And he should.

Damn, how everybody thought he was town from D3 onwards is not funny, he must be a genius or something!

Also, do I get points for predicting Blurry was Medic and Prob DT, and he checked Sheth and BK? >_>

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 01:59 GMT

#1021

On January 15 2012 10:29 GreYMisT wrote:Also, considering the final day, One of the keys to surviving an lylo situation is to take a step back, and instead of diving into each person's posting and analysis, just take a broad look at their actions and interactions with others in the game. Usally you will find something that doesnt quite fit. Take cephiro on the last day for example. When asked about lynching gonzaw, he said his reasoning will be coming shortly, yet he posts a SUUUUPPPEER long thing on cats before even coming around to gonzaw. and by that time it is basically time for the game to be over. its subtle, but you can sense a reluctance to lynch gonzaw in his posting, even when he says he is fine lynching him.

To be honest, he did spend like 5-6 hours doing those posts >_>

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 02:06 GMT

#1025

On January 15 2012 11:01 Jitsu wrote:

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Too bad I couldn't actually accomplish anything in the game, other than getting suspicious of Sheth right before Probulous came out with his analysis, and saying "gonzaw" right before I died.

Again. Sigh.

lol, your situation was like Citizen Kane or something:

-Before dying, Jitsu said "(I'll check) gonzaw.......('s filter)".

Then everybody spent D3 analizing what this meant.
They analysed Jitsu's history (filter) to find any indications of what his last words meant.

However, Town soon forgot about it, but when all was lost, it was revealed.....that "gonzaw was scum".

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 02:24 GMT

#1029

On January 15 2012 11:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
To my pupil: you asked good questions, and you played well. You did your job well and that's why you died early. If you want some more advice just PM me and I'll respond as best as I can.

Oh, who was it?

Also, I think with our coach we just talked about Mario 64 and joked and stuff >_>

Was great fun though! Go Go Cyber_Cheese!

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 02:27 GMT

#1031

On January 15 2012 11:25 Tunkeg wrote:

This was a brilliant play by Gonz (even though I think he overdid it later in the game by getting into an arguement with Jitsu right before he died, and prob right before he died, which made Gonz look very cummy towards the end).

>_>

EDIT: Anyways, thanks for the analysis! (and the MVP award, although maybe it should be split in many different areas IMO, I don't think each scum member was any less or any better than the other, not even Sheth)

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 03:02 GMT

#1037

On January 15 2012 11:25 Tunkeg wrote:
The mother of all fuck ups
Blurry claimed when he shouldn't and that led to his death and probs death, which instead may have led to a confirmed DT read on Gonz.

I'd like to point something out about it.

First, yes, it was a bad claim.
However, Blurry was very unlucky.

First, there was a RBer, which means the RBer (yours truly

) could RB him, and basicly make him lynched the next day (had Blurry survived the lynch).

Second, if Prob had thought there was a RBer, then he wouldn't have pushed for Blurry's lynch, and may even have believed him (when Blurry was eventually RBed).
This was less bad play from Prob and Blurry, and I think better play from scum that decided not to RB both nights.

EDIT:

Also, if Blurry wasn't lynched (and there was a NL), I don't know if Prob would have suspected I was scum at that point. I think he would have checked Paper or Blurry perhaps (so he would really know if there is a RBer or not).

EDIT:

On January 15 2012 11:59 Jitsu wrote:
It's usually not revealed who the coaches we're coaching, AFAIK

You don't?

>_>

<_<

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 03:22 GMT

#1040

On January 15 2012 12:12 Probulous wrote:
First off thanks to Palmar. He answered my questions with simple clear answers. Timezone was difficult but I got what I asked for.

Secondly, FUCK YOU CEPHIRO

I've said it before, if you were scum you deserved the win. I really feel town was screwed by having a scum team that just vastly outplayed the majority of the town. Tunk and Jitsu (especially) played really well but as always the good die young. If you look at the rest of the days there was me against Gonzaw and Cephiro. Cats played really well in the end, but had no credit. Blurry lurked and then WTF claimed, the rest of town provided almost nothing.

Knowing that Cephiro was scum makes me feel good about my reads. If Ceph wasn't scum then my first day reads were all wrong! My DT checks were pretty spot on though, Sheth and Gonzaw were red so I am happy with that. But by far my best play I feel was changing my read on Cats. It is really hard to go back and change something that you are sure of but in this case it was the right thing to do.

As for scum you played very well, it is kind of ironic that the only reason I looked at Sheth night one was cause of Ceph but it bought him town cred with me. His noticing of Blurry's breadcrumbs was also brilliant play. Gonz, you played well but your over aggressive responses made it very clear to me you were scum. Of course it didn't matter because I died but if they others had read over my case it would have been clear.

So awards
MVP - Town goes to Jitsu, scum goes to Ceph for his response to my case day 1.
Most improved - Cats, no question there.
WTF? Blurry and his fail claim

Thanks Grey I really enjoyed the game. I think the lesson for town in this game is that everyone needs to participate and evaluate on their own. There were times where the only people questioning my read were scum

Well, to be honest I did in fact believe your case against me was based on confirmation bias >_>

Also, appearing scummy on N3 onwards wasn't a problem to me.
In fact, it was what I wanted, since it would take pressure off Ceph, and lead us to victory, whether I was lynched or not.

Also yeah, cats improved a lot.

Too bad (or thank god for us >_> ) that his early play punished him later on.

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 04:42 GMT

#1043

On January 15 2012 12:39 Probulous wrote:
I got suspicious when you refused to actually answer anything. You just started swearing and calling stuff WIFOM. It may have been WIFOM but it was hardly a defence. I was sure but I was dead, so it didn't matter

I am not the best at persuading others. Look at my case against Sheth, it makes no sense. I ended up pleading with people. The fact that all three scum voted for him to be killed just shows how bad the lurkers fucked us over.

Anyway, well played. I put a lot of effort into this game and would have liked a win, but I can say that town as a whole was outplayed.

Well yeah, I know my response to your case sealed the deal about me being scum, although not your actual case.

The thing is that you posted so close to the deadline, and I wanted to respond to your case before you died...

So instead of making a good defence, I just rushed over it posting "fuck fucking fuck" every once in a while >_>

I think you may even see that one of my responses was "This is fucking" and nothing else >_>
I was in such a hurry I forgot to finish that sentence >_>

Here:

On January 13 2012 09:57 gonzaw wrote:

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This is fucking

EDIT: And I wasn't lying when I mentioned Paper's strawmans and confirmation bias either >_>

It seems that a lot of you use that "storytelling" thing to "pinpoint" mafia.

You quote a post and say "Oh, and here he goes and votes for a townie, which he knows hecause he is scum."
"Oh, and he suspects Blurry's the medic, so he wants him lynched, which is why he voted him there".
"Oh, he knew that Blurry was a newb and used WIFOM, so he used those to push his lynch".

I mean, if you already know I'm scum, that's a good way of justifying my posts (actually Ceph's case against me was the actual story of how I played scum, taking out the "cat's scumbuddy" and "you were making me suspicious!" parts >_> ).

But it's not a very good way of determining if I'm scum or not.
You can do that with any player basicly (unless you find contradictions, in which case he's confirmed townie, or similar).

EDIT2: Also, did the town coaches know who the scumteam was? (as in, were they told who was scum when the game started?).

If not, it would have been a good idea to mindfuck them by asking townie questions and stuff >_>

gonzaw

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January 15 2012 06:07 GMT

#1046

On January 15 2012 10:45 Cephiro wrote:But since I chose to not read guides but learn the game by playing, Probu's first-day case on me actually helped my play a lot.

Oh another thing.

I read Ver's Guide, and decided to act the opposite of what he said scum usually act >_>

Meh, worked until N3 though...

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