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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 26 2012 17:03 GMT
#232
Oh i just don't particularly recall cwave being a flaming moron.
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and call him out for being scum. The fact that he even now has not appripriately addressed my takedown of his critique does lend some credence to the moron theory but he's probably just scum trying to dodge.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 26 2012 17:27 GMT
#238
On January 27 2012 02:13 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 02:08 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 27 2012 01:56 Radfield wrote:
You have to be joking Cwave -_-

On the bright side, Cwave was kinda bad during election mafia too(he tunneled me all game), and threw around pretty random accusations. Tragically it's par for the course so far.

Very possible his 5 words thing is a scum-slip, but also possible that he pulled it from hesmyrr's post as he said.


Jackal, I'd like to see you post at least 5 or 6 more times during Day1.

You gonna number them for me?
I don't know why you guys are voting for Cwave. He's right. That doesn't mean Radfield is scum but Cwave is correct in that if he is Radfield is slowly assembling parts of a key. And Radfield probably is scum.


Yeah I can keep track if you like :D

You have a tendency to coast as scum. This is something you surely agree with. I'd like to see you not coast.


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 01:57 Hesmyrr wrote:
Cwave is silly, but he feels town (I know I know but seriously mafia will not NK VI) not scum. Waited a little to see how people would react. Blazinghand, you said "Your criticisms of him are unsupported which is not like you". Can you explain that further using the meta? Also not sure if redFF is serious.


Agreed. Blazinghand what other games have you played with Cwave?


Purgatory Mafia. He didn't play particularly well there but I wouldn't characterize his actions as moronical either.


On January 27 2012 02:12 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 02:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh i just don't particularly recall cwave being a flaming moron.
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and call him out for being scum. The fact that he even now has not appripriately addressed my takedown of his critique does lend some credence to the moron theory but he's probably just scum trying to dodge.


Was done with work and biking home. Don't mistake not instant replying with dodging please!

My critique is that Radfield gave a tool for scum to communicate. One of the things our town has on scum is that they don't know who is scum and who is town. For them, there is a chance that they kill of one of their own. By giving them such a ranking list, i feel that it makes it a whole lot easier to coordinate a murder for them.

Your takedown is "your ideas are not supported" aka "the list Radfield made isn't scummy"?
I feel i'm right on this.


"dodge" for me isn't "not instant reply"

it's "ignoring blazinghand's takedown"

On January 27 2012 01:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh yes good point there's no way they could just say blazing townish cwave town penis without that code

Oh no wait they can totes do that np


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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 15:57 GMT
#303
Meapak is lurking. He's made two posts. The first is a somewhat contrived attack on Radfield, and the second is parrotting Radfield in a summarized manner. He is not attempting to contribute to the town discussion and has been doing a decent job of flying under the radar. However my radar is lower than the average radar. Meapak why the lurk? why the unhelpfulness?

##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 15:57 GMT
#304
Forgot to include this in my previous post: A link to meapak's "enormous" filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=82024
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 16:25 GMT
#306
I legitimately spent some time not calling out Meapak just to see how long he'd lurk without being called out. It turns out that amount of time is "literally more than a day". He's going to come back and tell us how he was busy, he needs to catch up on the thread, etc, and then he's gonna try to half-ass some analysis out close enough to the deadline that it won't change anything then comfortably lodge himself into a wagon.

Except instead we're gonna hang him
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#322
Guys I think we have a problem.

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Mass Lurkers
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 21:09 GMT
#335
Do you really think he's better than Meapak McLurkinson?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 21:48 GMT
#344
On January 28 2012 06:21 Navillus wrote:
Also Blazinghand, Hesmyrr, and GGQ need to move their votes to people that actually are in the running for a lynch - and by that I mean bum- or you're just letting scum choose where the lynch goes.


Ah yes you're right scum totes know who each other are and will deflect the lynch from each other???

Still, you make a good point. I could be a tiebreaker vote here, and it seems that the town is somewhat ok with letting Rear Admiral McLurk Zelurk continue lurking, so I'll examine the wagons and pick a horse.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 22:58 GMT
#355
I don't consider the current wagons to be considerably more convincing than I am of M_Z, so my vote stands barring someone posting something more convincing. It's plurality lynch so we should be ok.I'm here from now to the end of the day though.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:13 GMT
#358
On January 28 2012 08:04 Navillus wrote:
WTF Plurality lynch means that you're basically choosing to not vote, that will just let each scum vote for someone they're sure isn't scum and easily keep us from actually having a chance of hitting scum, in what world could this possibly help town?


I wasn't aware scum knew who each other were. Of the three wagons currently rolling the only one with any credence to it is the Radfield wagon because he has pointed some pretty BSey stuff that the scum could use (as well as a "public key" type thing, but again i'm unsure as to how that would help them compress information), and that one's in the lead already.

That being said, I just don't get how a scum player's gonna know Radfield's scum then jump onto another wagon with large enough numbers to change things.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:14 GMT
#359
Radfield (4): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge

Navillus (1): RedFF

Bumatlarge (4): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ

Lanaia (3): Hesmyrr, Zephridd, Vaderseven

Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand


Currently Radfield is going to win since he hit 4 first. I could move my vote over to him to make it so that it'll take 2 votes on Bum to put him in the lead (since whoever hits a number first is the tiebreaker), but it'll still be Radfield getting lynched.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:16 GMT
#360
Basically, your issue is only really a problem is you think

A) Radfield is scum
B) Bum is town
C) some scum is gonna figure this out gonna swing the vote over to Bum

But you don't think that, since your vote is on Bum.

So.... yeah. what you flippin out about broseph?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#363
You really think Bum is scum? Let me show you his filter my fellow brotagonist and we can think on this together

On January 28 2012 06:17 Navillus wrote:
Yaaaaaaaaaaay happy make up time, but now on a more serious note, we need to lynch bumatlarge, on a scale from 1 to scum he is king bum lord of the scumpeople. And that is because of this post.


Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.

Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them.

Meapak also fits the lurker bill, buts here's the thing. If Meapak is scum, he was doing one of a few things with his posts. A) He picked out a quick pro-town read on me, and tried to sabotage my cred or get me lynched(ballsy and unlikely). B) Picked out a scum read on me and tried to bus me to gain town cred(unlikely). C) Ignored my potential alignment and just went all out in an effort to build scum-hunting effort credentials(likely).

Or alternatively he is town and saw what he thought was a player trying to communicate with his scum buddies(most likely)


And how is this not a direct contradiction of what you said not to do. You are essentially calling him town here. One strike too many.

##Vote: Radfield


Now first remember that scum in this game are playing in the dark like us, so to identify scum they need to go on the same reads that we have. With that in mind, we had just decided that it lurking day1 is very scummy this game and pointed our lurker-lynch at Lanaia, no sooner had we done that than bum decided to jump to her aid. Now the fact is that he literally cannot know any more about her than we do at this point, he's also not stupid, this means that he should have the same conclusion that everyone else has come to, lurkers are scummy, Lanaia was lurking.

He then chose to defend him/her, (lanaia = m/f?) this only makes sense if he himself is scum and realized that one of his own was likely about to get lynched, he even goes so far as to be ok with lynching ANY of the other people brought up for lynches and pushes for a rad lynch while rad is one of my town reads. Agreeing to anyone else just stinks of him trying to avoid the Lanaia lynch, which is just weird, Lanaia had been lurking there's no way he could've even had a strong town read for him/her.

Bum is scum QED
+ Show Spoiler +
and that rhymed - vote for him



Oh what this is your entire case on him huh

let's break it down



On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.

Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them.


So that's the culprit sentence. But again is this a real culprit? I don't think so. He is trying to say Lanaia is town but he doesn't want to come out and say it. Why?

On January 27 2012 07:49 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:
On January 27 2012 00:15 Hesmyrr wrote:
Agree with no town read strategy, but looking over redFF's posts anyone could have validly brought up the "no scum" point so his behaviour is null-read for me. For example bumatlarge mentions it too and statement goes unchallenged... because it was less aggressive? I've seen too many times where people are lynched for arguing against town popular opinion.

Also,
##Vote bumatlarge
his first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_-
In fact, Radfield, why did you not vote him then (therefore encouraging more discussion)? lends more credence to your big-post-intended-to-coach-scum theory.

Cwave. What bad wording specifically?


I didn't vote him for several reasons, mostly because I think voting early and often hurts ones credibility. However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down:

* He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning.

On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?

Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.

I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie.



If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum"

He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them.

He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless.

These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case.


Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba.

And your suggestions would be cool if you didn't fuck them up with the "not scum" BS. Yes, we all get town reads, but the point here is to not post them in the thread. I am suspicious of you not immediately using that.

I feel like you are doing what you said people were doing with cwave, except with me. I don't plan on being lynched


Oh right look at that.


So why is he making a soft defense of Lanaia? Becuase Bum doesn't want to do hard defenses of anyone. He's clearly a moron, but that doesn't make him scum. The fact that he's interested in lynching cwave or navillus without a proper read is troubleing...


but not nearly as troubling as Radfield's various shit that he's done, including providing a cipher to the scumteam. Even if he's town that cipher could be used in theory, which is a serious issue. I'd consider Radfield to be scummy and I don't understand why people are wagoning Bum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:31 GMT
#364
But all that is peanuts compared to the epic legendary lurkstorm that MZ is pulling on us as obvious lurking scum. I really have no idea why anyone is voting for anybody but MZ
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:34 GMT
#367
Ok wait if Wiggles and Lanaia are here, we just need one more person and we can do an enormous voteswitch over to MZ and lynch him instead. Wiggles why don't you want to vote MZ?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:36 GMT
#370
oh yes that's a totally useful question to ask right now maybe igrok will answer it in the next 25 seconds and you can look town before the lynch deadline
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:38 GMT
#374
Navillus I've totes voted and I am nothing but quiet. Guys, we should all switch over to MZ. Look at his filter. Look at it. This is not the filter of someone who's trying to be useful. Navillus use your brain for a moment here and just look at MZ's filter. He dropped a vote and a post or two so he doesn't get modkilled and BAM HE'S OUTTA SIGHT. How do you think you're gonna form a read on this guy other than "day 1 lurker"?? well you're not because that's his goal? Or are you gonna park your vote on some obvious townie cause you are obvius scum
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:39 GMT
#375
On January 28 2012 08:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
##Vote bumatlarge to counteract Mr. Wiggles vote. I just don't think maf will be hugging the spotlight too much on d1. I will definitely be happy with MZ switch however.


What the dicks is this? That doesn't counteract shit, whoever hits 5 votes first is still the guy who's lynched
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:41 GMT
#379
Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles

Navillus (1): RedFF

Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr

Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven

Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand


OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
January 27 2012 23:42 GMT
#380
On January 28 2012 08:41 Navillus wrote:
1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today.


wtf dude get over here and vote him.
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