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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 17 2012 05:32 GMT
#14
/in
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 23 2012 06:27 GMT
#62
Come on guys, after L I want to play a nice small game
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 24 2012 15:56 GMT
#88
On January 24 2012 23:11 Bluelightz wrote:
GCQ just played in TL Mafia L no? :p

and he played in Survivor I if you want to know he's no newbie :p


And Survivor II!

Don't look at my play in Mafia L, it's not good

I played pretty good mafia in Sleeper Cell I, and pretty good town in Mini Mafia IV.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 25 2012 03:04 GMT
#100
My mafia team shot me in Sleeper Cell I

Luckily Ace our scum leader was able to roll with it and claimed the shot as some kind of vigilante.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 04:52 GMT
#159
I think Jackal and redFF are misunderstanding Radfield's point with the idea of not calling people town. It's not a matter of just inverting it to "not scummy".

1) In any mafia game, mafia want to shoot the most valuable townies.

2) In a standard mafia game, mafia can share their reads and strategies on the most valuable townies and agree to shoot them.

3) In this mafia game, mafia must figure out their own reads and individually submit the kills.

4) If mafia disagree on who is the most valuable townies to kill, they can submit sub-optimal kills.

5) If townies post in the thread who the most towny players are, they make it easier for the mafia to co-ordinate kills.

The above is pure logic. If you disagree, what step do you disagree with?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 04:58 GMT
#163
On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?

Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.

I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie.


One thing that might be of interest is that last game Ace sent me a cryptic message about which player to vote to kill... unfortunately his hint applied to two different players... so I made a post in the thread asking him to analyse the two, hoping for clarification.

So it's definitely possibly that mafia will attempt to directly communicate in the thread.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 05:04 GMT
#165
About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are.

So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 05:05 GMT
#166
We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 19:34 GMT
#246
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


<3
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 19:47 GMT
#248
On January 26 2012 14:41 Navillus wrote:
Well no I was focusing on getting you lynched because you were scummy, your voting me the way you did added to that scumminess, but i don't think we're really going to convince each other so i'll let this rest until more people get to the thread.

On GGQ well it's an weird, because I say he seems scummy for in a way supporting you by diverting attention and because he said he supported the plan even calling out that if people have a problem they should point to one of the steps... then he didn't actually call you or jackal out, the interesting thing is I think he got the same red read off of you that I did and that's why he helped you, so what you are doesn't actually matter to the read on GGQ. He could have seen what I saw, thought what I thought, then because he's scum reacted differently.


My opinion on Radfield's "plan" was that it makes sense and if you understand what he's saying then there's not much to argue about. I also thought it was a little overbearing but that doesn't negate the validity of the idea. I don't think the "plan" was critically important and I think we've already spent way too much time talking about it.

I didn't call out jackal or redFF about it because it was a question of whether they were misunderstanding the "plan" or misrepresenting it. I wanted to see how they would respond to my clarification of the logic. Plus it was just a couple hours after the game began and most people hadn't even posted yet.

I think that your theory that I was trying to divert attention from redFF is completely inane.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 19:48 GMT
#249
On January 27 2012 04:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


<3

And there is another one.


Jackal and logic have never gotten along well together.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 26 2012 20:10 GMT
#255
On January 27 2012 01:35 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 01:30 Zephirdd wrote:
I still want to know what the fuck a VI is...


I had to mafia wiki it...

Sometimes, successful lynching of the "Village Idiot" results in the mafia being able to kill two people that night.


What is the motive behind this post? Cwave takes one line from one wiki page, so he definitely had a reason to post specifically this.

I can only assume he's trying to make redFF look scummy for saying he wants to lynch the VI. This seems like a gross attempt to misrepresent a player.

I don't see any town motivation for this post. Cwave is scum.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 27 2012 22:19 GMT
#346
I still believe Cwave to be scum (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&currentpage=13#255) but if he's not getting lynched, Id rather see either bum or lanaia lynched than Radfield at this point.

Voting bumatlarge for now
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#425
On January 28 2012 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 08:59 Lanaia wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:53 Lanaia wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.

How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling?


Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter.

OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled

what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible


1. You don't need to be rude.
2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone.
3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you.


1) ??
2) yes it does, and it applies to everyone, and he is the most egregious example
3) I wasn't here in the thread earlier, and i come back and everyone's wagoned onto some BS lynches. We only have 5 minutes left so a voteswitch isnt' happening. I'd like to say more about MZ but it turns out... hey! he's like got no content to analyze.

Why are you defending him so much mr scumbuddy

Well, I suppose I might as well lock in the lesser of two evils.

##Vote: Radfield


Scum doesn't know who other scum is. You just called me scum. Why aren't you voting me?
If you keep trying to get people to go on your wagon, and if they do, they'll still be sheeple as you so politely call them.

Refallen, you have literally one minute.


You know what scum does day 1? They don't know who other scum is so they try to be unhelpful and push crappy lynches and crappy arguments (see: your entire idea on the bum lynch and massive attempts to derail MZ switch) or the lurk (MZ).


How ironic
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 28 2012 21:15 GMT
#462
On January 29 2012 05:39 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote:
Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo....

you cunt


Seriously, bud, stop being such an asshole. It's completely unnecessary regardless of your alignment.

I might not be back before lynch, so if I die I suspect bumatlarge, Cwave, and blazinghand. After that look at redFF, refallen and lanaia.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 29 2012 23:25 GMT
#540
No time to chat, Cwave is scum, see you all tomorrow.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 29 2012 23:25 GMT
#542
Also, lynching bum is fine too.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 29 2012 23:28 GMT
#544
On January 29 2012 15:49 vaderseven wrote:
Now for a closer look at one lurker in particular-

GGQ.

You have 15 total posts in this thread.
Your first 4 posts have nothing to do with this game.

You have filler posts like this in there:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote:
We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all.

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


<3

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 04:48 GGQ wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:34 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


<3

And there is another one.


Jackal and logic have never gotten along well together.

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:11 GGQ wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:59 Lanaia wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:53 Lanaia wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.

How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling?


Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter.

OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled

what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible


1. You don't need to be rude.
2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone.
3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you.


1) ??
2) yes it does, and it applies to everyone, and he is the most egregious example
3) I wasn't here in the thread earlier, and i come back and everyone's wagoned onto some BS lynches. We only have 5 minutes left so a voteswitch isnt' happening. I'd like to say more about MZ but it turns out... hey! he's like got no content to analyze.

Why are you defending him so much mr scumbuddy

Well, I suppose I might as well lock in the lesser of two evils.

##Vote: Radfield


Scum doesn't know who other scum is. You just called me scum. Why aren't you voting me?
If you keep trying to get people to go on your wagon, and if they do, they'll still be sheeple as you so politely call them.

Refallen, you have literally one minute.


You know what scum does day 1? They don't know who other scum is so they try to be unhelpful and push crappy lynches and crappy arguments (see: your entire idea on the bum lynch and massive attempts to derail MZ switch) or the lurk (MZ).


How ironic

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 06:15 GGQ wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:39 redFF wrote:
On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote:
Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo....

you cunt


Seriously, bud, stop being such an asshole. It's completely unnecessary regardless of your alignment.

I might not be back before lynch, so if I die I suspect bumatlarge, Cwave, and blazinghand. After that look at redFF, refallen and lanaia.


Some of those aren't completely unrelated to the game but they are at best comments on things already said that do not help in the least in finding scum.

So 5 throw away filler posts, 4 posts not about the game and 6 real posts.

You are lurking so hard and you have also claimed that the scum won't be lurkers even though it is very VERY clear (and was pointed out a long time ago) why the scum will want to lurk.

Scum.

Found.

##vote GGQ


You're spinning shit like a madman. I hope I can assume that since no one else is voting for me, they all see how bad this case is.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 30 2012 23:06 GMT
#607
Did you think I was joking when I said I had no time to chat?

Sorry but I think it's honestly pretty obvious at this point. The people that are scummiest are the people that everyone is talking about lynching.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 30 2012 23:07 GMT
#608
On January 31 2012 05:17 Cwave wrote:
##vote: GGQ

As for he has no post, lurks after announcing it and tries to get people to sheep onto me without any bloody reason.
If Lanaia can't come up with something usefull other then "kinda" tomorrow she is next on my lynch list.


I've given the reason, it hasn't changed.
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