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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 00:16 GMT
#1227
On February 09 2012 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +
Wow you guys are really fucking new at this game if you think you're gonna lynch somebody because a mason exists. Jackal58 is zsasz, the vigilante mason. He invited players to a phone network. This is common in PM games. The OP EVEN STATES that some roles might be able to PM. It is not a totally open set-up, it is already proven that some power roles in this game have hidden powers that are not stated in the OP. I'd guess that all of them do.

- zsasz in the game, explains the "phone network" flavor


I'm guessing the people who got upset about it were town since it's likely mafia already knew about the QT and nobody blew up on me when I mentioned it several times.

Need to catch up heore, only one two-face can be real. It's probably rG I think.

As mafia, i would almost certainly pretend to have not known about the QT, since mafia 99% about the QT, openly complaining about it being hidden from you seems like a cheap way to buy town cred.

Nobody in town should be openly speculating about who they think the town blues are when the non-town players are deciding who to shoot.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 00:22 GMT
#1231
On February 09 2012 09:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
@doc: thanks for finally clearing that up. Should have been done long ago if you ask me, since mafia seems to already have this input.

@laya: not caring what other people think = being useless! This is a team game. Even more so. It is a voting game. You have to convice others that you are innocent and that your cases are true. Basically, this game is all about caring what other people think about you. Lying and deceiving your team is not good town play. The only thing it does is help your scum play in other games more legit.

going to sleep, it's about time. see you tomorrow. good luck shooting, vets.

Look at that thinking.

If Idra had a swordGUN. I would shoot you in the balls.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 00:30 GMT
#1232
On February 09 2012 09:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 09:16 layabout wrote:
On February 09 2012 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +
Wow you guys are really fucking new at this game if you think you're gonna lynch somebody because a mason exists. Jackal58 is zsasz, the vigilante mason. He invited players to a phone network. This is common in PM games. The OP EVEN STATES that some roles might be able to PM. It is not a totally open set-up, it is already proven that some power roles in this game have hidden powers that are not stated in the OP. I'd guess that all of them do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr9gAAMP1_Q - zsasz in the game, explains the "phone network" flavor


I'm guessing the people who got upset about it were town since it's likely mafia already knew about the QT and nobody blew up on me when I mentioned it several times.

Need to catch up heore, only one two-face can be real. It's probably rG I think.

As mafia, i would almost certainly pretend to have not known about the QT, since mafia 99% about the QT, openly complaining about it being hidden from you seems like a cheap way to buy town cred.

Nobody in town should be openly speculating about who they think the town blues are when the non-town players are deciding who to shoot.

Seems like you'd say "There's a mason qt? Why has no one mentioned this guys explain" instead of "wow you're scum or fuck BC this game this shit isn't in the rules blahblahblah"

Mafia pay more attention to the rules and details than anybody. Anything is WIFOM if you read into it enough.

Bolded: what i thought you were talking about
Underlined: what it seems you were talking about
Italicised: Please don't write stuff like that
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 16:10 GMT
#1638
On February 10 2012 01:06 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Why Doc is blue, can you explain please?

Why don't you read the mess of a thread that you have helped trash?

I think i will vote for sheth but i am going to re-read and complain collect my thoughts first.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 16:27 GMT
#1651
On February 10 2012 01:24 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I know Palmar's role, as everyone does now, but what Toad says is a mystery for now.
He says DocH, which would be Clayface, knows about his role PM.
Toad claimed vig, and that he shot Kenpachi.
Catwoman didn't shoot last night if Toad tells the truth.
Why?
2 mafia kills.I have been Medic'd and saved.
By Ockam's Razor this accounts for all the scum KP.
SO IF I DIDN'T SHOOT TOAD LAST NIGHT, WHY WOULD I BE CATWOMAN?

Don't you just hate it when somebody feels the need to cite occam's razor?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 16:43 GMT
#1662
On February 10 2012 01:34 Jayjay54 wrote:
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On February 10 2012 01:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:
we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow.

And why you want to lynch a blue?
You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit


If you look at my filter, you'll see that I made a case against doc. I also voted him. I have no motive to just randomly step up and say he's legit when I thought he was scum all game long. It makes me look bad. However, I do.

I won't say the word and toads role for obvious reasons. But it's legit which makes your check look wrong. That's why your a priority lynch target now. congratz.

But fear not. If your catfood anyway, you will die to her and not to us. Today, we lynch Sheth.

Is this ANOTHER claim?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 16:45 GMT
#1664
On February 10 2012 01:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Yea...Palm my bad....I'm up to where DocH claims clayface....and you claim Joker, and Radfield says he's not the Batman...

Batman, can you please kill the penguin....I payed respects at the site of your parents death...

can you cut this out or explain yourself?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 16:48 GMT
#1666
On February 10 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote:
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On February 10 2012 01:43 layabout wrote:
On February 10 2012 01:34 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 10 2012 01:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:
we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow.

And why you want to lynch a blue?
You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit


If you look at my filter, you'll see that I made a case against doc. I also voted him. I have no motive to just randomly step up and say he's legit when I thought he was scum all game long. It makes me look bad. However, I do.

I won't say the word and toads role for obvious reasons. But it's legit which makes your check look wrong. That's why your a priority lynch target now. congratz.

But fear not. If your catfood anyway, you will die to her and not to us. Today, we lynch Sheth.

Is this ANOTHER claim?


no. I just don't want to add additional information to Toad and Doc.

then why do write "But it's legit " when a VT should not be able to know if "it's legit"?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 17:05 GMT
#1683
On February 10 2012 01:54 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 01:48 layabout wrote:
On February 10 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 10 2012 01:43 layabout wrote:
On February 10 2012 01:34 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 10 2012 01:28 rgTheSchworz wrote:
we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow.

And why you want to lynch a blue?
You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit


If you look at my filter, you'll see that I made a case against doc. I also voted him. I have no motive to just randomly step up and say he's legit when I thought he was scum all game long. It makes me look bad. However, I do.

I won't say the word and toads role for obvious reasons. But it's legit which makes your check look wrong. That's why your a priority lynch target now. congratz.

But fear not. If your catfood anyway, you will die to her and not to us. Today, we lynch Sheth.

Is this ANOTHER claim?


no. I just don't want to add additional information to Toad and Doc.

then why do write "But it's legit " when a VT should not be able to know if "it's legit"?


you are the guy who fishes like all the time aren't you?

I am not saying I am VT, I am also not saying I am blue. I am not saying anything at all.

Those two honeys talked enough that I could find the codeword and deduct toads identity. For obvious reasons, I won't tell it. If you give it some thought, you can probably find it, too.

And no this is no crumbing that I am hugo :D


you are the guy who fishes like all the time aren't you?

back it up or shuttup

If you are town you should share information. If you have a role and claiming is bad don't do it but if you have found something that confirms town share it with other town!

If they are confirmed 100% in the thread because of so codewords or whatever crap them why don't you make yourself useful and post it?
scum can find it if it's there

Since their legitimacy is pretty relevant to any decisions we have to make about them + rg you shouldn't be telling others to "try to find it themselves" when you save them the effort by just posting it.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 17:16 GMT
#1689
On February 10 2012 02:13 Palmar wrote:
I'm all for someone shooting layabout tonight. In addition to obvious targets like Kitaman, Hiro, VisceraEyes etc.

I claim TWAT WITH PLAYER/ROLE LIST THAT DOESN'T WANT TO SHARE IT.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 17:50 GMT
#1700
Let us proceed with the most reasonable course of action
##vote liquid sheth
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 20:55 GMT
#1718
After sheth hangs who should we kill first (out of these two players):
Hiro Proagonist or Evantrees?

Hiro has been awfully quiet and has promised analysis but not delivered.
My activity has been low due to RL. Dont worry, these issues are being handled in a timely manner, and you will have regular activity from me ASAP. If I fail this, lynch or shoot me.

Turkeg needs to die because he is scum. Should he and I live though the night, I will write an analysis on him come morning

but he does not appear to be a moron.
I need to die because I dont want to be reading this bullshit anymore, and I don't have the time needed to devout to helping foster a better town atmosphere right now. I wanted to sit back and catch scum when I find them and not have to be here all the time to guide dumb townies -__-

People need to listen to layabout more.


Evan has promised nothing and delivered nothing except for unhelpful posts about the setup.

Proper voting format is

##vote name
BC do you care if there are : in there?

From active list of games it is apparently a "normal" game.
Ongoing Game List - Updated Feb 8
[T][I] Sleeper Cell 2 - 9/15 alive; due to end Feb 12 - Feb 18 (iGrok is host; Greymist is cohost)
[M][N] Normal Mini Mafia I - 8/12 alive; due to end Feb 11 - Feb 16 (GMarshal is host; redFF is cohost)
[N] BC's Arkham City - 30/31 alive; due to end Feb 18 - Feb 28 (BloodyC0bbler is host; Curu is cohost)

I though it was themed but apparently not. What is the difference exactly? Themed just get super crazy?

his lynch talk:
Bah good enough.
##Vote Cyber_Cheese

I have no problem voting for someone based on getting utter nonsense from them.
Lets hear something Schworz, until them.

##Vote rgTheSchworz

neither are town assets.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 22:06 GMT
#1729
On February 10 2012 07:03 evantrees wrote:
@layabout and Jayjay54 any questions while I try to organize my thoughs on this mess and read the phone QT.

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On February 10 2012 04:22 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Ok, so you re hired, meaning you can get hit instead of someone else?
Also , FYI , i m not insane, as in role pm insane.
Maybe I am RL insane, though.


What did your check return?

Which players do you think are hurting town the most?
Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda?
Which players do you think are scum?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 23:12 GMT
#1748
On February 10 2012 08:10 Kurumi wrote:
Also Viscera, WBG is voting me because I accussed him of being scum day 1 and actually was right, but Sheth made puppy eyes and I doubted my ability to play this game.
Fuck puppy eyes

that was your best move.
Do not go back on it.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 09 2012 23:20 GMT
#1750
On February 10 2012 08:14 Kurumi wrote:
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On February 10 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:
On February 10 2012 08:10 Kurumi wrote:
Also Viscera, WBG is voting me because I accussed him of being scum day 1 and actually was right, but Sheth made puppy eyes and I doubted my ability to play this game.
Fuck puppy eyes

that was your best move.
Do not go back on it.

Damn, You like being a dick don't You

would a dick post this?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 10 2012 15:28 GMT
#1824
On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:
a) I did not claim Two-Face. Stop Lying.

b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves.

Show nested quote +
If Sheth flips miller, which he might, as you said lol, then we get some info out of that as well. And that info is that the foundation on which you have built your narrative is shaky lol


I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum.

The entire "narrative" is:

Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth.
We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play.

The only thing I added to this is:

Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious.

But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth.

On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote:
I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that.

He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante)

So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim.

Does anybody think that this is acceptable?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 10 2012 16:59 GMT
#1889
On February 11 2012 01:40 kitaman27 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2012 01:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Fuck it, lynch me if you will, but either you re CW and trying to test me if I am Two-Face, or you play surprisingly bad as town.
CW is my humble opinion.
I think you thought I was extremely stupid to claim Two-Face, and you would put it beyond noobiness or whatever and FORGOT even to DT me in your efforts to appear town.
So now, I am not even sure if I die tonight.


You sure do like to talk about catwomen don't you :/

On February 10 2012 04:48 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So, the check should be real. However, you can just ignore it, Rad s check hasn t been scoffed at as was mine.


You've dodged the question 3-4 times now. DrH said that all dt's return role not alignment to dt checks. You gave us a alignment, but not a role. Could you please respond? You're not being very transparent right now.

BM, for someone who mentioned how he couldn't wait to roll town, you sure haven't done much scumhunting. You also mentioned that you rarely read the thread as scum. It takes more than a name claim to prove you are town.

@Palmar. I like a chaoser lynch too. He appeared to have something invested in the CC day one lynch, although we will have to probably wait to see if Sheth's flip makes that relevant.

Kurumi, day one you claimed vigilante, but the number of possible roles you could be is running pretty thin. I think we need to revisit your name claim in the near future.

Did I miss anyone who claimed a hit?
Jackal - Mafia kp
DrH- ??
Radfield- ??
schworz- ??
kenpachi - Harley Quinn
Slardar - Penguin


Kitaman, do you agree with the points that Palmar makes here:

On February 11 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Actually fuck it.

##Unvote Sheth
##Vote Chaoser


Bitch got greedy, now bitch gonna pay.

Let's consider all the possible scenarios involving Radfield, Chaoser and Sheth. I am ignoring the scenarios where Radfield is lying about the DT check, because Sheth will flip sooner or later, and if he flips neither Scum nor Miller, Radfield is fucked. That makes no sense no matter what Radfield's alignment is.

So, the possibilities are:

1. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is scum

Looking at the interactions here, I don't think this is the case. If it is it's surprisingly good scum play from both of them. Chaosers direct push to actually lynch Sheth while keeping open the possibility of Sheth flipping miller would be a ridiculously powerful play to absolve him of any "knowledge" about the flip. I have almost no reason to believe this is the case.

2. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is town

This is a possibility, but why on earth is Chaoser focusing so hard on creating later opportunities for lynches? Why would he write something like this:

Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol.


If he thinks Sheth will actually flip scum??? If sheth flips scum shouldn't the people campaigning for his death day 1 (me) and bringing in the DT check from day 2 (Radfield) be the last people you want to lynch? Most townies in this game feel good lynching Sheth because they believe Radfield's DT claim, because... well... it makes sense to believe it.

It's okay to consider the possibility, But if chaoser is town, he would have to take a stance. a) I think sheth is town, and thus I won't vote for him or b) I think sheth is scum and thus I will vote for him.

Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is town

Surprisingly, this is EXACTLY the same scenario as the one before. If chaoser is town he has no reason to distrust Radfield's DT claim, it's simply not logical to think Radfield is lying. Thus the ONLY reason one would ever not lynch Sheth is if you have a strong reason to believe he's town, and thus miller.

Chaoser hasn't produced any such reasons. He seems to be perfectly happy with lynching Sheth. this is a contradiction because if he had a strong reason to believe Sheth will flip miller, he'd also have a strong reason to try and turn his wagon around. But he's fine with Sheth dying, he just wants to make sure the wrong people get incriminated for it.

Incidentally, I now have a real strong reason to believe Sheth will flip town. Chaoser kindly provided me with it.

Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is Scum

This is what's going on.

Chaoser, as I've stated is perfectly fine with killing Sheth. But for some reason, he seems to be particularly interested what happens if he flips Miller.

Only in this situation does it make sense for chaoser to try to incriminate for example Radfield (not to mention myself, who has nothing to do with the situation, except telling people Radfield isn't scum).

Why would Radfield need to be lynched, but only if sheth flips miller? Chaoser says this straight up here:

On February 10 2012 23:00 chaoser wrote:
If Sheth doesn't flip mafia then the scenario you've been pushing as the real narrative all falls down.

Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol.


Please read this. Chaoser is literally putting the burden of telling apart millers and scum on Radfield's shoulders, and threatening a lynch if he fails. And somehow I'm in there too, probably because I gave the information Radfield is not scum (but 3rd party).

Because I can't stress this enough:

Sheth flipping scum or miller cannot have any impact on reads on Radfield (and me or other people pushing his lynch). We're lynching him based on a DT check we have a reason to believe. That DT check makes no difference between millers and scum, thus him flipping miller says nothing about the people who want him dead.

and yet Chaoser is perfectly fine with pushing that terrible logic.

This makes no sense if he's town. If he's town, he's just as responsible as me or Radfield or anyone else voting for sheth for killing sheth. If he thinks Sheth will flip scum, he should be supporting me and radfield. If he doesn't he should be opposing us. He's doing neither.

He's supporting killing sheth, while setting Radfield and I up for a lynch later in the game, based on sheth flipping miller.

This is not a difficult decision.





I think I've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Chaoser is scum. I will die tonight. Batman will shoot me. Please, please, please follow my lead and kill chaoser off instead of sheth.

This will be a hard lynch. The mafia will be actively fighting it. But we _need_ to get it right.

Don't allow fear to stop you. The lines will be drawn here. Don't be the sheep town that goes with the easy lynch. If every townie reads this, realizes I'm fucking right, and then makes a stand. It will be VERY easy to pick out the mafia.

Do the right thing.

Chaoser is scum

##Vote Chaoser


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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 10 2012 18:00 GMT
#1928
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser

I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 10 2012 18:12 GMT
#1933
On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:
On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser

I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are


Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...


what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list.
How is that a ninja vote.

you didn't announce your vote hence it's a "ninja vote"


also, not lynching sheth today would be fucking stupid
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 10 2012 18:28 GMT
#1945
On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote:
my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz:
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On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote:
that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know.
But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list.


How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p

Stop trying to discuss this.

Post something that is coherent and pro-town.
And put your vote back on sheth.
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