't something a townie would do. Which leads me to think either Batman or Scum. I'm definitely happy voting for him. I was going to choose VE for my vote, but after reading CC's filter I find it really bad.
He also has such lovely posts as :
On February 06 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
As a side note, if you don't want a topic discussed, add in a topic that will create discussion in it's place.
If you think my stuff is fluff, check out Cyber's filter. So ##Vote Cyber_Cheese
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As of Now -- Vote Count :
Liquid`Sheth (7) -- Katina, Palmar, Forumite, VisceraEyes, Bill Murray, Radfield, Hiro Protagonist
Cyber_Cheese (7) -- Liquid`Sheth, Toadesstern, DoctorHelvatica, Slardar (Hopefully changing it, according to him), Kurumi, Ico, Layabout
rGTheClaimer (5) -- Cyber_Cheese, Kenpachi, -.-Qualis, WhereBugsGo, Chaoser,
Ico (1) -- Adam4167
Layabout (1) -- Tunkeg
DoctorHelvatica (1) -- Jayjay54
Chaoser (1) -- Tobberoth
Toadsstern (1) --Risk.nuke
That's what I've found so far. If you're one of those voting for someone with only one vote, throw your vote on to either myself or Cyber_Cheese or at least make sure you've given a good reason for why its on the person its on. Keep in mind those on me when I die if I die, and flip are most likely mafia trying to bandwagon me. At least keep a close eye on them. Hopefully I'll be able to convince you not to go on me, and we can get a red on Cyber_Cheese
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The first part is just a small thing. Hes actively going against someone that I strongly think to be our Detective.
Then, I've already brought up the fact that hes actively going after RG, so I wouldn't need to bring that up more, I go after him wanting The Joker (A blue Vigilante) to come out. Him starting this should make you want to think that he is red even more. No one should want the Joker to just come out without having already killed Hugo.
And at first you say you were planning on switching over to Cyber_Cheese before I brought up my argument. Why?! What was your reason for wanting to vote Cyber_Cheese?
Then, of course my case is thrown together quickly, and I'm trying to avoid getting lynched. This doesn't change the fact that I think hes red. You posting this has made you look even worse in my eyes. Please, tell me why would Cyber want a blue Vigilante to come out? The logic behind starting that train of thought should only lead you to two places.
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So, now its Liquid`Sheth (8) Risk.nuke added,
Kurumi silently removed his vote from Cyber, because "two scummy people can't both by scummy" and Layabout is thinking of removing his vote from Cyber and putting it on me.
So, that'll be Liquid`Sheth (9) Cyber (5).
Keep in mind these last minute changers please. I'm not giving up, but I don't see what more I can do from here. I don't have time to do much more as I have to get ready for work. This is obviously a bandwagon and if I had to guess the scum out of it I'd say VE (Most obvious, especially because of his post against me), then maybe Kurumi or BM. Anyway, this might be my last post. I should have time to come back and check in one more time.
I might as well claim though, I'm vanilla. Its not much of a claim I wish I had some sort of blue roll to make me not worth killing. Either way, gain a lot of information on this and I think we'll be ok.
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On February 08 2012 07:39 layabout wrote:
Sheth, what is the most pro-town thing that you could do right now?
Do it.
K.
I'm changing my vote off Cyber_Cheese. I'm putting it on VisceraEyes. Let me explain why its important to remove him.
His first post :
Not much going on so far, scummiest thing in the thread is Kenpachi's claim...but obviously he's mothafuckin Kenpachi so that's like whatevs.
Not too much to go on here. Taking pressure off Ken, just getting along with everyone.
Next Post :
+ Show Spoiler +On February 06 2012 15:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:31 Katina wrote:On February 06 2012 15:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 06 2012 15:15 Katina wrote:
I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything. Pretty much everything is something that matters. I'm not sure it matters too much, but its definitely something to look at and think on a little bit imo. I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:41 Katina wrote:On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. .... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process What I find peculiar is how you're able to repeat yourself while saying so little in the process. Are you getting scummy vibes off Sheth? You pickin up a lil red tinge there?
He defends me from Kat. Not much to say here either, other then hes getting along with everyone. Taking pressure off of another person for little reason as well.
Thirdly...
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:I see that Kitaman might be scum! I've made one action this game, and it was an attempt to get clarity from the mod. Somehow this makes me scum? The reason I asked was this: Show nested quote +He infiltrates Arkham City in order to target certain people. Hugo Strange tells him who to shoot each night and thus deadshot will carry out the contract and kill that person. If Hugo Strange is killed, deadshot will no longer be able to carry out his attacks. It's a little ambiguous as to how the deadshot KP works and I wanted mod confirmation that it wasn't what I read it as...which is that Strange gives him a character name and Deadshot kills that guy if he's in the game. The reason I thought it worked this way is because of the fact that not all the names mentioned are guaranteed to be in the game, so it would be a decent way to force scum to think about how they use that KP, because it could be ineffective. Anyway, the fact that anyone is voting for me for this is a little disturbing considering there's already like 3 pages of setup speculation and a mass-claim has been proposed. Kitaman, care to explain your vote in a little detail? Or are you scum just hoping to start a bandwagon?
He calls out Kitaman for being scum for putting any pressure on himself. This post bothers me a lot. Hes suggesting that in the 3 pages of setup speculation there is someone we should be voting for, instead of himself. Yet he never brings that up again. This just feels quite wrong to me.
He then goes after Kitaman with no logic, other then he must be scum, he voted for me!
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just woke up, but you know...whatever. And you're surprised I "showed up quick" at the very start of the game? And what I was doing was NOT defending Sheth...I was pointing out Katina's hypocrisy for saying Sheth isn't saying anything. Get real Doc. If you move your vote, I suggest you move it to Kitaman.
He then says this!!!
On February 07 2012 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:*grumblegrumble* ANYWAY, I guess since trying to understand the setup is scummy, I'll just embrace my ignorance and live up to expectations. ##Vote: kitaman27+ Show Spoiler +My vote is about his lack of reasoning for voting for me, and attempt to start a bandwagon (Forumite also appears to be suspicious of me, so I'm taking kita's vote of me as a direct appeal to him...your mileage may vary.) Clearly all I ever do is OMGUS, so I've spoilered out my actual reasoning since it's imaginary anyway.
What is this post?! Has there ever been a worse town post? I'll embrace my ignorance and live up to bad expectations people have of me. Then he suggests hes posted his reasoning for voting for Kitaman, when clearly he has no reasoning other then that Kitaman put pressure on him. Then he says his reasoning is imaginary anyway. Yes, yes it is.
It ONLY gets worse from here folks.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:First of all ##Unvote: kitaman27Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracylayabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout
He switches here with no reasoning behind it. He goes from voting for Kita, and having posted his reads to "Kita is my weakest read at this point". He thinks Layabout and Katina two people who no offense, haven't posted much of any sustenance to be mafia. This is either horrible play or scum play. I'm leaning towards scum play on him. There is more..
Then this post :
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On February 07 2012 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's all good - hopefully we lynch into my list and prove you wrong =D
On Sheth, I agree that he hasn't contributed much outside his initial bout of posts, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it scummy just yet. His posts left me with a feeling that he's eager to find scum, whether he was capable of doing so at the time or not. Tentatively I have a null read on Sheth, but if he doesn't come in here and show that he's willing to put in effort to actually do something, I'm totally okay with lynching Sheth. No question.
He wants me to come here and put forth effort into actually doing something. He then right after says that he is totally okay with lynching Sheth No question. Just completely contradictory. I think hes townie, but I'm ready to lynch! How is this not a red flag for everyone else!
I then call him out on this in the thread. He replies
On February 07 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 09:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 07 2012 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's all good - hopefully we lynch into my list and prove you wrong =D
On Sheth, I agree that he hasn't contributed much outside his initial bout of posts, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it scummy just yet. His posts left me with a feeling that he's eager to find scum, whether he was capable of doing so at the time or not. Tentatively I have a null read on Sheth, but if he doesn't come in here and show that he's willing to put in effort to actually do something, I'm totally okay with lynching Sheth. No question. Why do you think I'm not willing to put in effort? You also flip flop from that I'm eager to find scum and null with being ok to lynch me. I don't like this play at all. I never said you're not willing to put in effort. I said IF you're not willing to put in effort, then your lynch has my approval. While I got you here though, who do you think is scum and why? All this Batman talk is fascinating, but we DO have to lynch today ya? Who should it be?
He wants me to post my reads on others. I do that and say who I'd like to lynch. I provide the information that he requires later on. We shall see his response then.
He posts this after I've said my read on Cyber_cheese
+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2012 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:All right, I almost made the switch to Cyber_Cheese, but then Sheth posted his case on Cyber_Cheese. I have to say - it's one of the worst cases I've seen. And that should really infuriate Sheth considering that's coming from me. But allow me to ruminate whilst I illuminate. Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote:So here is my vote + reason. Cyber_Cheese He posted this : On February 07 2012 16:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:Let's all claim green btw, to see if it helps town.Shall we? I am not talkinng setup anymore, if you haven't realised that. I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize. Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them. Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone. So why keep my vote on Kenpachi? He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that. How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I? By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate. If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum. I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim. So basically you're apologising for not checking his filter, and you still don't actually have a reason to have voted? This is the last post in a long line of posts going after RG. RG has now claimed blue as detective and I believe him. Its just something he would do. I realize its horribly bad (RG never claim unless you're sure your going to die at night). The first thing I thought when I read this was "…..so what?" Like, it doesn't say why the post is bad, it merely states factually that "This is the last post in a long line of posts going after RG." He then gives his opinion of RG's claim, but that doesn't matter because this is a case against Cyber_Cheese. So what, Sheth? What about that post don't you like? That he doesn't believe the claim and you do? That tells nothing of his alignment. This is a waste of space in the thread. Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote:lso he wanted to give up the Joker right away. On February 06 2012 16:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Kenpachi's claim means absolutely nothing, just like it does every game...
Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started.
My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance.
Should be right after that though.
I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately.
That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead.
To kick off some real discussion.
I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP.
Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies.
Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on? This isn't something a townie would do. Which leads me to think either Batman or Scum. I'm definitely happy voting for him. I was going to choose VE for my vote, but after reading CC's filter I find it really bad. He also has such lovely posts as : On February 06 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
As a side note, if you don't want a topic discussed, add in a topic that will create discussion in it's place. And instead of going after the "long line of posts going after RG", the DT you claim to believe, he then rounds out his case quoting Cyber's first two in-game posts. Only reason given: "This isn't something a townie would do" …why? It's a slightly more complex setup and has guaranteed third-parties. It's true that third party discussion dominated the first part of today, but Cyber_Cheese was doing it before it was cool man. [/hipster] In short, I disagree…concisely giving his thoughts on the third party situation then adding that if you DON'T want to talk about third parties, then come up with a different topic very much IS something a townie would do. Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
If you think my stuff is fluff, check out Cyber's filter. So ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I did - it has fleshed out opinions on players and participation in town discussion. This is NOT something I see going over your filter. All and all, I feel like this case is a desperate attempt by scum trying to avoid the lynch by trying to appear contributing, but falling short. It looks thrown together. It looks scummy. Everyone vote for Liquid`Sheth. I may or may not give you an e-cookie.
I do admit that my claim against Cyber wasn't the greatest. However the fact that Viscera was willing to switch off of me, and go for Cyber_Cheese, someone he hasn't even mentioned should be another huge tell. He says that here :
All right, I almost made the switch to Cyber_Cheese, but then Sheth posted his case on Cyber_Cheese. I have to say - it's one of the worst cases I've seen. And that should really infuriate Sheth considering that's coming from me. But allow me to ruminate whilst I illuminate.
All of this is just him being a scum. He has flip flopped between many candidates for lynch. And from the reasons I have given above is a scum to me. Layabout wanted the last thing I could think to do as town and here it is. I don't want Cyber_Cheese lynched, I'm not sure hes mafia I just have a hunch. I'm much more certain that VE is and as such despite probably dying in the process I'll put my vote on him. ##Vote VisceraEyes
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I'm here still somewhat. Checking in in between games. I've tried my best as town and given you the reads I do have. As lynches go, I'm still the surest on VisceraEyes being mafia. Hopefully we can get some more to change there mind about me. I'm fighting guys, I'm not mafia. Don't lynch me.
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On February 08 2012 10:23 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm here still somewhat. Checking in in between games. I've tried my best as town and given you the reads I do have. As lynches go, I'm still the surest on VisceraEyes being mafia. Hopefully we can get some more to change there mind about me. I'm fighting guys, I'm not mafia. Don't lynch me. C_C or switch?
I'm not getting any votes switched on to VE, so to me it looks like tonight it will probably be either me or C_C. I'd rather switch Kurumi(go on to VE),but others won't, so I won't blame you either way. I know I'm not mafia, so we can kill CC and have a chance at Mafia. You've seen my arguments against him, and they aren't great. But I do think his claiming Joker come out is a bit crazy.
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I'm here for a second Kitaman, I have to play again soon though so whats up?
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Yea, nps Kita. I didn't realize this is allowed. Do I provide a link or ?
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Like, its Open Office, spreadsheet. It has my thoughts on most ppl, some didn't get on once I started getting a lot of pressure on me I stopped doing it.
Mafiaaaaa
Tobberoth Voting VisceraEyes, Becase of over reaction.
Layabout “Lets all vote for no good reason!” Not wanting to vote Kenpachi, Others wasting time!
VisceraEyes OMGUS
Kurumi Pointing out his reads on everyone (New or Not!)
Jackal58 Two Trolls – Noob – Cowboy (Kurumi outting them) Ok Killing Radfield if he doesn't post soon.
Palmar Being rude. Going after people for being “Stupid” Thinks like I did. Batman just killing ppl +
Bill Murray Calling the Claim weak, not me. Voting Kenpachi
Radfield Actively Lurking
JayJay54 Actively Lurking is scummy Up for Lynching Me.
CyberCheese Agreed with my plan about Hugo + Joker coming out.
Slardar Lurking a bit, yet still helping out.
Toadestern Not caught up yet. Lurkers Priority of Lynches Voting Me! CC Layabout Then Ken / Pal/ BM
DoctorHelv People are Stupid, afraid of Palmar (Respect)
Bill Murray Thought I was scum, changed mind in the same post.
Katina Thinks I'm rambling.
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I mean, I could be mafia and have made that just in case I was asked. I did talk about it, so I knew you knew I had it. And its not insanely detailed, so maybe I just kept it light because I'm mafia. However its just because I was under pressure and have been spending all of my time defending myself. Thats if nothing else all my basic memory aids for remembering everyone and maybe it'll give you some idea when I flip. =[
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Hey Kurumi,
Just for future reference. Sometimes its good to step back and re-evaluate. I used to just tunnel people at times and I think that's what you're doing here. I get this won't get you to take your vote off, I'm just saying once I flip and your like oh crap maybe I shouldn't have went for him so hard, just think back on this when you play the rest of the game.
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Kurumi, I'm here defending myself and actually caring. C_C isn't even here talking. I'm giving my spreadsheet and everything. He has 6 votes, to my 8. If you and me both go to C_C he will die instead of me. Please, I'm not mafia. You're basing this on what others are doing. You think what others are doing is defending me, yet WBG isn't even voting C_C so he clearly doesn't care if I die. I want to have another day to prove myself at least Kurumi.
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On February 08 2012 11:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:44 Kurumi wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 08 2012 11:39 Kurumi wrote:
The only way I can push Your case is to push it indirectly, thus trying to lynch the person You're defending, because I don't see how people are going to suddenly switch a lot of votes to someone while a lot are players from EU.
Kenpachi, I know You're typing my name in vote thread. lol. So if Sheth flips town you'll call me scum for "knowing" his alignment? And if he flips scum, you'll call me scum for defending him too! I see how this is ^^ too bad I'm like four steps ahead of you. What's funny is that you say you know no one is going to suddenly switch votes to me because of the number of players from EU (who will probably be sleeping) but you accuse me of reviving a discussion that apparently died while I was asleep. Town defends Town with fury, power, huge posts and screaming all over the place. Scumbuddies prefer to help each other whispering and lending hands while noone looks. right. That's definitely how you defended RG right? rofl. If you didn't know, I actually defend harder when I'm scum because when I'm scum I already know the alignments. I know for sure as scum that I can defend someone hard because I know they'll flip a certain alignment. That's actually what I do a lot as scum because it makes me look good later when the lynch flips town and I can tell everyone, "yo fuckers I was right listen to me now." i'm not 100% sure sheth will flip town but I will bet a lot of money he will just based on how many people are bandwagoning him and how absolutely no one besides me is actually defending him.
Would you throw your vote on C_C then please? There is still a chance I won't die tonight....
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On February 08 2012 11:51 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:51 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Kurumi, I'm here defending myself and actually caring. C_C isn't even here talking. I'm giving my spreadsheet and everything. He has 6 votes, to my 8. If you and me both go to C_C he will die instead of me. Please, I'm not mafia. You're basing this on what others are doing. You think what others are doing is defending me, yet WBG isn't even voting C_C so he clearly doesn't care if I die. I want to have another day to prove myself at least Kurumi. Another day to prove Yourself? Deal.
Thank you. I do appreciate it. As my last match of MLG is tonight, I'll have tomorrow to spend a lot more time on this.
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On February 09 2012 11:26 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, this has certainly been a useless interesting night.
Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such.
Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please.
Others who need to taste of the delicious rope:
Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why.
DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch.
hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content.
Just got caught up on whats going on here. Sheth somehow managed to get out of the lynch yesterday which was very surprising for me. I think he's scum because of the pointless ramble in the begining that was more confusing and that's not really helping out the town. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, Bill --
Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good.
They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death.
Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map.
Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. More like trying to take up space and make reading take a bit longer to get through than it already is =.=. Sheth has been pretty quiet until the possibilty of his lynch started coming up. When the votes started rolling in is when he discovered a voice and started building up cases against VE and CC to divert our attention from him to them. He convinced others to switch out their vote and give him an extra day. Why not say something and prove yourself useful to town until the last few hours? Toad is looking pretty scummy to me as well at this point by starting a claim that sent the whole thread into chaos for a good few pages. That is valuable time and posts that could have been spent on helping the town instead of causing an uproar. Then later trying to play it off and get rid of the attention caused by his post. Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 02:58 Toadesstern wrote:
stop talking about my claim, stop claiminging yourself. My claim makes sense, deal with it.
Everyone who proceeds to talk about this now might as well be a nice vig target for those of you out there.
I did not think my claim would bomb this thread so much. I thought we're maybe going to have a bunch of posts calling me bullshit and some believing me and afterwards everyone moves on.
I already said catwoman can't kill me tonight. I will explain things tomorrow, for now leave it and ask me tomorrow if you want to. This is not helping town and I do apologize for this shitstorm I created but I still think what I did was right. So everyone move along and talk about something useful or leave it as it is right now. Discussing my situation is not helping town and I can't undo it. Why try and get everyone to move on from your claim if it is what you thought was the right thing to do? If it was that important then why apologize? That doesn't really make much sense to me. Others came in trying to divert attention from your claim as well. Having your mafia buddies step in to help get the heat of you? That's my opinion so far.
I'm here, just waiting on day. Had a busy day today as well. Casted for 5 hours + finished the tour. I said give me one more day to prove myself. Its not even been one night.
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Well, just woke up.
Been working pretty much all day yesterday and sleeping twice. Sorry I haven't gotten to post much. Seems a lot has went down in the Mason Network. First off Radfields lying or I'm a miller. I can't think of a great reason why he would though. Like, if I die and flip green then town kills him, and I don't think he was under that much pressure.
I'm guessing maybe mafia has a "janitor" roll or something that allows my flip not to be shown? Or a Framer roll where they can frame me as red a turn. Either way, I know I'll flip green. We're wasting a lynch here. So the options as I see them are :
1. Radfield is mafia and you'll kill him after I flip green.
2. There is a mafia "Framer" someone who changes my appearance to DT's.
3. I'm a "Miller".
I'm not mafia. You should find it weird that neither Palmar nor Radfield have talked about these possibilities at all. They are both veterans and should know that these are options. I think mafia are sitting laughing right now because when I flip Miller you'll be confused.
I will say though that there really isn't any way for me to prove it and town will gain the most information I think from lynching me. You'll find out that I'm not actually red and can go after those who have bandwagoned me here. Second day in a row that I'm just getting nearly every vote on me. Take care of who starts these and who blindly follows along. I'll still be spending today looking for scum and trying to help out as I can.
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On February 10 2012 02:24 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, just woke up.
Been working pretty much all day yesterday and sleeping twice. Sorry I haven't gotten to post much. Seems a lot has went down in the Mason Network. First off Radfields lying or I'm a miller. I can't think of a great reason why he would though. Like, if I die and flip green then town kills him, and I don't think he was under that much pressure.
I'm guessing maybe mafia has a "janitor" roll or something that allows my flip not to be shown? Or a Framer roll where they can frame me as red a turn. Either way, I know I'll flip green. We're wasting a lynch here. So the options as I see them are :
1. Radfield is mafia and you'll kill him after I flip green.
2. There is a mafia "Framer" someone who changes my appearance to DT's.
3. I'm a "Miller".
I'm not mafia. You should find it weird that neither Palmar nor Radfield have talked about these possibilities at all. They are both veterans and should know that these are options. I think mafia are sitting laughing right now because when I flip Miller you'll be confused.
I will say though that there really isn't any way for me to prove it and town will gain the most information I think from lynching me. You'll find out that I'm not actually red and can go after those who have bandwagoned me here. Second day in a row that I'm just getting nearly every vote on me. Take care of who starts these and who blindly follows along. I'll still be spending today looking for scum and trying to help out as I can. well, two millers died tonight, I don't think there is a third one which is conviniently just you. I am new at this game, but I think the framer excuse is kind of a desperation move as scum isn't it. Radfield's check choice makes sense, you were under fire yesterday pretty heavily. There is not much speaking for your story...
Well, what are the odds that the only two vanilla townies who died are insane... Makes a lot of sense that there would be more.
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On February 10 2012 08:10 Kurumi wrote:
Also Viscera, WBG is voting me because I accussed him of being scum day 1 and actually was right, but Sheth made puppy eyes and I doubted my ability to play this game.
Fuck puppy eyes
Can't wait for my flip. I can't even argue my way out of this because of the sheer mass of people just saying kill me. I'm collecting what reads I have and will submit them right before I die.
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On February 11 2012 05:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ill take that bet.
I want 5$ son.
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I'm reading everything, and like I said, I think lynching me is optimal at this point. We'll get to either kill radfield or I'm a miller. You will find out a lot from this, and before I die I'll give you all my reads on everyone. Please at least take the time to read them. I know you can do it town, keep in mind those who push for lynches, but not because they look scummy. (I feel like this is the best way to find the third party and you can then tell them apart from mafia as well).
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On February 11 2012 05:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 05:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm reading everything, and like I said, I think lynching me is optimal at this point. We'll get to either kill radfield or I'm a miller. You will find out a lot from this, and before I die I'll give you all my reads on everyone. Please at least take the time to read them. I know you can do it town, keep in mind those who push for lynches, but not because they look scummy. (I feel like this is the best way to find the third party and you can then tell them apart from mafia as well). did you see the picture layabout did? You could make a picture like that as well or make an excel sheet with 31 names, and give everyone a different color. I'm not going to link you my sheet but I can show my explanation on the right side + Show Spoiler [click me!] +Those blue things are obviously something you should leave out. They're for me to keep track of all those blue slips to figure out why someone is doing something. However telling mafia who blueslipped is not a useful talent toi have so just use green for those people like they never said a word about blues. That would be pretty useful and a little text for everyone if you want to do that as well. Not a huge essay/case but maybe one or two phrases. If someone is a null just leave them white or whatever. Also I don't think telling us your green reads is bad at this moment because we're lynching you for a reason but if you don't want to tell mafia who's your strongest green read (they might kill him just because of that the next night) just use the same color for everyone you think is green, no matter if he is "slighty leaning green" or "confirmed green" in your opinion.
Hm, I'll do the spreadsheet thing. I'm not good at making pictures....
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gg guys
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