EPTDo only the sleeper cell agents see the broadcasts or does everyone
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Do only the sleeper cell agents see the broadcasts or does everyone | ||
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I knew it, in this subforum people never remember the second L... | ||
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On January 24 2012 23:07 Zephirdd wrote: Okay... Is there any way a non-scum player can see the Sleeper Agent's broadcasts? I assume the Inception Agent can, under certain conditions, but are there more? Also, for the players: I haven't seen GGQ, Hesmyrr nor Navillus playing. Obviously that's because I'm a newfag, but can someone link a game of them? :D I haven't played for 4 or 5 months and when I was active I only played a few games so it probably won't help you much but I played Callers WWII game and a couple games around that time, I think 1 was RoL's anti-lurking game. I also sucked :/ | ||
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And saying inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something. doesn't actually mean that it's not true, the way this reads to me is Rad came up with an objectively good plan for town, you went oh shit and tried to derail it, everyone said wait this is good for town wtf are you doing, and now you're backtracking because you know it's good and arguing against it will get you lynched. The thing is I don't see what you saw on reread that "changed your mind" you're just saying what you said was bad before is good now... ??? Vote: redFF | ||
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On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere. | ||
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On GGQ well it's an weird, because I say he seems scummy for in a way supporting you by diverting attention and because he said he supported the plan even calling out that if people have a problem they should point to one of the steps... then he didn't actually call you or jackal out, the interesting thing is I think he got the same red read off of you that I did and that's why he helped you, so what you are doesn't actually matter to the read on GGQ. He could have seen what I saw, thought what I thought, then because he's scum reacted differently. | ||
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On January 27 2012 03:39 vaderseven wrote: I hate all of you and you are ugly! I like the combo of blazinghands case and the fact that cwave is very clearly (at least thus far, prove me wrong cwave) bonkers as a day 1 lynch. I personally think the 5 words part was in fact one of the very few true scum slips. I will be voting him when I get off work and get home. I want navillus to weigh in on some things (take your pick as to what) as your tone and posting pre page 10 gave my gut a twinge. Has he played in other games I can look at? Just read through the last few pages quickly, before I actually go over everything more carefully I'd say I don't really see the case against Cwave, first I understand where he was coming from/why he jumped on radfield, I mean we were spending a lot of time talking about how mafia might try to communicate through the thread and what radfield posted honestly does look like something mafia could use, that said I think he may have jumped too hard, I think we need to be careful and not post things like that but I don't think that's a huge tell on radfield. On the other hand I absolutely don't think this is a reason that Cwave would be scum, a stupid vote like this is not a scumtell in my book, honestly I would think scum would be much slower to jump on someone with no votes who seems not scum, the only other thing is his 5 word assumption, that could be a scumslip, but I won't be putting much weight into it myself as I actually had assumed the same thing either because of Hesmyrr's post or just because I skimmed the rules post and have been reading SC Mafia I so I assumed it was the same. | ||
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@Zephirdd First I'm sorry that you have trouble reading paragraphs that take up more than 5 lines, you could have just asked nicely, I would have and will change that. Second, I mentioned that information because it was already in the thread, now I agree that they almost definitely would have realized it anyway but once it was in the thread there was literally 0 chance that a scum wouldn't know Also it would have made it unnecessarily confusing to talk about without specifically referencing what I meant. Third, I never said a player can't change his mind, I was simply skeptical that Red did a full 180 in about 2 minutes after pretty strongly arguing for one side, especially because his 180 post was along the lines of "oh this part of the plan actually is good" when that part had been what he was just arguing against. Either way I'm off Red for now, I think it's possible he did, and don't think what I have now is enough to say he's scum. Fourth I already explained not wanting to waste time/attention responding to the OMGUS and explained that I then realized that was a mistake and why. I changed my mind, that's allowed right? Also, please try not to vote for people because you dislike how they write, that's not actually a scumtell and frankly terrible town play. I don't think this makes you more likely scum, just unstrategic. | ||
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On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote: Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment. Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them. And how is this not a direct contradiction of what you said not to do. You are essentially calling him town here. One strike too many. ##Vote: Radfield Now first remember that scum in this game are playing in the dark like us, so to identify scum they need to go on the same reads that we have. With that in mind, we had just decided that it lurking day1 is very scummy this game and pointed our lurker-lynch at Lanaia, no sooner had we done that than bum decided to jump to her aid. Now the fact is that he literally cannot know any more about her than we do at this point, he's also not stupid, this means that he should have the same conclusion that everyone else has come to, lurkers are scummy, Lanaia was lurking. He then chose to defend him/her, (lanaia = m/f?) this only makes sense if he himself is scum and realized that one of his own was likely about to get lynched, he even goes so far as to be ok with lynching ANY of the other people brought up for lynches and pushes for a rad lynch while rad is one of my town reads. Agreeing to anyone else just stinks of him trying to avoid the Lanaia lynch, which is just weird, Lanaia had been lurking there's no way he could've even had a strong town read for him/her. Bum is scum QED + Show Spoiler + and that rhymed - vote for him | ||
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Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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Bum jumps in without possibly knowing more than the people that just decided Lanaia looks like a good lynch and says he's OK with any of the other 3 candidates, that alone is suspicious, I'd be more fine if he was saying "Lanaia's meta blahblahblah and X is definitely a better lynch" but instead he says "NOT Lanaia anyone else!" even saying he's willing to lynch two people that by his own admission he "doesn't have a proper read on". Now I honestly don't see what would possess a town player to do this. On another note I'm note entirely sure where the Radfield wagon is coming from and it looks to me like people have sort of been straggling on to it without super clear reasons, I'm gonna go over the thread but I would love if one of the people voting for him could try to concisely explain why. As a last note no matter who we lynch today tomorrow we need to remember that lurking day1 is pretty scummy and check out all of the lurkers. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote: I wasn't aware scum knew who each other were. Of the three wagons currently rolling the only one with any credence to it is the Radfield wagon because he has pointed some pretty BSey stuff that the scum could use (as well as a "public key" type thing, but again i'm unsure as to how that would help them compress information), and that one's in the lead already. That being said, I just don't get how a scum player's gonna know Radfield's scum then jump onto another wagon with large enough numbers to change things. That bold portion shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend, and my problem is that I think Radfield is town and scum who agree with me are getting him lynched, if you are town I would hope you would see that Bum is likely scum and help lynch him, if not I would expect you to take the scum-safe option and vote for someone without a chance of getting lynched. Comprendé "broseph"? | ||
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So here's the new problem, why the heck aren't you voting? Well you have 4 logical courses of action. If you're town and you actually do believe that Radfield is scummy (here's a hint, you just said you do) then you might want to, you know, vote for him. If you're town and you don't believe he's scummy you would want to vote for someone else and push for them over Radfield. You do neither. That makes no sense, if you're town. Now if you're scum and you believe he's scum you should also be pushing for someone else. But if you're scum and you believe he's town, then you should quietly vote for someone else and let him get lynched so you can't take any blame for the townie lynch... Oh look DINGDINGDING we have a winner! | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1? What other options? I think Lanaia's a decent choice but she 1 at least gave an excuse and more importantly 2 has now been active and 3 seemed less scummy with what she did do/say than MZ Refallen's gonna get modkilled. IDK who else has lurked, I'll check later, not enough time now. | ||
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On January 28 2012 09:01 Refallen wrote: Alright, seems like consensus is on Radfield. If he flips sleeper agent then we can probably take a closer look at Navi. Even if scum doesn't know who each other are, they'll still try to defend people they think are scum, so I certainly think that they deserve more of a look. Okay this is just stupid "If he flips sleeper agent"... His flip has literally 0% bearing on anyone else's alignment, and I mean completely definitely absolutely 0%, if I'm scum then I know the same things you do, I couldn't possibly be influenced by his actual alignment. Just stupid... | ||
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On January 28 2012 13:48 GreYMisT wrote: Well that's unfortunate. This issue will be absolved before the night is over, don't worry mortals According to google definitions you are either going to 1. Declare the issue free from blame, guilt, or responsibility. or 2. Give the issue absolution for a sin. | ||
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Same reasons as before until I get to look through stuff. A couple of asides 1. While I would love a CWave lynch and think the Wiggles shot also points to him being scum, I also think the Wiggles shot was probably them fishing for blues 2. I don't think Refallen is scum, or rather I think his play up until now has been null-tell, it honestly just looks super-noob to me and if he were a noob scum I would expect him to try to be much less obvious, noob-town fits perfectly, I'm not saying he's town but I certainly would not be on board with a lynch based on what we've seen up until now. | ||
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On another note I'm having a really tough time getting a read on Lanaia. | ||
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So in general I mostly agree with Red's assessment of things and think that despite bum flipping town my scumlist largely remains the same. Personally I would like a blazinghand lynch a lot but we're already WAY too spread out with our votes, we need to consolidate on 2 or 3 major candidates. I am going to ##Vote: Jackal As he would be my next choice out of people that may actually get lynched today, if his lynch doesn't pick up more people rather soon my next choice would be GGQ. I really don't like the wagon on refallen, he seems much more noobtown than scum to me. The votes on Hesmyrr, Red, and Scamp need to go away, none of them are getting lynched today and the people that made those votes need to give their opinions on the actual candidates. | ||
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On February 02 2012 10:20 Blazinghand wrote: So you don't think Refallen is scum? Because if your reasoning is "don't vote Refallen because he won't get lynched today" you're making a self-fulfilling prophecy. How about you guys instead give your opinion on actual scum, like Refallen? Reading comprehension, you need it. My reasoning was don't vote, and I quote, "Hesmyrr, Red, and Scamp" because they will not get lynched. Refallen I said not to vote, because he seems much more noobtown than scummy. | ||
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Anyway GL guys :D + Show Spoiler +  | ||
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