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On February 20 2012 21:28 Adam4167 wrote:
I honestly have no idea why he claimed, it really made no damn sense.
I think it was partly to protect Hiro, partly he thought he might have more credibility than evantrees and we might side with him.
So JB saw that Evantrees was about to be lynched, but everyone switched to Hiro. In order to save Hiro and lynch Evantrees, who allready looked scummy to Town, he counterclaimed, and also claimed having been hit just for giggles. Unfortunately he wasn´t a more trusted Townie than Evantrees, it´s just that we´d forgotten about him until then. I guess this scenario makes sense.
I´m still unsure about rg. He slipped when he said that Freeze protects Two-Face, probably because he thought all veterans protect people. He claimed being hit before Kurumi called him out. I wonder what he thought then, he´s a veteran who just got shot, and his ability had become useless. Why not just claim veteran instead of Medic? In that situation it´s like he was a vanilla townie who claimed Blue to draw bullets.
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I think claiming the hit was actually true, there would have been a reflect hit off of tunkegs passive. VE probably protted him last night by chance.
I don't think rG ever claimed freeze protected Two-Face, did he? I thought Risk.nuke was making that claim to protect himself. Ill go reread it now, but that's how I remembered it.
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He never claimed medic either, that was risk.nuke trying to get him shot and save you in the process.
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Some relevant posts in the risk-rg-Two-Face/Freeze debate. While rg correctly claimed that he isn´t a bodyguard, he did this very late, and everything he posted before was overly aggressive and mostly just confusing to Town. He did this despite several people asking him to calm down and make sense.
+ Show Spoiler +Risk claims, including some WIFOM to protect me from Catwoman. On February 16 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 22:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Great. So:
VisceraEyes
Tyrran
Risk.nuke
Rayzor
And I think I know why Penguins night kills haven't been showing up either. Okey. I was thinking I'd let some discussion run on this scumlist, so I'll drop this in a while. Okey, It's been a while, discussion donned of and we don't have all the time in the world. You people ready? Here goes. The thing is Forumite isn't Two-Face. I know this for two reasons. One: I am Two-Face. And two: I checked Forumite last night and he is Mr. Freeze, my guard and protector. I choose to be a detective and have checked. Kitman night 1.
- Qualis night 2.
- Forumite night 3.
rg claims and screams bloody murder. He claims he´s breadcrumbed, I checked his filter and didn´t see anything. On February 17 2012 00:04 rgTheSchworz wrote:
GUYS. LYNCH FORUMITE, I AM MR FREEZE.
I CRUMBED VECTOR-
AKA VICTOR
VICTOR FRIES-MR FREEZE Called out, risk keeps his calm and admits that he told a lie about my role. On February 17 2012 00:05 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 23:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Hmm, also:
Hugo can disguise himself as anyone, which only batman can see through.
Forumite may not be Freeze at all. I know for a fact that Forumite is blue and not hugo. I don't think I am allowed to reveal why but anyway just trust me. And even if he were there would be better things to do then specculating on this. We don't lynch regular town-checks in search for the godfather unless we have very good reason to and we don't. Anyway, can we lynch catwoman? Veteran breadcrumbing? I guess he means those two times he mentioned not wanting to claim his role, because breadcrumbing that you are a veteran is stupid. On February 17 2012 00:10 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Look at my filter and tell me my play doesnt make sense as Mr.Freeze.
I have crumbed 2 times
I wanted to get shot SO BAD!!!! Out for blood. On February 17 2012 00:12 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Simple thing to win this game:
Lynch Forumite.
If Hugo, things are dandy.
If simple scum, lynch nuke.
If he Mr Freeze, LYNCH ME!! Plan to get me lynched because what´s wrong with risks check must be me. The alternative lynch is Kurumi, so if risk is confirmed Two-Face, then we just gave him to CW. On February 17 2012 00:15 rgTheSchworz wrote:
A Million And 1 reasons to lynch Forumite:
1. If hes Hugo, then our DT is confirmed, 3 scum left, they have 2kp.
Also, medics know who to protect.We win 90% here.
2.If hes not Hugo, then lynch our ˝DT´´ and Quails.
2 scum left.
3. If he´s Mr Freeze, which he can t be, then lynch me.
If anyone here really believes I am lying when I can seal the deal for town, then they re mad or scum. It takes a while before rg answer this question. On February 17 2012 00:17 Tyrran wrote:
@rG : Are you two-face's bodyguard ? More lynch me because I must be Hugo. On February 17 2012 00:19 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No reason to let Batman still in this game.
Lynch Forumite, then Batman dissapears.
Then we know the scum, because DT will confirm 2 ppl, Bat will be another one. Risk asking rg to calm down and make sense. On February 17 2012 00:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Ney, Batman needs to shoot hiro or whatever other scum he wants to kill tonight, I trust palmars judgement. If you want me to live tomorrow you lynch catwoman today.
Rg I don't get why you try this hard, It's smart play but scum will never buy it sorry, you're just cluttering up the thread. You're ivy and it's easy to figure out. I hate spam. rg answer by calling for a lynch of risk. Finally claims not being a bodyguard. On February 17 2012 00:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Better,LYNCH RISK NUKE.
I am no one s bodyguard.
He claimed freeze was his own. And finally his goal revealed, getting two blues lynched. On February 17 2012 00:31 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Two-face will prolly not claim because of this.
I suggest strongly he claims.
We lynch nuke and forumite.
His actions scream Scum. The only thing agaisnt this is that he correctly claimed not being a bodyguard, but this is an easy claim for scum to make anyway if they´ve read the lore any.
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I actually caught his breadcrumbs as they came up in the thread.
On February 10 2012 01:01 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I seriously don't get it.
I posted in a hurry because it's f...ing FREEZIN in my country atm and i had to go to school.
20 pg+ since I went afk.
Please explain Toad why i'm not Two-Face.
On February 11 2012 18:58 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Voting for me is a waste at this point in time JayJay.
Even if you think i m scum because I lied,then you should shoot Palmar because he lied too.
Can t say that I agree with chaoser defending me.
Trusting what you think on first impulse is bad.
On the other hand, how can you explain my actions, in a way that I end up scum?
Reasonably, I should ve been scumcoached by now.would they allow me to endanger their team?
Why he wrote VECTOR instead of VICTOR (as in Victor Fries, the characters real name) is beyond me, either way, I knew what he was getting at =/. He even told me to shut up because I was hinting I knew what his alignment was: Link
This is his second game, I can understand a lot of his seemingly 'crazy' actions when put in that perspective.
What made me suspicious of JB's claim is how he reacted. I was expecting him to react much more like rG, screaming like a banshee that the other person was undeniably scum, and they needed to die.
I wish he would get in here and defend himself, I'm disappointed that I'm having to do this for him.
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I think he should get in here too. We can still win this, but only if we stay active.
I´m still not sure about Evantrees. I could easily confirm him, but I think tomorrow is probably best spent discussing who the last scum is, rather than lynching Hiro.
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On February 20 2012 20:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 20:20 Adam4167 wrote:
But do you understand what I'm saying? You seem pretty undecided on who the last scum is, as is everyone else. I think Forumite is the most experienced and has played the best out of all of us, thus I would prefer he takes the hard decision and leaves town with the easy one. I´d prefer if you didn´t rely so heavily on me. I was in the Team Fortress game where there were 5 Town and one Scum in the end, and I lead town through 2 mislynches and lost us the game. Things like that doesn´t make me very confident being Town leader. Also I´m dead tomorrow, barring Medic assistance, so this is probably my last night in the game. Right now I´m choosing between killing Hiro or shooting Evantrees to confirm him as Town. I´m suspecting that Jaybrundage tried to get one of him and Evantrees confirmed Town, in response to everyone wanting to lynch Evantrees despite his Veteran-claim. The thing is, I´m probably wasting a kill, but if it was a trick, which I think it was, then this shot is the only way that we´re going to know without killing him. I think I´d rather confirm Evantrees and make sure that it wasn´t a crazy setup, and leave you to lynch Hiro tomorrow. There have been 3 vigilantes, one detective and one medic, I doubt this game would include all 4 veterans. Evantrees, did you breadcrumb your role anywhere? Is there any reason why we shouldn´t shoot you to confirm you as Town for everyone?
There have been 3 vigilantes, one detective and one medic, I doubt this game would include all 4 veterans.
Part of why I think rgtheschworz is scum.
Is there any reason why we shouldn´t shoot you to confirm you as Town for everyone?
It's not shooting scum.
You could shoot rgtheschworz to do something similar but I think he would actually flip scum.
Evantrees, did you breadcrumb your role anywhere?
No unless you want to count this, saw very little reason outing a vet would help town at that point.
On February 14 2012 08:47 evantrees wrote:I will claim if I have to, but I would rather not give scum that information unless absolutely necessary.I would rather try to force mafia/third parties to resolve the radfield/palmer nonsense. while we try to get rid of deadshot/hugo. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 07:10 Kurumi wrote:On February 14 2012 07:01 Jayjay54 wrote:well I have caught up again and honestly don't know what to make out of this situation. I don't feel comfortable lynching a DT who gave us a scum d2 right now, although the lurker fraction around hiro and chaoser made the choice a little harder. Right now, I'd keep Rad alive and hope that he gives another read the next dawn or at least draws a RB: I also reconsidered my Kurumi / Palmar third read and have revisited the though of both Palmar and Rad being third. Toad this is probably your last day  But I guess that's kinda in the calculation right now. Who to lynch now? I don't know how much weight I put into the whole "he voted sheth d1, he's not scum" argumentation. Both of my strongest scum reads nuke and hiro voted him. The other read I had, is chaoser (since rg fakeclaimed once more) voted CC. I'll vote hiro. One of my biggest scumreads due his play being 100% different from his blue play in L. He stepped up out of the lurker cave and pushed against Palmar. Maybe this lynch can provide information on Rad and also hopefully hit a scum. ##vote Hiro ProtagonistSorry I seem confused, but that's how this day has made me feel. I guess scum succeeded in spreading confusion. At least with me. I'll be on for another hour before I go to sleep and hopefully wake up to see a on spot lynch... Hiro is fine How did a vet die from one shot ? This bugged me as well I keep forgetting to ask this, for instance when I was complaining about nonsense from sorry RayzorFlash. Could batman/catwoman have killed Ra's al ghul with one shot despite it taking two shots to kill Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze.
Maybe a touch too focused on vets here.
On February 12 2012 15:24 evantrees wrote:Two dead vets strange night. Ok now I think he might be scum, will have to check the filters though. Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 15:07 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 12 2012 14:57 rgTheSchworz wrote:
DrH was doublestacked. He s freaking clayface he needs 2 shots.
Who vigged WBG?
CW/BM didn t shoot WBG.
Look at what he posts. He sticks to Kurumi and Rad/Me.He defo wanst Joker or any kind of vig/DT. More scum than anythig else. Kurumi s town btw, there s no way these 2 are scum together.
Maybe Rad killed him, I would assume that only if Rad does not post his check or posts that he checked a completely random townie.
WBG, as Ra's, needed either 2 shots or 1 unblockable shot, as such it seems most likely that it was a Batman/Catwoman hit, because I don't think two vigs would have both gone after him... Um what? Looks like he started as a plain VET+DT to me, If he took a hit already and was being protected that would be the case. Was he already hit scummy bugger?
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lol, wow. god I wish I was scum, because Im gonna look so dumb when I flip town. oh well.
This game is locked down for town. best course of action is for Forumite to shoot me tonight so you guys can figure out the last scum. I think its Katina at this point.
This is different than me randomly asking to be hit earlier in the game, I do think the best course of action is to shoot me tonight.
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I agree me and rgtheschworz are not confirmed townies at this point. Sadly in my case.
Not confirmed by a dead dt or a bullet.
On February 20 2012 20:11 Jayjay54 wrote:
that's actually a tough question. And depends a lot on the stuff happening tonight.
If rayzor is still alive, I will start by looking into him. Because he'd be the most scummy alive. If not, we have a good chance to already win the game right now.
I disagreed with an evantrees lynch pretty long, but there flips happened, the more he rose. Now the claim. Still not sure what I think about that. Somehow I am suspicious.
katina flies under the radar all game long. Still most of her decisions were town favored. Seems towny. But then again, the scum team was a huge bus company this game...
Another thought I have is that deadpool is still out there. I expect hiro to flip deadpool. If that's not the case, because I don't believe the important vig role went to some random lurker. You might actually be a good candidate for that...Would you consider evantrees an experienced player?
If hiro flips scum which I am doubting at the moment. I don't see him flipping deadshot after this post.
On February 17 2012 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
You should not be shooting me tonight. You should be shooting hiro protagonist or JayBrundage tonight.
saving the godfather by sacrificing two scum maybe, a kp as well I really don't see it. It's a good part of why they want to keep the godfather around.
JayBrundage also had that riddler death sentence on his head as a reason for scum to be bussing him a bit.
Don't know about anyone else but I don't consider myself an experienced player.
I though you might have been a vet in L but that was your first game wasn't it?
This is my third game.
First game Election Mafia as an Announcer
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429
second game TL Mafia L as a VT
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=78429
before joining Election I had read through mini mafia x and the first PYP.
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On February 21 2012 01:35 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 20:49 Forumite wrote:On February 20 2012 20:20 Adam4167 wrote:
But do you understand what I'm saying? You seem pretty undecided on who the last scum is, as is everyone else. I think Forumite is the most experienced and has played the best out of all of us, thus I would prefer he takes the hard decision and leaves town with the easy one. I´d prefer if you didn´t rely so heavily on me. I was in the Team Fortress game where there were 5 Town and one Scum in the end, and I lead town through 2 mislynches and lost us the game. Things like that doesn´t make me very confident being Town leader. Also I´m dead tomorrow, barring Medic assistance, so this is probably my last night in the game. Right now I´m choosing between killing Hiro or shooting Evantrees to confirm him as Town. I´m suspecting that Jaybrundage tried to get one of him and Evantrees confirmed Town, in response to everyone wanting to lynch Evantrees despite his Veteran-claim. The thing is, I´m probably wasting a kill, but if it was a trick, which I think it was, then this shot is the only way that we´re going to know without killing him. I think I´d rather confirm Evantrees and make sure that it wasn´t a crazy setup, and leave you to lynch Hiro tomorrow. There have been 3 vigilantes, one detective and one medic, I doubt this game would include all 4 veterans. Evantrees, did you breadcrumb your role anywhere? Is there any reason why we shouldn´t shoot you to confirm you as Town for everyone? There have been 3 vigilantes, one detective and one medic, I doubt this game would include all 4 veterans. Part of why I think rgtheschworz is scum. Is there any reason why we shouldn´t shoot you to confirm you as Town for everyone?It's not shooting scum. You could shoot rgtheschworz to do something similar but I think he would actually flip scum.
Really? Your defence in this situation is that rg did it too, and that I should shoot him first? Rg did a breadcrumb, claimed earlier, act like a Newbie Town Veteran, and allready took a shot much earlier, and your suggestion on spending my nightkill is not to confirm you as Town without killing you, but to kill that other veteran who allready took a bullet, and therefore won´t survive another one. Your defence look like that of a guilty scum, caught and cornered, hoping to quickly shift blame and get out of it alive. The good thing is that I can easily make sure if you are telling the truth or not.
I still think I´ll shoot Evantrees, and leave you to lynch Hiro tomorrow. That should wrap it up.
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No I think rgTheSchworz is scum which is why I brought him up.
Also this, he supposedly can still take an extra hit.
On February 17 2012 00:24 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No, I still have my second Life.
If he wastes it by shooting, it both leaves Hugo and Deadshot live a night longer, Extra KP for scum, and it wastes my life for nothing.
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On February 21 2012 03:16 evantrees wrote:No I think rgTheSchworz is scum which is why I brought him up. Also this, he supposedly can still take an extra hit. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 00:24 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No, I still have my second Life.
If he wastes it by shooting, it both leaves Hugo and Deadshot live a night longer, Extra KP for scum, and it wastes my life for nothing.
Hunh, interesting.
rg, why do you have an extra life still? Didn´t you get shot way back?
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Defense not really I'm fine with you shotting me but shooting scum is probably a better option, if we have a good target.
sorry not the best quote to have given you it seems.
On February 17 2012 01:14 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I was medic protected. I still have my second life.
first mention of medic protection
On February 09 2012 15:53 rgTheSchworz wrote:
And I was protected by a generous medic.
On February 09 2012 15:53 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Because I took a hit
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hmm there is another possibility.
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On February 21 2012 04:38 evantrees wrote:
hmm there is another possibility.
go on
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evantrees, what´s your opinion on Katina and Jayjay?
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Forumite, are you here?
How do you want to confirm me?
I breadcrumbed 2 times, called for nuke s lynch because he was f...ing lying and not helping town.
I seriously thought another 2 face would come of.
If I was In a scum team, Wouldnt I tell one of my team to claim 2 face?
Town, think. I have been honest with you since day 2 on.
Perhaps too honest.
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I still have my second life.
Are we LYLO next day?
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On February 21 2012 06:14 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Forumite, are you here?
How do you want to confirm me?
I breadcrumbed 2 times, called for nuke s lynch because he was f...ing lying and not helping town.
I seriously thought another 2 face would come of.
If I was In a scum team, Wouldnt I tell one of my team to claim 2 face?
Town, think. I have been honest with you since day 2 on.
Perhaps too honest.
That´s nonsense, risk was two-face, and claiming to get him lynched is nothing scum would do, because the real Two-Face is not a problem once revealed, since Catwoman will just kill him. Actually, that was what went wrong, risk was revealed but we lynched Catwoman to save him and me, against your protests.
You breadcrumbed late, after 4 days. Why didn´t you breadcrumb early and get it over with? Late crumbs suggest that you had to think about it, or talk to your scumteam.
There are so many things I think is scummy with your play. I wish we had a DT alive still.
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