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I wonder if one mafia would have the cheek to volunteer another mafia for a 'random' lynch in his first post... wouldn't be what id do, but doesn't make it impossible.
That said, where are you Zelblade? What are your reads like? Who should we hang today?
I find it concerning that people disappear from the thread as soon as the heat on them lessens. (aimed largely at Zelblade and SacredSystem).
Chocolate, you asked why I put you in a 'probable mafia' list, I tell you its for lurking and your response is... to not post anymore? Are you mocking me or what.. give us some leads.
Ill go take a good hard look at Simberto's filter. I found his inactivity on day 2 suspicious, time to check if there's anything to it.
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On February 01 2012 06:08 Simberto wrote:
Now, this might also sound like picking an easy target given my situation, but of those, I think that Chocolate is almost definitively scum. He did not contribute anything, at all. This can easily checked by reading his filter, which has about the same proportions as that of balt11t now. I won't bother to quote these posts. There are simply almost no posts, and he only posts when he is absolutely forced to. Also, his posts do not contain anything at all. Note that even Adam who started one day and was not active for a long time, too, has more posts then Chocolate, and easily far more content.
Adam is a bit strange due to lack of information, but certainly not someone one should lynch today.
Hang on, whaaaat.
I have 'far more content' then chocolate, but I'm still considered strange due to a lack of information? Isn't that contradicting yourself in the same post?
I think you better take a hard-line opinion on me, or risk being labelled as wishy-washy or vague on top of the mounting case against you.
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Posting lists is scummy prob, you should know that 
Seriously though, I feel like of those 5 names I am mentioning, the last 2 scum are in there.
Chocolate looks bad. He spends all of day 1 soft defending zarepath, jumps on the zarepath vote quite late on day 2 (hes vote number 7 with 5 required to lynch), hes nigh on inactive and when he shows up he doesn't push any cases or reads.
Zelblade is an interesting case. I know people hate it when this gets said, but flipping him would provide a wealth of info. He was also fairly late on the Zarepath vote on day 2, after trying to push my case on SacredSystem. Jury is still out here, Id probably keep him alive another day while we lynch someone else and gather more information.
SacredSystem I eased up on a while ago. Hes another one who can stay around while we hang someone else.
Bromancipate: All I really said for you was that your post-count was lacking, but you're busy, so I get that. That and jitsu never followed up on something he said. He did however cast suspicion onto balt11t at the end of night 1 when not many people were really focused on him, so ill look elsewhere for mafia for now.
Simberto I've never called scum. I just said his postcount dropping off compared to day 1 was odd. Ill put some thoughts together on him soon.
At this point, I'm interested in a Chocolate lynch, and ill make my mind up on Simberto sometime in the next few hours after i finish reading.
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Says it right there at the bottom.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 02:11 dreamflower wrote:
Voting Count Update
SacredSystem - 2
Adam4167
zelblade
zarepath
zelblade - 1
Simberto
zarepath - 6
DoYouHas
CosmosXAM
slOosh
SacredSystem
MidnightGladius
zelblade
Non-Voters - 3
Bromancipate
Chocolate
balt11t
Voting ends at 03:00 GMT (+00:00) today.
Currently, the number of votes needed to lynch is: 5 out of 9.
And since you asked:
On January 26 2012 04:53 Chocolate wrote:
Still looking at zellblade & zarepath but we've seen them post and zare is pretty active, zellblade may just be making nooby mistakes but he has still posted oddly.
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On January 27 2012 11:07 Chocolate wrote:
Zare has a moderately strong case against him but I think lynching an active player who seems a little suspicious is worse than lynching one who is more suspicious and posts less
Good to know you're still reading the thread though.
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Well, it is soft defense. You state that he might be scum but then rationalize it away by saying other people look worse.
And yes, those posts did come from day 1, mainly because you've contributed very little so i have very little to work with.
This post here is the only real substantial thing you've given us since day 1, and it came in as I was typing my post so I haven't read it until just now.
I appreciate that its something, but your one mafia suspect is Simberto, who is already under heavy suspicion and you don't really offer anything new as to why hes scum, just that 'other people have pointed out his inconsistencies'. Comb through his filter, find something new, alleviate my suspicion that you are not interested in helping this town move forward.
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After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something.
Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise.
Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode.
I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him.
##Vote Chocolate
One thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of Them
So I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/792ta.jpg)
Right. I'm resorting to paint here (oh gawd) to try and get a clearer picture of what everyone is saying.
After taking in everyone's reads, I find these are the two most likely scum teams: Chocoloate/Zelblade or Simberto/SacredSystem
As we begin to flip more of these names, this picture will solve itself. I am content with flipping anyone in the above diagram, with a special preference for Chocolate for the previously mentioned reasons.
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Yeah, I insinuated in that post you quoted that I felt it might have just been a ploy.
I guess I cant discount the policy of a Simberto/Chocolate mafia team, even with Simberto attacking Chocolate. If both mafia are indeed in that list of 4 names I put in the diagram, then they're desperate and nothing is impossible.
Either way, tomorrows lynch will be very illuminating.
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I am on the road today so I'll be logging in via iPhone. There will NOT be a no lynch today. I'll move my vote onto simberto, if required. I am not entirely sold on his guilt, but a no lynch would put us back in this spot tomorrow, just with one less 'less suspicious' townie.
I'd still rather lynch chocolate, he's played the neutral lurker for 2 full days and nights and after he's thrust into the spotlight, his activity and content spikes? I don't like that.
I'll check back in closer to the deadline to see if I need to move my vote.
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Changing my vote now in case I drive out of signal coverage.
##Unvote Chocolate
##Vote Simberto
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I am ok with the 24/h day cycle.
Chocolate, why are you trying to out our DT? Is it because you realize youre dead tomorrow and you want to give your last teammate a half a chance to win? If they are getting 'guilty' checks back and then building a case from that, it is in your best interest to NOT say anything so he can continue doing his work.
Now that your only mafia suspect has flipped town, where do you suggest we go next? My vote will be heading your way as soon as the sun comes up.
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On February 02 2012 21:39 Chocolate wrote:
If I were mafia I wouldnt post in the thread to tell a teammate, I would just tell him.
A typical response and WIFOM. I say you were looking to rattle the DT into making himself more obvious, so you had confirmation of your shot.
I ask you again, what possible motive could a townie have for even bringing it up?
How does SS flipping red implicate me as mafia?
Sloosh, what has changed your mind about chocolate between this post and this post?
The analysis on Chocolate shows exactly why he is mafia. He has not been doing any work to further this town and he gives one line explanations as to why people are mafia and this is only after he is prodded.
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I was shot last night, as I was expecting.
Grats on the zealot dreamflower =)
I had DoYouHas figured out as the cop very early on, but I knew he didnt check Simberto on night 2, since he posted his reads at 11:59, before a cop check would have come back. Hence why I took such offence to Chocolate pointing it out (albeit with flawed reasoning)
Well, we cant count out the possibility of a GF, one of your innocent checks may infact be him. They have no roleblocker, so 4 goons vs a Cop, Medic and 1-shot vig sounds a bit unfair, giving heavy weight to a GF being present.
Sloosh, did you protect n2? i thought for sure if we had a medic, he would have protted MG after claiming vig. Either way, boss saves bro.
Whos taking the first swing today?
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On February 03 2012 13:07 CosmosXAM wrote:
if there was a GF I dont see how he could get two mafia goons, unless one is a miller which I doubt we have but no one can know that for 100%
I dont quite follow what you are trying to say here... DoYouHas has 3 green checks, one of which may be faulty... what does any of that have to do with millers?
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Jackpot.
So I joined the game, tunneled a townie and defended a mafia. Oh well, atleast I established my innocence
I sent a PM to incognito near the end of day 2 saying "im getting the feeling like im tunneling a newish-townie... how can I get off this and save face". No hard feelings Sacred, I knew you were town pretty soon after I posted my case.
GG guys
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So... most of the obs thread wanted to hang me for being mafia..
and most of the mafia wanted to shoot me for sinking my teeth into chocolate and not letting go.
Yep, gunna make a tonne of friends around here
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Oh yes, that paint picture
I had Chocolate already locked down at that point, I wasnt sure if it was zelblade or Bromance as the 4th mafia, so i just left him out. I was hoping i could sway people away from both Sacred and Simberto with that, but alas, it just ended up making everyone dogpile on him >.>
I was dreading day 4, I was going to have to defend SacredSystem, and boy wouldnt that have been interesting, considering my day 2 play. The whole game I had this nagging thought in the back of my mind that you were scum Bromance, and the only thing I could highlight in a case is that I KNEW FakePromise was going to flip green, before i even subbed in, and if i knew it, both you and Jitsu knew it as well... yet you piled on him anyway. Hence why i was continually jabbing away at both of you, with the comments about not following up MG, or 'lists are scummy bro'.
I cant believe i didnt get more support with lynching chocolate though. He admitted to soft defending zarepath, he was chainsaw defended by zarepath, never posted more then a single line per read. I was facepalming pretty bad on day 3 after simberto was hanged lol, then everyone went back to zelblade, i almost wanted to cry!
Still, thorougly enjoyable game, Im glad i got to sub in, it was an interesting experience, i felt like a bit of an outsider on N1, and I didnt help my case by being stubborn towards sloosh and refusing to post my reads.
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Yeah, its a big time commitment, best done when youre on holidays.
Make sure you reread the entire thread after each person is flipped each day and night, factoring in their now-revealed alignment.
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Always question what someones motive is, why are they doing something.
Same advice that was passed to me after my first game, get more aggressive, youll get what your looking for a lot faster. Either youll figure out theyre town, like i did with SS, or youll figure out theyre mafia, like with Chocolate.
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What tipped me over the edge with you Chocolate was when I said "and Bromance or Chocolate as the last scum", you questioned why, I said "general inactivity", then instead of trying to quell my suspicion, you went missing for another 12 hours.
From there i figured pretty quickly that you were indeed mafia, and even further that you were worried that anything you posted was going to be heavily scrutenized. Next time just come out firing, tunnel the crap out of someone.
Take a look at EchelonTee in Wiggles Mini Mafia, he was correctly identified as scum on day 2, in response he chose a target (GiygaS), and just dug right into him. The town convinced themselves that no scum would be so brazen to just hammer into someone like that, that they cleared him and went on to myslynch GiygaS and lose the game.
Still dont see what all of you saw in zarepath to be 100% sure he was scum O.o, I mean he did some scummy things sure, but some of the stuff he was doing flew right in the face of conventional scum play. None of the cases really highlighted why he was so scummy that he needed to die day 2. Hats off to you zarepath, you might have been the first scum dead, but you had me fooled =)
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You have the additional burden of expectation. Ive seen what you can do, so you're going to be held to your meta. I expect big, solid cases, with PICTURES! (haha ok not really)
If I see you on obvious mislyches like FakePromise, i start to worry.
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