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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 10:16 GMT
#2070
Regardless of this, Palmar is not two-face or the joker. Whether you're lying about your powers regarding Radfield or not I don't know because you lied about the mason powers and you lied about being in the phone network and you lied about lying, maybe you're just some Chezinu-level VT. Since I have absolutely zero reason to believe anything you say and no one else does either, it's best you just make a good case instead of spouting off stupid lies about your role.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 10:27 GMT
#2076
He voted for CC, then sheth for a brief period, then voted for Qualis.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 10:27 GMT
#2077
You still can't explain why Kurumi is town or why Catwoman didn't hit. You said you could explain that totally, why don't you do that?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 10:34 GMT
#2080
I claim hit
rG claims hit
BM claims hit
Rad claims hit (claimed by Palmar)
Kenpachi killed (claimed by toad)
Jackal hit (killed)
Slardar hit (killed)

rG claims Catwoman did not hit. IF Rad is Batman he used his DT power.

3 mafia KP
1 CW KP
1 BM KP

If, as you say, CW nor BM hit that means either 4 vig's shot last night or some people are lying.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 10:38 GMT
#2083
You're a proven liar in this game, so why isn't it you?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 10:43 GMT
#2090
On February 11 2012 19:40 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 19:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I claim hit
rG claims hit
BM claims hit
Rad claims hit (claimed by Palmar)
Kenpachi killed (claimed by toad)
Jackal hit (killed)
Slardar hit (killed)

rG claims Catwoman did not hit. IF Rad is Batman he used his DT power.

3 mafia KP
1 CW KP
1 BM KP

If, as you say, CW nor BM hit that means either 4 vig's shot last night or some people are lying.



This is why I asked Kurumi if he shot last night. He was the only one who really took interest in Slardar and I just cant justify that as a mafia hit... it just makes no sense on N1.



Makes sense. Shoot noobs so that our veteran scum doesn't get singled out for surviving.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:08 GMT
#2094
He's lying, don't even bother responding to him. He lied about being two-face, about masons,a bout being joker, why would he tell the truth about this?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:24 GMT
#2102
On February 11 2012 20:23 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 20:07 Forumite wrote:
On February 11 2012 19:42 Palmar wrote:
On February 11 2012 19:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
On February 11 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote:
I got hit last night.


Look, are you trying to troll us all this game?
If you re not dead tonight I suppose you re somewhere on my lynch list.


I'm not trolling I'm not lying.

I got hit last night.

If you were hit last night, why are you not dead?


Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker.

This is not true.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:26 GMT
#2104
It's close but it isn't exact.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:28 GMT
#2106
It's not a counterclaim. I don't get hit when the Joker gets hit.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:32 GMT
#2112
Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker.

If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:35 GMT
#2113
On February 11 2012 20:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Dr, answer me this:
Does Palmar Die this night?


Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim.

To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:43 GMT
#2118
No, I don't believe OpZ claimed Penguin. Did someone claim Penguin? If that happened I didn't read it. OpZ has been worthless in this game but he's probably got a similar role to me. I'm not good at picking up on other players breadcrumbs.

I can't die to Batman naturally. I can die to scum/vig which is why I need the medic.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:44 GMT
#2119
On February 11 2012 20:42 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 20:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 11 2012 20:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Dr, answer me this:
Does Palmar Die this night?


Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim.

To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead.


you can't die to third party? wow, that's handy.

Seems to me like this game was designed for Joker and possibly Two-face/Penguin to survive for a while. Batman/CW are really powerful so it's only natural there would be checks like this against them. I could have claimed Joker to draw a Batman bullet but I'd just get sniped by mafia within 2 nights, he'd realize he can't kill me and start DTing, and the real Joker might CC and then end up with me getting lynched. that would force me to claim my real role and undo the original plan. That's why I toyed around with claiming/acting as the joker in the phone network day 1
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:48 GMT
#2125
On February 11 2012 20:46 Palmar wrote:
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On February 11 2012 20:40 Toadesstern wrote:
at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman.
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios.
Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar.

I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now.
Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle.

Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue.
Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row.
I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases.

Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that.


You're scum. I'm shooting you tonight.


Toades is the Joker, don't be stupid.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:49 GMT
#2128
We're both invincible as long as scum or town doesn't kill me so don't worry. At least Palmar's excessive lying is exposed. If medics drop the ball and I die tonight at least I demonstrated Palmar can never ever be trusted in this game.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:53 GMT
#2132
He could be lying about the shot. Radfield actually didn't specify if it was by medic or not.

They could both be third party.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:57 GMT
#2135
Batman can't claim.

But I'm invulnerable to third party, Joker is immune to everything. The idea is that I shapeshift into Joker. If Batman hits me he will realize I'm not the real joker and his hit won't go through. I don't think Batman is informed of this, there might be more roles that have temporary or permanent protections against third party as well.

As long as I am alive, Joker cannot die to ANYTHING sans lynch. He is invincible. However, if the real Joker is killed I no longer shapeshift and thus can not survive a Batman hit unless I still have my second night life. I hope that makes sense. I also return "Joker" to all DT checks as long as I'm shape shifted. Things are really tricky for Batman in this game, I'm not sure I love the balance.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 11:59 GMT
#2140
On February 11 2012 20:55 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 20:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He could be lying about the shot. Radfield actually didn't specify if it was by medic or not.

They could both be third party.


no. If I was batman, there is no way I'd claim DT and risk being RBed all fucking game long. Batman isn't fun if he is RBed


If Palmar is batman and shot Radfield he's dead unless he's a vet meaning he isn't a DT. Unless I'm wrong and those roles (solomon grundy, etc...) survive in either form (vet/dt vet/vig, etc.) I'm not even sure there is a role that gets a choice between vet/dt.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 11 2012 12:00 GMT
#2141
On February 11 2012 20:59 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 20:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Batman can't claim.

But I'm invulnerable to third party, Joker is immune to everything. The idea is that I shapeshift into Joker. If Batman hits me he will realize I'm not the real joker and his hit won't go through. I don't think Batman is informed of this, there might be more roles that have temporary or permanent protections against third party as well.

As long as I am alive, Joker cannot die to ANYTHING sans lynch. He is invincible. However, if the real Joker is killed I no longer shapeshift and thus can not survive a Batman hit unless I still have my second night life. I hope that makes sense. I also return "Joker" to all DT checks as long as I'm shape shifted. Things are really tricky for Batman in this game, I'm not sure I love the balance.


LOL I did not know that about the DT. That's another important piece of the puzzle. Schworz why are you accusing joker to be mafia?


Yeah, that's why I was hesitant to claim at first. Claim Clayface, mafia DT checks me says I'm the Joker and must be Hugo, etc. I figured I'd just deal with it if that happened.
RIP Aaliyah
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