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Dirkzor
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Sent: chaoser (3) -> 1 vote to palmar/layabout = 2 votes left LSB (2) -> 1 vote to palmar/layabout = 1 vote left layabout (5) -> 4 votes to chaoser = 1 vote left Received: chaoser (2) + 4 votes from Layabout = 6 total LSB (1) + 0 votes = 1 total (0 as he died) layabout (1) + 9 votes (intercepted from palmar) = 10 votes Now it should look right. | ||
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Dirkzor
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Things talking in favor of Chaoser: He did say he was okay with a lynch on VE after night1. He have distanced himself from Layabout throughout the game. Things talking againts chaoser: VE was already palmars target from day 1. He gradually distanced himself from layabout the more lay was painted red by town. He have several times called LSB town. Later changing to neutral. On February 01 2012 17:07 chaoser wrote: He looks like he was regular mafia too so it wasn't even like I was saving someone "important". Not to mention that at that point layabout had more votes so if I was mafia I would try to save layabout over LSB. Also if I was mafia But why would VE sacrifice himself for LSB if he wasn't important? I think it was LSB who had the powerrole but it worked even though he was shot. (at work can't really finish this...) | ||
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Dirkzor
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Your first post where you said you thought VE was scum was AFTER night 1. So you knew that palmar had survived when you bussed VE. In the same post you said small things about layabout (wall of texting). You never really called him scummy until way later when palmar had painted him bright red. Thats why i think you are gradually finding layabout more and more scum in the same pace as town finds him more and more scum. Also the fear that Palmar might live was a very real possibility as he was saved night 1, why not night 2? But at the same time scum had to kill him because they knew he was/is one fo the few who can't be talked around. Talked around like you are trying to do now Chaoser. About votes going to you being stupid from scum... Not really because as you say its all wifom. Did scum give it to you to paint you red or because you actually are red. You are trying to spin it one way where I believe the other. If layabout was giving votes to LSB it would in no way point him as town as we already found him scummy. He had to find a target that would make atleast a little town. Why not give 4 votes to palmar then? Or to someone else? I don't think you were the greenest one here... I think I'm right... you can only prove me wrong by dying. And you will =) | ||
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Dirkzor
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On February 02 2012 05:54 Paperscraps wrote: Chaoser needs to die. I don't see any downside to it. 'Nuff said. | ||
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That said I'ven't (I've not, I haven't, I'ven't) read his filter as of late so I'm not calling him scum or town. | ||
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Dirkzor
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Of the top of my head is MeatlessTaco... For your information I just read Prplhz and Risk.nuke filters and they seem town to me. | ||
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Dirkzor
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On February 01 2012 13:57 MeatlessTaco wrote: prplhz said we should give away as many votes as wecan every day. He was a supporter of LSB, the only confirmed red, he cautions restraint in the layabout lynch, when he wanted to hammer bugs. Why are we stalling again, prp? On February 01 2012 13:59 MeatlessTaco wrote: apologies, I missed one prp accusation, he vote-loaded Palmar when he knew he would die in order to look town | ||
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Dirkzor
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On February 01 2012 15:01 jaybrundage wrote: I want to lynch chaoser tommorow then. Notice this he CLAIMED that he got votes from layabout. Before everyone had even claimed only 7 people had declared where there votes went. That means 4 people had not declared who they were voting for. However instead of thinking other people voted for him he assumed that layabout gave him those votes. Looks like he had prior knowledge that he was going to get those votes. Also he defended LSB for a bit till he figured that he too was a lost cause. Chaoser also didnt know about the VE lynch till it already happened he could not really have a say in it. (although maybe he would of tried to defend his mafia buddy) It seems pretty obvious that hes mafia. Unless layabout was using WIFOM to try to make chaoser look bad. What do you guys think. If Chaoser doesn't work out i have another candidate in mind. I would like to know who you meant? | ||
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Dirkzor
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I think the last 1/2 scum are in this list of 4: Chaoser MeatlessTaco Jaybrundage Jackal58 In that order. The reason I say 1/2 scum instead of only 1 is because I only see VE and LSB as confirmed scum. We got flip on LSB and VE basicly sacrified himself to save LSB. WBG is probably town and layabout is probably scum. layabout vote magnet could also be a major powerplay from scum to throw town totally off. Also where the fuck is everyone? This game isn't over yet... | ||
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Dirkzor
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Half the game he have been posting thought similar to those of the scum we have confirmed (LSB and VE – I assume VE is confirmed due to palmar being shot). The other half he have been questioning and attacking the exact same people. He starts by wanted to do circletrade like LSB. He then wants to kill either Palmar or risk.nuke because they are against the circletrade. He claims this was an attempt to bully them to follow what he thought was a good plan. Even though he in this this post seemed to have changed his mind he later posts as if circletrading is still a good choice: here. He supports VE case on Paperscraps by saying he doesn’t find anything wrong with it and later supports LSB case on Sentinel with a vote day 1. He also say that he don’t find anything bad in VE’s filter here Then he does a 180 and starts attacking the known scum. He questions LSB’s first post night 1 calling it a bad idea. Day 2 he votes LSB pretty early. Palmar and Paperscraps had voted (with no reasoning) and his own reasoning was rather lacking: see here He later helps to lynch VE, continues to push LSB a little and later pushes layabout. Layabout also had him pretty high on his scum list – but that can mean anything. The 2 posts I asked him to elaborate on are pretty bad. Because the only thing I find true in them are that prphlz wanted us to give away as many votes as possible day 1 and that prphlz have given all his votes to palmar. This in itself is not scummy. All in all he isn't a bad lynch target. | ||
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I also think we should lynch jackal. Reason is that I strongly believe that paperscraps is/was the medic. The roleblocker is a scum role who targeted paperscraps and killed palmar. On February 03 2012 06:47 Paperscraps wrote: Well I am leaving for school in a bit and won't be back until 11:30-12:00 kst. (about 1 1/2 - 2 hours after night ends) My top scum reads: MeatlessTaco Chaoser Sentinel Dirkzor I believe much will be revealed after tonight. Incase I die, I leave you all with this. steganography Tro googling steganography. I don't have time to look thorugh paperscraps posts right now for breadcrumbs but it must be there. Scum can have picked that up and hence been 100% sure that they could kill palmar 2nd time around. Was anyone roleblocked? The roleblocker might be dead (layabout - i find it unlikely) or they targeted paper so he couldn't selftarget. ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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Dirkzor
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On February 03 2012 07:05 jaybrundage wrote: Ok first off Dirkzor why would you trade me a vote because you think you have a town read on me. And then say Im possible scum. For that don't even trade a vote. You should give your votes to people you are confident are town. My question for you then is what am i good town read, or suspected scum? Second off I don't suspect Dirkzor and Meatless taco in part because they both sent me votes. Is that quite simple could they still be mafia. Of course, however Occams Razor, They are probably town because their sending a town there vote. In response to Dirkzor I so far i would push a risk.nuke lynch. If chaoser does work out. Lets hear about risk.nuke now then? About giving votes. I've tried the entire game to give votes to people I don't think anyone else whould give to. That means giving to people in the "middle" so to speak. You making this list with jackal is because i have a lesser townread on you then the rest. Either way my votes have been spread - but poorly. | ||
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Dirkzor
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If Chaoser doesn't work out i have another candidate in mind. or I so far i would push a risk.nuke lynch. If chaoser does work out Does or doesn't? O_o | ||
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Dirkzor
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I might have been fast to vote Jackel, but his medic claim still confuses me... I actaully shot LSB night 2 but got my shot refunded because Node was faster. *pats self on the back* On February 03 2012 05:49 MeatlessTaco wrote: prp harped on me for pushing for a lynch, he wanted to "run the numbers", I though we could run the numbers later anyway so just get a lynch in. In that post prp called me "less than impressive" and "deliberately obtuse", which, since I was drunk, I spent 2 minutes unearthing his less than impressive play, which included the last defense anyone gave of LSB, vote loading Palmar to give mafia a chance and advocating giving away as many votes as possible which is the reason we can't be 100% sure of a victory because we had to lynch 10 votes yesterday. I also found it odd that he was asking for restraint when he was pushing for the bug's hammer quickly. When I sobered up, I realized prp is unlikely scum since the proper play for him would have been to give 1 vote to Palmar, not 5, in case they didn't get a majority right there. MeatlessTaco: Mind finding the post where prphlz defends LSB? I couldn't find it yesterday and I don't want to spend time right now looking for it. Hmm.. crazy thoughts: LSB and chaoser is scum. I suspect VE to be more likely to be scum then layabout. So VE is the third and bugs and layabout was town. Would prphlz give votes to palmar if he knew they would end up at layabout so layabout would look bad? Also do you tihnk scum had a roleblocker + a bus driver? Since palmar and paper both claimed to have been roleblocked? If yes - which one are alive? Or was the busdriving ability one time use? Or am I misunderstanding the way bus driver works? | ||
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Dirkzor
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If jackal isn't scum prphlz is and we lymch him next but i'm pretty sure jackal is the scum... | ||
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Dirkzor
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can we shorten the night to when all have done nightactions? | ||
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Dirkzor
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Just to cover all bases. LSB was scum chaoser was scum wherebugsgo/VE/layabout is dead - do we believe one of them was scum? Jackal is 99% scum. Do anyone see the chance that there are still 2 scum left? Jackal and someone else? I'm pretty sure VE was scum but I can never be 100%. Best action is for Node to just give 1 vote away. If he tries to give away 5 votes and scum can still bus they might gain majority. However if they kill node the votes are lost but town still have majority. I believe the steel power is 1 time use. | ||
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Dirkzor
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I really did think that you acted differently day1 then you did in purgatory... Oh well... VE was the 4rd scum? | ||
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