EPTwhy don't we all declare that we will ignore other people in the thread?
that way we don't have to read their posts, think about or analyse them!
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layabout
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why don't we all declare that we will ignore other people in the thread? that way we don't have to read their posts, think about or analyse them! | ||
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On January 31 2012 03:28 prplhz wrote: Hey risk.nuke what do you think about LSB/layabout? If they're both scum, isn't it weird that LSB traded 2 votes to layabout, when layabout was very suspicious in the thread yesterday and was a big candidate for today's lynch? That would be like throwing 2 votes away. Also, about VisceraEyes' insanity, you should check out XLVIII. The guy was insane in that game too and he was scum. I haven't seen him go this crazy in any other game. And by insane I mean, he tunneled Palmar for 3 days straight even though everybody was telling him to stop it. What do you think about Dirkzor and Jackal58? I think it's weird that Dirkzor would trade Jackal58 on such a flimsy reasonable, Jackal58's play in Purgatory doesn't fit Dirkzor's description at all and Jackal58 hasn't displayed any stellar town play in this game at all. I know that townies do stupid things but you can only give them this much room until you have to lynch them. why am i suspicious? | ||
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On January 31 2012 03:58 Palmar wrote: hey layabout, you need to take a stance, you being scum is irrelevant atm. Do you want to lynch me or VE? I am unsure of Your alignment. Early day 1 i had a town read on you. You were calling people stupid, arguing etc ...But your play has left me less and less sure of that. Rather than explaining what you felt was best for town you simply said that you would not co operate with a plan and called people scummy for no reason. You let people waste time and then 30 hours in, you explained why you had disagreed from the start of the day.You have had reads that i consider poor, which is unusual. You decided to kill WBG very early on and you did not explain yourself until he was a good as dead (and absent), and when there was not much to lynch him over. You then tried to kill LSB who has done more to help town than any other individual. You now want to kill VE (the fact that you both claim hits make this a valid course of action now), who you had pushed before before he had acted in a way that could provide you with enough information to make a reliable judgement about him. You have made very little effort to convince or persuade people, you have labelled people scum and tried to pressure and bully people into agreeing with you. You have acted in a way that negatively impacts the town atmosphere. You have tried to kill players that would be valuable if town without providing good reasons. I feel you have acted in an anti-town fashion. But i did think you were town and people that know your play have said they think you are town. If you do not pick up your play then i think you are a better lynch. I am unsure of VE's alignment. He started supporting the plan and calling you scummyhere (clicky) . He then completely abandoned the plan and his accusations against you because "scum could gain a vote through circle trading" and therefore "circle trading" was bad and you were not scummy for opposing it, i felt that this was a weak reason, (though it turns out not supporting "circle jerking" is probably a much better stance). He then got involved in more discussion about plas and such, then presented a case against paperscraps. He points out several things paperscraps has done that are anti-town and votes for him. He claimed to have not realised how long we had left and apologises. He then unvotes paperscraps for a few reasons: 1) He doesn't think he will convince anyone 2) He thinks that Paperscraps suggesting a no-lynch would be a dumb thing for scum so he is more likely town than he had previously thought. 3) He wants to go back and read more filters.. Then he hammers WBG. He says he sent a vote to LSB. He claims to have been hit during the night. I feel like he was taking an interest in the initial plan discussion but that he added very little to it. I think his vote on Palmer served no pro-town purpose and that his quick unvoting is not in his favour. Whilst i can empathise with him wanting to kill paperscraps i feel that paperscraps is probably green, and that the case was a little forced. He has at least made an effort to explain why he thought what he did, and i think that he has contributed to a positive town atmosphere. I also agree with him that LSB is town and that we should not lynch him. I do not like that he was absent from discussion and then showed up to hammer with no explanation. I have not really arrived at a conclusion about his alignment either way. If i try i can view his actions as townie or scummy but to do so would be forcing a conclusion. It seems that one of you is lying. There will (hopefully) be a lot more information tomorrow when i get back to the thread I will take a firm stance shortly after. I will not vote until we are nearing the end of the day anyway. This is my view currently. | ||
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On January 31 2012 04:22 Palmar wrote: This is the evidence I have. a) VE fake-claimed a hit (I know this) b) you received a vote from layabout (whom I suspect) c) you suggested we don't kill him (and use a DT check, which we don't even know we have) You are the last person to be added to the list, but do you honestly think you can give us an option that is better than killing either me or VE? Mafia only has 1 kp, so one of us is lying (any vigis would've claimed now). So yes, if you don't want to lynch VE, you must be scum. lol On January 27 2012 18:26 Palmar wrote: That's at best terrible, at worst scummy way of thinking. You cannot deduce anything about my alignment from how other people interact with me. | ||
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1) Palmar or ViceraEyes 2) jaybrundage 3) Meatless taco 4) sentinel 5) jackal58 4 from that, in any order. Either Palmar or Vicera is scum due to claims. (them both being town and claiming hits with no NK and 1 scum KP is extremely unlikely) None of these players has looked very town to me. | ||
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That is to say that, that list is entirely from eliminating town reads or null/town reads. Since i have not refined my view on VisceraEyes and Palmar i have not made any judgements based on either of them being scum/town, instead i have looked at individual's contributions. | ||
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On January 31 2012 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a veteran. There was no save, I just absorbed a hit. Stop voting for me and vote for Palmar. He's manipulating you guys by bullying you into voting for me. Woah that's late. /kill discussion. Lynch now or tomorrow? | ||
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On January 31 2012 05:47 Jackal58 wrote: Pardon my absence work has pulled me out of my office today. Visc has your brain short circuited? Or are you playing some sort of game with us? Layabout - Palmar has about as much chance of being scum as I have of being a virgin. And I got 2 kids. If you have something on him that isn't a big festering pile of OMGUS I'd sure like to see it. Hey I have an idea. Why don't you put those 5 votes of yours on VE? ##Vote: Viscera Eyes there is no space you need to vote again. | ||
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i missed this post: On January 30 2012 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I sent LSB 1 vote. He's been making the most sense, and I would have given him both but I feel a VE wagon starting and I'll be God damned if I let you guys lynch me. so i thought that his claim was just after coming back to the thread and therefore reasonable. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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sorry dirk | ||
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On January 31 2012 06:29 Dirkzor wrote: I think Zbot is fucked. I just recieved confirmation for the vote trade i did last night. Should I ##Don't sendvote? Or is it reset and the confirmation PM is something I should ignore? anyone else got a PM from zbot with confirmation of last night votetrade? yes | ||
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On January 31 2012 06:34 Palmar wrote: ♥ Layabout should probably be next, seeing he has the most voting power of the scum. maybe you could provide a shred of reasoning as to why? So far: Palmar has called me scum from the game start for no reason. Sentinel has voted for me whithour giving any reasons. Paperscraps presented my posting as scummy after i wrote that one of his posts was suspicious. Prplhz tried to discredit me after the day1 lynch, for responding to questions. Since it is likely that some or all of you are town, i would like to say that you are all dicks. (prplhz, maybe you don't belong there, i may take back this "calling you a dick" later) chaoser wrote this: "3) Aside from them, layabout also does the "write a long post about nothing" and then later on when the vote trading topic had died down a bit, brings it up again while bringing nothing new to the discussion." I disagree with this, although i can see why he would say this since i do tend to throw walls of text at the thread. Hmm.. maybe i do write too much.. nope that's silly, you all just need to write more and explain yourselves thoroughly. and jay wrote this On January 31 2012 05:17 jaybrundage wrote: Which also calls me scum for no reason.Wait does this mean that im confirmed town then if scum is pointing fingers at me :D I was curious about meatless taco as well was fingering him as the last scum. But i guess that this disproves it : ( I think the jackal one is just odd. I have had a town read on sentinel since day one tbh and obviously palmar is town There is nothing off substance that suggests i am scum. Get your heads out of your arses. | ||
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SOOOOOO hard. | ||
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On January 31 2012 07:35 MeatlessTaco wrote: You called me out on Day 1. I still gave you a vote because I was worred Palmar might be playing us. You still think I'm mafia. Even ignoring myself being on it, this list doesn't make as much sense as Palmar's You are only on that list because you have not provided enough content for me to look at and conclude that you are town. That was why i mentioned you as "least green" day 1, it was still the case on day2. | ||
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On January 31 2012 07:46 Palmar wrote: here's the deal. Layabout and LSB must give away as many votes as they can. They can pick the receiver themselves. No one can give them any votes. If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them. What a pile of shit | ||
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Since i am town i don't much like the thought of giving away 4 votes so i will not. | ||
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On January 31 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote: No I mean, I'm basically confirmed town. I am willing to reconsider, and giving your votes away to someone who looks town with good reasoning will help your cause. And providing any analysis whatsoever would mean you would have a case rather than fuck all. | ||
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On January 31 2012 08:20 risk.nuke wrote: layabout: Lets assume you're town. Why would you not want to do what's best for town? You're stance is if town makes a mistake and mislynches you then town should be further punished. Do you think you're Bill Murray or something? Do you understand the problem with your stance? Do you understand why It's bad for town in itself? Now let's expand the thoughtbubble. Lets assume Palmar isn't just bluffing to get you to trade away your votes before we kill you. What if he actually wont push you because you're now a minimal threat. This will let you to stay in the game, do you understand what that means? You can continue to offer your thoughts and try to be an asset to town and you'll be alive and you can help town avoid a mislynch 100%. Isn't that alot better then stubbornly taking a pro-scum stance and getting mislynched. Because i hate you guys. No-one has made any attempt to put together anything resembling an argument or case as to why my behaviour makes me likely to be scum. I put in quite a lot of effort and i am sickened that people who are lurking, being stupid or not providing reasoning for their calls and actions think it's okay to call me scum and not say why. It is bad play. I would rather make good decisions and lose than make bad decisions and get lucky. I think that if you bother to read my posts, and try to evaluate them fairly and in context, it should be blindingly obvious that they were written with towns best interests in mind. I do not think that i am a good lynch candidate. (it should be obvious but, if there was a case that made me look red then i would admit that i was a good candidate and argue against it, instead there is nothing and from a neutral standpoint i am a bad lynch target) As a town player i should not be giving away 4 votes to a player that i am not sure is town, or player that i think will use those votes to lynch a town player, or a player that i think will give those votes away stupidly. risk.nuke and LS are my two strongest town reads. I disagree with you on most things and Palmar is trying to paint LSB red by using the word "scum" repeatedly. What would you do in my position? What is even worse is that lynching me is stupid as there will not be a flip and you will be unable to realise the error of your ways. tldr: I am town I am a bad lynch I have votes I am keeping them You guys need to think | ||
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