Sleeper Cell Mafia II

On January 30 2012 05:33 Hesmyrr wrote:
Voting for town =/= mafia. I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. (#) Pretty funny your accusation against Jackal58 and bumatlarge only consist of argument "they are experienced and they killed Rad, die!!!!!", yeah? (#)

However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post.

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On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:

On January 29 2012 10:00 Lanaia wrote:
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.

bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?

Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well.

It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post.

On January 26 2012 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Lol wow radfield, I’m actually shocked you slipped so bad in your first post. Your massive post was a massive warning to mafia and so hypocritical and here’s why.

On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
/confirm

On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.

First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now.

Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on.

We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.

Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves.

Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies.

Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around.

Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate information

So this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement?

LOLOL couldn’t you have hidden it better? For those who don’t see it, paragraph in red is basically a massive warning to fellow scum. Of course a scum post wouldn’t be complete without an obvious contradiction and rad doesn’t disappoint with his little ending bit about not giving advice to mafia.

Let’s start the day off right ##Vote: Radfield

I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that.

It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave.

If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about:

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Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end.

Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum.
##Vote bumatlarge

Also I still think CWave is VI.

Oh you filthy whore! People are voting me so I'm explaining why I had no qualms as town to oust radfield. If I said your lame excuse, that wouldn't be helping town. It sounds good? LOL that usually means it's true. You haven't touched on the actual substance of my reasoning, you are just guessing on why it could make me scum. The only thing that is hard to differentiate is if you really think I'm scum, or you are mafia, and either way you benefit from this. Please pay close attention to hesmyrr if I get lynched. Cwave being VI is probably the single most bullshit thing I have heard in the past few months. Zero explanation for it.

Also, people using breadcrumbs as a legitimate way to catch scum on the first day-

On January 26 2012 13:58 GGQ wrote:

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One thing that might be of interest is that last game Ace sent me a cryptic message about which player to vote to kill... unfortunately his hint applied to two different players... so I made a post in the thread asking him to analyse the two, hoping for clarification.

So it's definitely possibly that mafia will attempt to directly communicate in the thread.

This is GGQ's response. Read that with the intention of finding breadcrumbs. All of a sudden I look pretty good in comparison, right? WRONG YOU NEUROTIC IMBECILE. This is why you don't scumhunt with your breadcrumbs because you fall for lame signals that mean nothing. I don't like to make people feel stupid but I have to if you want to actually win this.

Please look very closely at Cwave first, and then hesmyrr. I am more certain about the former.

Again, my list right now is

Ace
Jackal
Sandroba
Wiggles

... oh wrong sleeper cell, let me fix that

Cwave
Hesmyrr

GEEZ deja vu.

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