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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 14 2012 04:14 GMT
#1521
On February 14 2012 13:07 redFF wrote:
posting in the thread

Warned you privately, warning you publicly.

You're angry right now, and I'm not going to have you shit up this thread. Do not post in this thread again for 48 hours.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#1522
On February 14 2012 13:07 redFF wrote:
posting in the thread

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:55 GMT
#1523
I'll admit that i was angry and venting, but the fact that you warned me after the game was over and after how this panned out and even posted in the banlist about me has really pissed me off.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
February 14 2012 05:21 GMT
#1524
Thanks for hosting
you gotta dance
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 10:10:39
February 14 2012 05:30 GMT
#1525
There was a way for town to win and regardless I would have wanted to prevent mafia from achieving victory rather than end it early.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 06:29:57
February 14 2012 06:21 GMT
#1526
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
February 14 2012 08:15 GMT
#1527
Thanks for hosting!

/slap self for thinking Radfield was 100% scum.
/slap self more for not lynching GGQ sooner. I can't believe we let that guy cruise and ultralurk for so long
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 14 2012 08:29 GMT
#1528
The power roles that the town had were way too powerful IMO for this setup.

But meh, I don't really want to say much because redFF is calling everyone an idiot, both before and after the game ends. If that's the only way he knows how to get a point across then I'm making it a policy to never play with him again.
Cheese is good for you!
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 13:42 GMT
#1529
On February 14 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote:
Thanks for hosting!

/slap self for thinking Radfield was 100% scum.
/slap self more for not lynching GGQ sooner. I can't believe we let that guy cruise and ultralurk for so long


These were the two largest town mistakes. I really can't believe either happened tbh.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
February 14 2012 13:43 GMT
#1530
Scum I think made an equally large mistake in not shooting Lanaia sooner. She was practically screaming blue night 2 onwards.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 14 2012 13:44 GMT
#1531
Honestly by like Day 3 I was so sure town was just going to derp and give scum a perfect game. Then scum derped hard too rofl.

All in all, I think it was a pretty fun game. I'm going to review this setup in the future though to keep any endgames such as this from happening.
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Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
February 14 2012 14:28 GMT
#1532
On February 14 2012 09:21 redFF wrote:
cock, gg whichever one of you it is
bg rest of town fuck you all i lead 4 straight scum lynches but you fucked us up too much early on


I have to react to this cause you keep thinking you played like a boss. you did spend most of the time being overly agressive and abusive :\ Lanaia revealed us and it was gg at that point so don't flatter yourself too much about being the only good player. You even got temp-banned midgame.

Day one:

Your claim:
scumteam of Blazing, cwave and bum called it.


Radfield (6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven

Voted on a town by you

Day two

Final Vote count!
Cwave (2): Bumatlarge, GGQ
Bumatlarge (7): Lanaia, Navillus, RedFF, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Refallen, Scamp
GGQ (2): Vaderseven, Cwave
Refallen (2): Jackal58, Blazinghand

Hej look, another town vote by you.

Day 3

Refallen (5): Blazinghand, Lanaia, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Scamp
Scamp (1): GGQ
Jackal58 (3): RedFF, Navillus, Refallen
RedFF (1): Jackal58
GGQ (2): vaderseven, Cwave

Hej.... another town vote by you and even a blue this time. Note that i voted GGQ two days in a row but due to overplaying my hand day1, noone is listening anymore and instead everyone just follows trains on town lynches. Fucking 3 scum in on the Refallen lynch.

Also a nice quote by you going into day4
GGQ is not happening today.


At this point, we chain lynch the obvious scum due to LANAIA REVEALING TOWNIES and i agree with you that the game was over with the 5/5 situation.


I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 14 2012 14:35 GMT
#1533
Just wanna pop in and say I agree with iGrok's method of running the game. As long as both factions still have a chance to win there is no need to call the game unless the rules explicitly state so.

I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.
Computer says mafia
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
February 14 2012 14:36 GMT
#1534
On February 14 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote:
/slap self more for not lynching GGQ sooner. I can't believe we let that guy cruise and ultralurk for so long

An understandable mistake if you read L.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 14:46 GMT
#1535
Having slept on the matter I want to add that IMO this game wasn't a draw because I was playing the end game (last night and last day) 100% correct with the intent to win and it is safe to say that by the timing of my vote I had indeed accomplished creating a situation where in fact scum had a 100% chance to win and town 0%. Im kinda sad that we waited until that moment to end the game in a tie. I kinda feel like the game was allowed to run untill the town had been beaten and the a draw was given.

It doesnt matter though there isnt a ladder or ranking and I had fun. gg
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 14:53:04
February 14 2012 14:47 GMT
#1536
I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.

It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future.

Another objection of RedFF seem to be that vote race on 1v1 is hardly different than vote race on 5v5. By the time Jackal was dead (3v3 at the time I believe), vote rushing have become legit strategy. If any of these three realized this and initiated the vote rush, the game still would have been determined by who votes faster - which is the reason why the host decided to intervene on the last day! Once again, none of this happened but I believe that he thinks it is fault of the win condition that allowed even the possibility of such vote race to occur.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 14:49 GMT
#1537
On February 14 2012 23:35 Palmar wrote:
Just wanna pop in and say I agree with iGrok's method of running the game. As long as both factions still have a chance to win there is no need to call the game unless the rules explicitly state so.

I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.


On a seperate note, I agree with this. A careful read of the rules can clearly show how and why eithee side could have won up till the very last second. This game is a good case study in that particular set of rules concerning vote count and lynching but that is a 100% different matter.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 14 2012 14:52 GMT
#1538
On February 14 2012 23:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.

It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future.


Of course, but this happens in mafia. It's perfectly fine to criticize the setup. I agree that the setup needs to be looked at to prevent a situation like this from happening again.

We're really discussing three different things.

1) Does the setup need to be looked at? My opinion is yes. It needs to be somehow tweaked to prevent this situation.
2) Given the circumstances did iGrok handle it correctly? My opinion is yes. I think that the calls he made were correct. The situation was kinda shitty, but he made the best of it.
3) Is it okay to be mad about it? My opinion is yes. But it's not okay to throw abuse around or ask to never allow iGrok to host again. If you don't agree with something, you criticize it, and perhaps even offer a solution. Don't just throw a tantrum.
Computer says mafia
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 15:07:32
February 14 2012 14:54 GMT
#1539
Yes, I agree RedFF was bad though I will stay away from that whole ban debate. My concern is that his poor behaviour leads to misunderstanding of whole situation which will not make people learn from this event. So I just did not want the first question ("Does the setup need to be looked at?") to be gleaned over. I think we agree with second and third question
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 14 2012 16:40 GMT
#1540
Quick note on the whole "sanity" thing - knowing that the death of Leo would probably be a crippling blow, I wanted to find a way to make it slightly more bearable, without punishing scum for sniping the Leo. Therefore, I sewed doubt as to the sanity of the Color Cop, and had a trigger that when Leo died, the cop would be told her sanity.

As a mod, I will never lie to my players. But simply by refusing to comment, I made several of you distrust it enough that until Lanaia had several checks, she didn't claim (though her blue tells were painfully obvious haha!)
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