All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that:

Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at?

Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself?

Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no.

Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!

##Vote: jaybrundage

Adam4167

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February 06 2012 13:14 GMT

#267

On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote:
And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town.

You sir, are already posting garbage, that's 2 for 2.

I clearly have no idea what team he is on, nor was my vote serious in any capacity.

We here to lynch scum, not 'stupid' townies.

Adam4167

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February 06 2012 13:47 GMT

#281

On February 06 2012 22:34 ico wrote:

It is way to early in day 1 to go for a random vote. The person Adam votes for has not even posted in the thread yet. I'd not care so much about it if it was close to the posting and voting deadline, which makes a random vote excusable, but still not desired.
Please note I have not put my vote on him yet, about ten people haven't even posted and day 1 still lasts for quite a while.

But I am seriously irritated by the fact that actions like day1 townclaim or early day 1 random votes are done at all and get defended by other posters.

Day 1 town claims should be considered null. They're complete fluff and should have zero impact on your decision to vote someone.

We are in the 'RVS' or Random Voting Stage. Its perfectly acceptable to randomly vote someone to generate discussion. Hey look, its working right now!

I am however interested in why you're taking such great offense to my (and Kenpachis) actions. You're making these actions out to be much worse then they actually are.

Adam4167

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February 07 2012 19:17 GMT

#632

@BM

You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.

You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.

I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).

You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.

Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.

I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.

##Vote: Ico

Adam4167

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February 07 2012 19:49 GMT

#647

Oh, Ill be here. I just slept for the last 20 hours.

How is he in line for a mod-kill when hes already posted, and got his vote in?

How was that post "timed perfectly"? I wrote shit, I clicked post.

It is hardly a delayed OMGUS. Since hes called me out once, does that bar me from ever voting him for the rest of the game or be branded as an OMGUS'er?

He posts his 'reads', but are they really reads? he titles it 'lets discuss current votes' and then regurgitates what everyone has already said about the leading vote-getters.

Lets take a look at them shall we:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote:
@kitaman27 to be honest, I had to take a step back from the thread and figure out whether or not all the spam/trolling was normal for a game here.

Let's discuss current votes:

rgTheSchworz: I do not think he is scum. His case against kenpachi is weak, which is weird considering how easy a vote for kp is to justify. Because of that, I give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him a townie who is in over his head.

Cyber_Cheese actually makes a decent vote, I'll repeat myself and say how scummy I find him being very active during a time he excused himself for prior. He is also fishing for the Joker. And he enabled DoctorSpamalot going on and on about batman, littering the thread. After his vote on RG gains some following he vanishes.

Adam4167: Already talked about him, by the time he posts there are options for real/pressure votes available, yet he elects to go with a "random" vote on someone who had not posted by that time.

He is in turn directly defended by DoctorSpamalot, which is weird. I really don't like how many pointless posts I had to read because of him. But dislike does not make a good case, so I can not vote for DoctorHelveticus at this time. Should he keep spamming I'll have to reconsider. I missed my opportunity to go after him 15 pages ago, which sucks.

Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt.

So for now:
##Vote Cyber_Cheese

@BM: what are taking?
@Kitaman27: Why did you just write your vote down here and not in the actual vote thread?

Alright, back to catching up with the thread.

-He states that RGSchworz is probably not scum due to his case on Kenpachi being crap. RGSchowrz entire case revolved around Kenpachi's townie claim, something which Ico took offense to originally. How does this make his case crap then, if they share points of view?

-Cheese. Well i mean just look at it. He calls cheese scummy for declaring his inactivity, then when cheese actually DOES go inactive, he calls him out for 'vanishing'. This is making something out of nothing.

-His argument against me is 'ive already talked about it', then regurgitated what you said.

-He says DrH spams a lot, and if he 'should continue to spam, ill have to rethink him not being scum'. Its a nothing read, capped off with 'i missed my opportunity to go after him 15 pages ago, which sucks'. Its never too late to scum hunt, if you think there's anything there, follow it up.

-His line on sheth contradicts itself at the outset. 'I cant read his play, its scummy'. Well is it null ... or scummy? pick. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt after you've just called them 'scummy' is lazy.

There's hardly an original thought in here. All of his reads are lazy and or contradictory. He tries to highlight 'bad play' and label it as a 'threat to town', a scum tactic.

My vote stands.

Adam4167

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February 07 2012 20:14 GMT

#657

Why clutter the thread with more noise at this stage?

Me and jay have a history of trying to get each other killed. So far i'm winning.

Last game I got my votes in, from another state, while at a funeral and drunk 95% of the time. I make it happen because I care. I was always coming back to change that vote on JB. Zombie Apocalypse or no.

If my case on Kurumi was so 'solid','decent' and 'legit', why not pick it up and run with it yourself? I still think he has a chance of flipping scum, but he also has good town play, as evident in TL50. It'll shine through in a day or two, or we hang him, pretty simple. Currently I'm focusing on someone who I see doing nil for town, while Kurumi proves his 'worth'.

Adam4167

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February 07 2012 20:39 GMT

#669

On February 08 2012 05:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
6 votes was the Largest wagon 6 or so h before lynchtime. If scum were going to hop on it, I would be d

You assume that most of them weren't already on it.

There's always a lot of movement in the last 6 hours, with people like Palmar telling everyone to get off your wagon, you were never at risk.

Too late now, dwelling on this is pointless. Get as many decent reads out before you're cat food.

Adam4167

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February 08 2012 09:32 GMT

#909

On February 08 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote:
Its either you or me, someone have to go, I'm fine either way.

You're seriously pulling this card again after saying after Student Mafia how much of a brain-fart it was?

Adam4167

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February 09 2012 05:42 GMT

#1276

Can we agree to kick Day 2 off without the levels of retardation of Day 1?

No more claims PLEASE.

Adam4167

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February 09 2012 05:59 GMT

#1279

Kitaman, did you find sheths spreadsheet convincing? Enough to consider him town?

What is happening with the two people that didn't vote yesterday?

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 09 2012 06:57 GMT

#1287

Did you get his identity or just a 'guilty' check?

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 09 2012 07:24 GMT

#1292

If he was an insane DT, I think that might have come up by now.

So we're left with him being an 'alignment cop' with a correct read on you, or hes just lying and trying to drag you down as he dies.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 09 2012 07:40 GMT

#1295

This is exactly why all the day 1 role claiming was stupid. We are now going to waste half of day 2 debating this crap.

In an effort to head that off, lets talk about something more productive. Who do you think we should lynch today Doc? I'm not seeing many clear posts in your filter about who you believe to be scum.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 09 2012 07:52 GMT

#1299

... if he were catwoman, his check would be accurate and that would make you red.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 09 2012 09:08 GMT

#1328

I also spotted another Blueslip out of DrH earlier:

On February 09 2012 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He's not really in danger though so even if he was scum I don't see why he'd lie. There is a rule against saying the hidden part of your role directly until after it is resolved so he might not be allowed to tell anything beyond "I'm a DT".

BC says it's fine to make up fake powers though.

Unless he heard it in the phone-booth of manloving.

I am far more suspicious of rGtheSchworz at this point, as every description in the OP that includes a DT or being DT'd seems to heavily indicate that it will be a role-reveal, not alignment reveal.

Answers will come in 6 hours, otherwise, start taking his neck measurements.