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On February 23 2012 14:35 Toadesstern wrote:ah crap  Wasn't really paying attention the last few days due to storm and myself being incredible pissed about this game. I just wanted to say sorry for my performance this game and for that bullshit cointossing-move... I never should have done that. Actually I pm'ed BC that as well afterwards and told him to do whatever he wants to do about it because imo I wasn't playing to win anymore at that point in time and was instead just pissed because I sucked so hard. It was just a cheap excuse to blame something else instead of myself and again I really don't care about me shooting opz and Kenpachi, I still think these shots were not that awful but shooting Chaoser was just straight up bullshit and I did it because I was angry and flipped a coin and not because I thought he was scummy. At least after his defence I no longer thought he was anywhere nearly as scummy as people like VE and hiro. I really wasn't trusting my reads anymore and should have not shot at all that night or should have just had the balls to shoot who I thought was scummy no matter what happened d1+d2. Well apparently BC thinks it was not as big of a deal as I think it was because he never answered that pm I send him and I am not banned or warned for that behavior. I guess I am at least obligated to tell you guys and again, sry for doing such a bullshit move n3.
Shoot me again next time.
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I know, I spent the whole game defending him =/
I spent the whole game defending him, he lied again and made himself look like scum trying to do what jaybrundage did, so I felt like a colossal tool.
It was all for naught anyway, with evantrees naming the two remining townies as his probable scums, we were never winning after that vig shot hit Hiro.
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That's what You get for touching that!
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GG guys! It’s been fun. General thoughts:
Scum is really hard to play, especially if you post a lot like I do…So hard not to slip…
A stance for adam and evantrees: I’d probably done the same. RG and hiro were both scummy as hell. I don’t get why you would “scumslip” (hiro) or lie all the time (rg). Was pretty much the same lie, JB did. It was not as simple to see that rg was “obviously town” as some of you claim. So, no need for fetal position adam, you didn't mess up, your teammates did 
Same applies for vigs (Toad <3). We were a complete buscompany this game making it hard to find any relations. If you look at who voted C_C in the beginning there were actually only a few scum votes on him. But yea, you should’ve shot sheth toad.
VE and me actually panicked and slipped a little, when palmar claimed against Rad. I made really bad posts that day. That was probably the best day to figure out the entire scum team, except Katina.
JB’s CC versus evantrees was actually a good idea imo. He just missed that the KP he had on him, was solomons passive. Without the KP claim, he probably could have forced an evantrees lynch while being doomed in the Riddler’s game…
The massclaim thing was really helpful for scum, giving exact directions on when to shoot whom. We never would have doublestacked Tunkeg and know about the BGs without the claims and couldn’t have done shit with so little KP. Town had a shitton of protected guys and vets, plus batman and kurumi, scum lost a lot of KP. We also would have probably lost, if rg didn’t destroy nuke’s cover. Once more antitown play by him.
Kurumi was supposed to be anti-town, but he ended up killing nobody (?) I expected a little more help there…Guess, we have to thank you for keeping rg alive :D
Kudos to kita, 3/8 of the original players in his game were scum (Bugs, Kati and JB). Good reads. Also, did you make up the BC riddle? Was real fun. What were the answers to the other Riddles?
Could we get Freeze and Banes Role message? Did they have backfire?
Finally, here’s the scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/DPkAktp6GaLd3 (including some fluff between VE and me )
Oh and thanks for hosting this awesome game BC
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The town ruled by day, one mislynch before last day, but us blues sucked so bad, none of us achieved our objectives. Vets didn't get hit until after claim (and I never got my revenge in), medic claimed early only to be picked off, DT only checked towns and vigs sealed the deal by just killing town.
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This game was so weird to follow.
On one hand, you have all these blues fake-claiming and lying.
On the other hand, you have a scum team where every single member bussed the hell out of every other one.
Now that Katina is revealed as scum, I think in her 2 first posts she bussed both Sheth and JayJay.
Then JayJay bussed jaybrunde very early (and VE too I think).
And that's only from those two, the other ones (Radfield on Sheth for instanced) heavily bussed too, it made everything so confusing to figure out who was scum.
Good job on that.
Also, lol at some people taking Palmar seriously after his 1000th claim.
However, I don't really blame you, considering other blues did the same thing >_>
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On February 23 2012 15:13 Adam4167 wrote:
My reads were shattered after Hiro flipped town. I just couldn't believe someone could do so little and actually flip town.
Then rG claimed a shot that didn't exist after lying a half dozen times throughout the game? What could I possibly do? How could I just ignore another lie that was blatantly against what was in the day post.
This just strengthens how much i loathe people that lie as town.
I see you are not often around at the endgame. It´s always like this, those alive at the end are the scummy lurkers, scum have allready killed all the active ones and the obvious towns.
You can´t complain about vigilante-hits if you don´t talk about it. Noone discussed scummy players during the night, and later on when I wanted tips on who to shoot during night 4, the only ones speaking about nightkills were VE and Palmar, and none of them cared about giving accurate reads. I know there were people with town-reads reads on the scummy lurkers, but they didn´t speak up, and I was definetly not going to draw attention to myself as a blue by asking about it with so many people needlessly claiming, so I had to go by my own reads.
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we played badly and yet we still won...
man this should go to show how much you never should lie as town.
Also screw you Kurumi :D My team went through with the planned bus instead of us pushing your lynch day 2 and then I completely forgot about the RB. I was too busy to even think about it :p but why would you shoot at scum -_-
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On February 23 2012 17:05 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 15:13 Adam4167 wrote:
My reads were shattered after Hiro flipped town. I just couldn't believe someone could do so little and actually flip town.
Then rG claimed a shot that didn't exist after lying a half dozen times throughout the game? What could I possibly do? How could I just ignore another lie that was blatantly against what was in the day post.
This just strengthens how much i loathe people that lie as town.
I see you are not often around at the endgame. It´s always like this, those alive at the end are the scummy lurkers, scum have allready killed all the active ones and the obvious towns. You can´t complain about vigilante-hits if you don´t talk about it. Noone discussed scummy players during the night, and later on when I wanted tips on who to shoot during night 4, the only ones speaking about nightkills were VE and Palmar, and none of them cared about giving accurate reads. I know there were people with town-reads reads on the scummy lurkers, but they didn´t speak up, and I was definetly not going to draw attention to myself as a blue by asking about it with so many people needlessly claiming, so I had to go by my own reads.
ofc you can complain about vigi hits.
The only person responsible for the hit is the vig himself. If you don't have good enough reads to shoot scum then don't complain about others complaining.
yes, some of the veterans (roles, not players) played horrifically, but at times they did things that should have tipped you guys off that they were town. All the mafia were actually very exposed and I don't think we did a very good job of hiding ourselves.
Kudos to JayJay on a great game, and Katina for somehow living the entire time. Also to kita for being an overall baller and nailing like four of us.
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tunkeg, you got your revenge hit, but JB was protected that night. Dunno how that worked exactly, but that's why he claimed the KP which got him lynched in the end.
bugs, thx, I appreciate it and you're right, we played badly, especially after Rad was exposed. We got a little traction back when some important townies died though...Kita shot me a query in IRC yesterday how I was scum here. His reads were great!
btw: was there an obs qt?
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that Kurumi chose to show up as Ra'as Al ghul on DT checks and scum checked him on n1
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On February 23 2012 17:28 syllogism wrote:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that Kurumi chose to show up as Ra'as Al ghul on DT checks and scum checked him on n1
oh yeah right, what was that about?
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On February 23 2012 17:16 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 17:05 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 15:13 Adam4167 wrote:
My reads were shattered after Hiro flipped town. I just couldn't believe someone could do so little and actually flip town.
Then rG claimed a shot that didn't exist after lying a half dozen times throughout the game? What could I possibly do? How could I just ignore another lie that was blatantly against what was in the day post.
This just strengthens how much i loathe people that lie as town.
I see you are not often around at the endgame. It´s always like this, those alive at the end are the scummy lurkers, scum have allready killed all the active ones and the obvious towns. You can´t complain about vigilante-hits if you don´t talk about it. Noone discussed scummy players during the night, and later on when I wanted tips on who to shoot during night 4, the only ones speaking about nightkills were VE and Palmar, and none of them cared about giving accurate reads. I know there were people with town-reads reads on the scummy lurkers, but they didn´t speak up, and I was definetly not going to draw attention to myself as a blue by asking about it with so many people needlessly claiming, so I had to go by my own reads. ofc you can complain about vigi hits. The only person responsible for the hit is the vig himself. If you don't have good enough reads to shoot scum then don't complain about others complaining. yes, some of the veterans (roles, not players) played horrifically, but at times they did things that should have tipped you guys off that they were town. All the mafia were actually very exposed and I don't think we did a very good job of hiding ourselves. Kudos to JayJay on a great game, and Katina for somehow living the entire time. Also to kita for being an overall baller and nailing like four of us.
Bah, I shot into scummy lurkers that noone cared about because there were no talking about who else to shoot. The only blues who were discussed were those who claimed. It was a game with a lot of vigilantes, I´d expect more direction to them, even if scum have a medic.
Katina played great in this game though, the only thing that made me suspicious at the end was how often scum talked about a lurker who never did anything.
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Yeah, I figured after jayb messed up His CC. But by hitting I meant making it count, the one shooting me ending up dead.
Also what a great position town would be in these last days with 2 blues claiming, had they actually played somewhat convincing up to the point of their claim. Then town would have won. But I also had rg for scum in the end there, so much that I would have pushed for forumite to shoot him to kill or confirm. Hiro I were 100% certain was scum. And with that endgame it was hard to win.
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On February 23 2012 17:30 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 17:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 23 2012 17:05 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 15:13 Adam4167 wrote:
My reads were shattered after Hiro flipped town. I just couldn't believe someone could do so little and actually flip town.
Then rG claimed a shot that didn't exist after lying a half dozen times throughout the game? What could I possibly do? How could I just ignore another lie that was blatantly against what was in the day post.
This just strengthens how much i loathe people that lie as town.
I see you are not often around at the endgame. It´s always like this, those alive at the end are the scummy lurkers, scum have allready killed all the active ones and the obvious towns. You can´t complain about vigilante-hits if you don´t talk about it. Noone discussed scummy players during the night, and later on when I wanted tips on who to shoot during night 4, the only ones speaking about nightkills were VE and Palmar, and none of them cared about giving accurate reads. I know there were people with town-reads reads on the scummy lurkers, but they didn´t speak up, and I was definetly not going to draw attention to myself as a blue by asking about it with so many people needlessly claiming, so I had to go by my own reads. ofc you can complain about vigi hits. The only person responsible for the hit is the vig himself. If you don't have good enough reads to shoot scum then don't complain about others complaining. yes, some of the veterans (roles, not players) played horrifically, but at times they did things that should have tipped you guys off that they were town. All the mafia were actually very exposed and I don't think we did a very good job of hiding ourselves. Kudos to JayJay on a great game, and Katina for somehow living the entire time. Also to kita for being an overall baller and nailing like four of us. Bah, I shot into scummy lurkers that noone cared about because there were no talking about who else to shoot. The only blues who were discussed were those who claimed. It was a game with a lot of vigilantes, I´d expect more direction to them, even if scum have a medic. Katina played great in this game though, the only thing that made me suspicious at the end was how often scum talked about a lurker who never did anything.
The thing that should have made Katina suspicious (I noticed but didn't realize the significance of it) was how early she called sheth out and what she was saying about him. This was her first game, she had never played with sheth and wasn't applying the same logic to anyone else.
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holy shit, I avoided nuke's DT checks by coin twice. Guess that was lucky :D
e: also BM lied about his medic choices...why? also, lucky for scum...
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Katina was lurky as hell, and only came in to tunnel me. Normally I would assume scum, but I chose to ridicule because I thought bad newbie scum. She were also on the right lynches through the game, but in retrospect her not providing reasons beins her votes should somewhat have tipped me off.
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Just don't lie without getting caught up on the thread at least... that late.
Oh boy was I horrible, was starting to come around to adam maybe being town but much too slowly wouldn't have wanted to lynch him that day but then who....
"you didn't mess up, your teammates did "
indeed I did
the part you are interested in
You will survive 1 hit from anyone with ease. If you live long enough after a first attack you will recuperate and be able to take another hit. It will take 2 days to heal however after an attack.
Wish jackal had shot me night 1 instead of going for the guts option...
Still have trouble trying to be useful early
I agree Jb's counter claim was a great idea, at the very least waste a lynch and only gets better from there. Mentioning the hit probably not.
I found it amusing my role name was in a riddle kita sent
I liked Zsasz ability., riddlers didn't seem so good for killing scum however. But death sentences can be amusing I suppose.
town started with more kp than scum which was interesting,
which adds another reason for the mass bussing, not that you guys knew that.
and for fun
On February 11 2012 21:04 Kurumi wrote:
Don't You see that? We're bunch of lunatics, maniacs trying to beat sane gaurds..
Calling them sane is pushing it, read who our guards are again.
something I never got around to posting too lazy to turn on the laptop to get the exact words now.
On February 21 2012 20:33 Adam4167 wrote:
Nothing I say will be able to convince you that I am not scum after the last 48 hours.
I was too gullible, assumed rG was town and that Hiro would flip scum.
My thought process was that the last scum was hiding among either yourself or Katina, and that 'tomorrow' (this day) would involve random votes flinging everywhere and result in a mislynch.
I have been a complete fool this game. All I can offer you right now is that rG is undoubtedly scum, since he claimed a hit.
I truly do apologize to the entire town for this one.
indeed and this was posted about that long ago...
On February 19 2012 21:11 evantrees wrote:For those complaining about my filter is it any worse or better than my previous two games, I am curious. This is my third game. First game Election Mafia as an Announcerhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429second game TL Mafia L as a VThttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=78429Adam is coming across a bit scummy to me. But in general I am too damned unsure on the 3 scum in the 7. But for now lets say my list is. rgtheschworz
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Adam4167Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 18:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Do you think BM was trolling when he announced he took a hit on N1? Did we ever solve that?
This feels too much like scum asking if there is another medic out there to me. Out of curiousity Adam4167 why do you think this late you will be shot by scum over -_-quails the confirmed townie? Reading radfields filter I was getting a little less suspicious of rayzorflash then this pops up. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:16 Radfield wrote:On February 14 2012 06:00 Tunkeg wrote:On February 14 2012 05:59 Tunkeg wrote:
Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch.
Does this mean that:
a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi?
b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would jumped all over this if they were Radfield were town and they were scum. EBWOP: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would have jumped all over this if they were scum and Radfield were town. Smart scum are smart. Lynching me is dumb. End of story. On February 14 2012 06:03 kitaman27 wrote:On February 14 2012 05:58 Radfield wrote:Actually, this is why I thought that: Kitaman Wrote: The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny.
The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol
He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol
His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol
He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol
He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol
Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well. What happened Kita, got cold feet? From what I can see there you should be dead set on lynching me, yet now you are pushing to keep me alive. Care to explain? I just don't buy that your Calendar Man (I'm still not sure that he is even a real batman villian :p). Just because I think you're likely black, doesn't mean we can't coexist as long as you're benefiting town as well. I'm looking for red What do you think about my case on Rayzor? I think it's pretty sound, and I think there is a decent chance ico/Rayzor will flip scum. When Ico voted for CC, Sheth was actually leading 5-4, which ties him directly to Sheth. Ico/Rayzor is number six on the list of 5 that I mentioned earlier: Chaoser, Tyran, opz, WBG, evantrees. I left him off because he voted quite a bit earlier in the day, but in retrospect I shouldn't have. I'm doing dinner and then going curling. I expect to no longer be leading the lynch when I get back.
which is a point in his favour for being town isn't it. Wouldn't mind an answer to the filter question though.
Also hurray for only one modkill.
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If we'd followed my plan, this would have been ez mode.
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