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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 04:10 GMT
#895
I'm very surprised. I was expecting Batman more than anything else really.

Ivy/Hush protect Jackal58 tonight, he's a confirmed townie, everyone else follow your own reasoning.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 09:18 GMT
#904
It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 10:08 GMT
#914
On February 08 2012 18:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 18:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please.


Why did you vote for him then?

Because I thought CC was scum.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 10:13 GMT
#915
On February 08 2012 18:22 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 18:21 Tunkeg wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please.


This is what I do. I think your view on the Joker Claim is wrong, and you just see one side of the arguement, meaning you have an agenda behind it, a anti-town agenda...



And don't worry you are only number 3 on my list, I won't focus on you until at least chaoser is dead and gone away.

I'm not worried. I just don't think it was the right move. Lots of townies make bad plans in Mafia games. Sandroba has done it a lot as town. LSB has done it in almost every game as town.

Joker claim Day 1 is not the right move for town, it might be a legitimate move later in the game. How this proves I am catwoman to CC or anti-town is beyond me. It would be nice if someone had a logical argument beyond "CC was town therefore his plan is right and anyone who voted for him is scum."

Consider also I missed about 8-9 pages of discussion when my internet was turned off and I haven't even read any of Chaosers posts in this thread that I'm aware of. Was he tunneling CC? When I dropped my vote on CC he didn't have a bandwagon started on him really and I didn't make a serious case because I was waiting for him to wake up so he could respond to my pressure, which might have been satisfactory. Anyone who was in the mason group with me can confirm this exact reasoning. When I woke up, I had no internet and couldn't post anything. Bill was paid late and I had to call AT&T.

I'm gonna have to read back through those pages and filter out the players that stand out. The question I'm trying to answer looking back is whether mafia split the vote and moved on to CC to protect Sheth or not.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 10:16 GMT
#917
On February 08 2012 19:14 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:21 Palmar wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please.


Why did you vote for him then?

Because I thought CC was scum.


LIE!!!!

You wrote many times you thought CC was Batman...

But I think you are scum and you knew CC was on the townside...

I wrote here that I thought he is probably Batman because he didn't roleclaim as a gut reaction 7 minutes before the lynch. I thought that either he was Batman and Scum was trying to get him lynch with toadesstern leading the way or that he was indeed scum and my initial feelings were right. It was a WIFOM situation and I thought it best to vote for him when I did, which was much before the bandwagon on him started. I was not able to even be part of the majority of the discussion that led to this lynch because I had no access to the internet. When I voted for him I thought he was scum or batman, but it was my most confident vote for day 1 besides maybe toadesstern or sheth who I may have changed my vote to if I had a chance to read what was even going on
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 10:21 GMT
#919
Did you check with BC? You might have just got yourself modkilled :/
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 10:26 GMT
#922
Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred?

I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 10:35 GMT
#924
Fair enough. I personally would have insinuated I was a DT or a Vig and caught as many bullets as I can. Hopefully Schworz can survive as well, maybe the remaining medics should protect him and the mafia are forced to stack a hit or use a roleblock, either way we'll have a check that can get posted in here.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 23:28 GMT
#1217
Wow you guys are really fucking new at this game if you think you're gonna lynch somebody because a mason exists. Jackal58 is zsasz, the vigilante mason. He invited players to a phone network. This is common in PM games. The OP EVEN STATES that some roles might be able to PM. It is not a totally open set-up, it is already proven that some power roles in this game have hidden powers that are not stated in the OP. I'd guess that all of them do.

- zsasz in the game, explains the "phone network" flavor

I'm guessing the people who got upset about it were town since it's likely mafia already knew about the QT and nobody blew up on me when I mentioned it several times.

Need to catch up here, only one two-face can be real. It's probably rG I think.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2012 23:29 GMT
#1220
On February 09 2012 08:27 evantrees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 08:06 kitaman27 wrote:
Out of all the things you can talk about evantrees, you decide to discuss whether or not this is a normal game?

Started with some simpler stuff to respond to, posted then went to read the QT.

"evantrees has been even more quiet than usual."
I feel like I have had less to complain about, trying to do less of that anyways, after some comments from L think it was postgame.

Catwoman if you would be so kind as to let our DT live a little while, this mess will probably continue giving you a chance to hide, go look for the penguin at this rate two face will probably be dead when you get back.

Can we strongly consider lynching the next person to claim without a damned reason?

Palmer who was in the lead for dumbest post when cheese was lynched?

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:59 Toadesstern wrote:
what's the deadline in KST?
I said I'm going to talk about it tomorrow and I might as well just do it a minute before the deadline to make sure (for you) I'm not bullshitting you guys.

The deadline is 1 Kst.

Slardar what part of "unless a role states otherwise." don't you get.

"DT is also a self-confirmable role and difficult to pull off as mafia"
DT not as hard to fake when they have one of their own is it?

DT is the riskiest role to fake because while you can check your own guys, you end up having to hand over your scumbuddies. Faking DT actually benefits the town on some level and no good town player is stupid enough to be fooled by that, although they'll gladly take the free scum lynches.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 00:19 GMT
#1228
On February 09 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, this has certainly been a useless interesting night.

Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such.

Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please.

Others who need to taste of the delicious rope:

Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why.

DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch.

hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content.


To clear things up, I thought C_C was scum up until 5 minutes before the deadline and because my internet was out I didn't even have the opportunity to read anything regarding the Sheth lynch who was already on my list of suspicious parties, just a bit under Cyber_Cheese at the time. The fact that I was only able to apply reasoning that was 10 or 15 pages in the past definitely set me back. I lost time and that definitely affected how I voted.

If I thought a player was CW and I didn't already have my vote on them (which was placed because I thought they were scum) and there was actually time before the deadline, I would switch and encourage others to do so as well. This is not the case. I was the person who said even IF WE FIND Catwoman 100% we should not lynch her, something that others called me scum for saying because that's an "anti-town" motive somehow.

Anyway, I hope that clears it up. I don't know which page I explain the time loss on but I believe it was in response to Jay or Tunkeg, you can find it a page or two after the night post.

Also why call out hiro for his low content instead of other players who are not contributing? Why is hiro so scummy that you'd like to "pull the trigger" but not OpZ, Kenpachi, or the other guy whose name starts with a T (don't even remember, he defended me at one point though).
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 00:20 GMT
#1229
On February 09 2012 09:16 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +
Wow you guys are really fucking new at this game if you think you're gonna lynch somebody because a mason exists. Jackal58 is zsasz, the vigilante mason. He invited players to a phone network. This is common in PM games. The OP EVEN STATES that some roles might be able to PM. It is not a totally open set-up, it is already proven that some power roles in this game have hidden powers that are not stated in the OP. I'd guess that all of them do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr9gAAMP1_Q - zsasz in the game, explains the "phone network" flavor


I'm guessing the people who got upset about it were town since it's likely mafia already knew about the QT and nobody blew up on me when I mentioned it several times.

Need to catch up heore, only one two-face can be real. It's probably rG I think.

As mafia, i would almost certainly pretend to have not known about the QT, since mafia 99% about the QT, openly complaining about it being hidden from you seems like a cheap way to buy town cred.

Nobody in town should be openly speculating about who they think the town blues are when the non-town players are deciding who to shoot.

Seems like you'd say "There's a mason qt? Why has no one mentioned this guys explain" instead of "wow you're scum or fuck BC this game this shit isn't in the rules blahblahblah"

Mafia pay more attention to the rules and details than anybody. Anything is WIFOM if you read into it enough.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 01:20 GMT
#1242
Isn't Catwoman invincible? Makes total sense that Toads could be CW.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 04:46 GMT
#1264
Is the daypost coming up any time soon?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#1275
I was hit last night.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 05:44 GMT
#1277
Well, Kurumi has to claim now since he didn't die and with 4 hits already accounted for I doubt he even took a shot.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 06:58 GMT
#1288
On February 09 2012 15:51 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I investigated Dr. H last Night. Got guilty as expected.
I honestly dont know why they didn t kill me or RB me or why I am still alive now.
Will be posting more after 6 h or so.

Really? Why don't you tell me which role instead of which alignment.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 07:04 GMT
#1289
Unless rG is an insane cop or had some kind of massive brainfart, he is straight up lying. I think insane is more likely because I see no reason that a scum player would make a fake counter-claim. Considering the nature of two-face as a character in the mythos this is possible. Two-face uses a coin flip to decide whether or not he cleans people and has a good/evil duality present in his mind.

So if there are hidden mechanics in this game I can only assume that there is a chance two-faces check returns the wrong alignment. BC did confirm to me just now in PM that there is zero chance any DT check will return the wrong role so unless two-face is an alignment cop I can only assume he is lying or that BC is lying to me. I don't appreciate bastard mods so I really hope the latter isn't true.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 07:16 GMT
#1290
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?

BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas

So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 07:17 GMT
#1291
On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?

BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC please correct me.

So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane.


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