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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 07:26 GMT
#1293
He's not really in danger though so even if he was scum I don't see why he'd lie. There is a rule against saying the hidden part of your role directly until after it is resolved so he might not be allowed to tell anything beyond "I'm a DT".

BC says it's fine to make up fake powers though.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 07:44 GMT
#1296
Tunkeg and Radfield, I'll make a case once this gets figured out since no one will listen to me. If rG isn't insane then obviously he is scum or CW or something.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:05 GMT
#1301
On February 09 2012 16:52 Adam4167 wrote:
... if he were catwoman, his check would be accurate and that would make you red.


If he were Catwoman he might just be lying. He can't claim Catwoman anyway, I was just thinking in a general scenario that usually only scum and SK's make big role/night action lies like this unless they're doing some super convoluted trap play. CW doesn't really make sense though unless he is CW and didn't actually use a DT on me at all, but why me? He's either insane or lying. I don't understand what his motive for lying as town would be. As scum it's not necessarily a terrible play but I really do believe his claim.

It could be a way to get town to waste a lynch then later claim insanity. They might know that the real Two-Face may not even counterclaim because of Catwoman's unblockable hit. Has a mafia fake counterclaim ever happened?

If he claims he isn't insane and nobody comes out again saying "No I'M Two-Face" then I'll probably get lynched. I'll flip town and rG will get hit or stacked up that night but forcing the town to waste a Day 2 lynch is just gonna bring the town closer to LYLO and give the rest of the scum a chance to come out and say "Yeah I thought his claim was probably bullshit lol" to get town cred. I like bussing as mafia personally so I totally understand a play like that in theory but the nature of how all the claims came out really makes me doubt that rG is mafia at all.

The ending of this game is gonna be interesting when everyones role PMs are revealed.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:05 GMT
#1302
On February 09 2012 17:02 Toadesstern wrote:
I still don't know what to make out of Schworz, especially the fact that he's still alive.

Sadly I can't tell you if I got hit tonight because mechanism of being immortal doesn't tell me if I get hit. Maybe I got hit by mafia, maybe I got hit by a vig, maybe I got hit by thirdparty. I would have survived all those yesterday and given the flips I'm going to survive them again tonight. So it's another night of immortality but I don't know if I used that power.


I thought you fake claimed. So you're not two-face but you are immortal?

Did you "hire" somebody? You might know what I'm talking about.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:12 GMT
#1305
Why? You claimed two-face and immortality, I don't understand which parts of your claim were real and which were fake. If you are indeed immortal then that's interesting to me because I know about that but I'm not sure that there is more than one immortal role in the game. All it would do is confirm you as town to me. If you're town scum already knows that so what's the harm in answering? I'm not going to out who you are.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:24 GMT
#1309
On February 09 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Could be that Schworz is bullshitting and picked something up what I breadcrumbded day1 as mafia as well but I don't think so.


Excuse me?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:25 GMT
#1310
Besides that, you check out. Toadesstern is town. So who is the real Two-Face? Palmar or rG?

rG if you aren't insane why would you lie?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:48 GMT
#1314
On February 09 2012 17:47 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 16:24 Adam4167 wrote:
If he was an insane DT, I think that might have come up by now.

So we're left with him being an 'alignment cop' with a correct read on you, or hes just lying and trying to drag you down as he dies.


There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate.

Nope, I'm blue.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 08:56 GMT
#1322
On February 09 2012 17:51 Tunkeg wrote:
DrH, what role did you claim? And where?

None and it will remain that way unless it is absolutely necessary to avoid being lynched. I know what role Toadesstern has. He isn't lying about being immortal.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:02 GMT
#1325
Revealing the category of my power role would put me and the town at a disadvantage so I won't do it. Like I said, if it's necessary to avoid getting lynched then that's fine. Otherwise it's best for medics to protect me, which will keep both myself and Toades alive indefinitely.

I was going to make my case on both you and Radfield today, but I'd like to wait for rG to explain himself a little. If he doesn't claim insanity then either he is scum or BC is a bastard mod. I'm willing to take my chances on the former. It's a crazy situation but that doesn't matter, an outright lie like that is about the scummiest thing you can do. Considering the mafias hit on me failed they might just want me lynched.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:08 GMT
#1329
On February 09 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 17:54 Toadesstern wrote:
stop giving Schworz excuses. I want him to get his ass in this thread and explain what the fuck is going on and why he is lying to us.


I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch.


Please explain to me how that would work? It's impossible that both me and rG are telling the truth unless he is insane.

I ask BC "Is there any possibility that our role PMs are not completely true? Can somebody get a result other than "ROLE" by DT checking me?" and he says No. I ask BC "Are there roles roles that have a mechanic that is not known to the player possessing that role?" and he says that is not the case. Meaning if rGTheSchworz has any chances of getting an unreliable check, he would know about it.

So all that's left to figure out is if rG is insane or BC is withholding some other information from me. If he is sane then one of us is a liar.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:19 GMT
#1334
"think you are a regular inmate."

Insane Inmate is just a miller bro.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:30 GMT
#1342
Yeah, we can prove it when we need to but why don't we just shut up about this until rG explains his sanity? We might die at night but it's worth it if we can lynch scum.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:36 GMT
#1347
We can't figure it out with rG and Palmar sleeping so I'd rather not make another 2-3 pages of this that aren't necessary. It's just more for people to read and we're all repeating ourselves.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:42 GMT
#1357
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

Did you not claim to be Two-Face and lie about being masoned with Toadesstern?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:49 GMT
#1366
On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red?
Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role?


Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed...

Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well.


On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red?
Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role?


Why do you think DrH is blue?


See the above. Toades also pointed out the specific post in which I was able to confirm my named role to him. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa. I will reveal my named role only if it is necessary to save myself but I will not elaborate on who toadesstern is or what my hidden power is.

@Palmer


On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host).



On February 09 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I'm bored, but I need to sleep.

I changed my two face kill back to risk.nuke, he needs to die hardcore.



On February 09 2012 06:11 Palmar wrote:
Remember, we get to invite two people to our mason circle tomorrow.


etc
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:51 GMT
#1369
On February 09 2012 18:44 ico wrote:
#Vote Palmar

Either him or Jackal were lying about the Phoneqt. It was confirmed to exist by BC, and Jackal turned up as exactly what he claimed yesterday.
That leaves Palmar, who by his actions further confused and irritated everyone* instead of helping to clear them up.


*me. And slardar basically got killed because of this phone crap.

You're misunderstanding. Palmar first lied saying he wasn't part of the phone network when really he had been posting in it for a long time and was invited by Radfield on the first day. Then he lied about being Two-Face and being in a mason group with Toadesstern then retracted his claim when rG claimed.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:52 GMT
#1370
On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:45 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red?
Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role?


Why do you think DrH is blue?


because he told me his role, he told me my role he told me part of my role pm, he told me part of his role pm, he claimed right.

Yeah I am inclined to believe in what docH says given that everything makes sense and he was DYING to know what I'm up to.


And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum".

It goes both ways. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 09:55 GMT
#1376
On February 09 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:44 ico wrote:
#Vote Palmar

Either him or Jackal were lying about the Phoneqt. It was confirmed to exist by BC, and Jackal turned up as exactly what he claimed yesterday.
That leaves Palmar, who by his actions further confused and irritated everyone* instead of helping to clear them up.


*me. And slardar basically got killed because of this phone crap.

You're misunderstanding. Palmar first lied saying he wasn't part of the phone network when really he had been posting in it for a long time and was invited by Radfield on the first day. Then he lied about being Two-Face and being in a mason group with Toadesstern then retracted his claim when rG claimed.


I was invited by Jackal I think? I just got a link in a PM.

You had been posting it in for a pretty long time.

Why did you do this:

On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote:
I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that.

He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante)

So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 10:01 GMT
#1382
If there is still serious doubt later in the day cycle I will claim my name. It is a minor disadvantage to town because it gives the mafia some information I'd rather they not have but if this continues to be a major distraction then it's for the best.

The language I used was specific enough I think that I couldn't have picked it up off of Toades' own breadcrumbs. I thought you made up the immortality power actually as well as the Two-Face claim, it was the fact that you were still claiming to be immortal that made me realize who you were.
RIP Aaliyah
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