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On January 08 2012 05:46 gonzaw wrote:
Also people, what do we do regarding Xeris/Gretorp? Just wait?
It's all we can do right now. It's been at least 48 hours since either of them has posted. Their inactivity is such a handicap for us because we've made all the reads we can until they respond, which leaves the rest of us to point the finger at each other just because we're (Sheth, Gonz, Prob, Jitsu, Myself, Tunk until he was killed) the only ones that are talking. They're either mafia, shitty/scummy town players, or don't play on playing this game at all. At this point I'm kinda expecting them to be mod-killed.
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Cephiro really impressed me with the way he defended himself against your analysis. His statistics post people got angry at him for isn't really that big of a deal for me since it was his first post and it's his first game of forum mafia. Ceph was also the first the post a write-up on all the town, although you picked it apart later. I still think that counts for something. He called out Sheth in his defense post for Sheth's wishy washy play, and later pressured me on my terrible play up to that point. His analysis was the reason I made the martyr post. There was no real way for me to defend my play up to the point, and seeing it written up that way I knew I was distracting from catching scum. His analysis is very good, and I hope he gets back from his sports tournament soon because he's an asset to this town. Cephiro is definitely a town read for me.
Sheth endeared himself in my eyes for defending my newb-play in the beginning, and even after my martyr post he still had a town read for me. I'm starting to think that's because he KNOWS I'm town though. Prob's and Jitsu's analysis has definitely cast a black cloud on the nicest guy in esports. He has ghosted on Prob's analysis of Cephiro, basically promising analysis in the morning on someone's that bothered him. Prob posts his Ceph analysis, and then Sheth's like "oh yeah we was mine too." Just seems like he was waiting for someone to post original content so he can ghost it. And the way he has handled the Xeris situation is shady as well.
Sheth is our best case so far, but I'm really holding out hope (albeit a faint one) that Xeris, Gretorp, or AH will talk before the lynch. I will at least do this:
##Unvote: CatsnHats
I'm not going anywhere unless the town or mafia decides it.
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EBWOP: Damn it I posted this before I saw Sheth's post. Let me read it.
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@Prob yeah I do think they are (Blurry too) better scum targets than Sheth. I think we are letting the terrible activity level of half this town make us point the finger at each other.
@Sheth you're exactly right. I'm ghosting on Prob's analysis of you. Gonzaw ghosted on it too and has already put a placeholder vote on you. I REALLY don't like that. He says that your words in your defense could have an effect on changing his mind, but that he won't be around to see it. WHAT IS THAT? This is a really important time in this game. We really need a lynch on mafia. That doesn't sit well with me.
On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Also, your crazy to not think that there is no relation between who you analyse and find scummy and whether or not you are scum. If the person we follow along with the most picks 3 town in a row, theres a solid chance hes mafia. If the person we follow kills 3 mafia in a row, theres a solid chance hes town. I don't know how you can't agree with that.
@Everyone The phrase I bolded is really interesting to me. It seems like the town (including myself) has followed Probulous without much question. He has posted so much many long posts so often that we have written him off as town without thought and reanalysis. Do you think that Probulous is getting by without enough criticism? He's not a D2 lynch target by any means, but do you think that is true? This is NOT FOS, I'm just asking a question.
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On January 08 2012 13:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm staying up till Responsibility ends. (My last game here). So please post while I'm still here Prob! Or Cats!
I don't feel comfortable voting for you Sheth. I think Xeris, Gretorp, AnxiousHippo, and Blurry all have had as much scummy behavior as you, just less activity. I think you are getting targeted because you have a higher quantity of posts, making it easier for you to be quoted/analyzed. My target right now would be Blurry or AnxiousHippo, mainly because they are the most likely to respond at this point. Blurry has made 11 posts overall (an amount big enough to be remembered, but not enough to be picked apart like you), 1post yesterday, which is WIFOM filler
On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:
Okay, my last post for the day:
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious.
and one post today, which was WIFOM filler.
On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
His big analysis post was 1-2 sentences on each player. Not enough content. Thoughts?
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@Jitsu did you just not read this at all?
On January 08 2012 13:44 CatsnHats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 13:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm staying up till Responsibility ends. (My last game here). So please post while I'm still here Prob! Or Cats! I don't feel comfortable voting for you Sheth. I think Xeris, Gretorp, AnxiousHippo, and Blurry all have had as much scummy behavior as you, just less activity. I think you are getting targeted because you have a higher quantity of posts, making it easier for you to be quoted/analyzed. My target right now would be Blurry or AnxiousHippo, mainly because they are the most likely to respond at this point. Blurry has made 11 posts overall (an amount big enough to be remembered, but not enough to be picked apart like you), 1post yesterday, which is WIFOM filler Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:
Okay, my last post for the day:
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious. and one post today, which was WIFOM filler. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. His big analysis post was 1-2 sentences on each player. Not enough content. Thoughts?
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@Sheth You aren't my best read on scum, I said the town had the best case against you because Prob had just made his long analysis post. Then you defended yourself, which I was waiting on, and because of it I'm not comfortable voting for you. I'm still convinced than when Xeris and Gretorp are killed one of them will turn red, and Hippo and Blurry have always been more questionable than you in my eyes. Honestly I would vote for myself with Jitsu and you if it meant keeping you alive, because you are obviously much better at making reads and are a bigger asset to the town than I am.
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EBWOP: Sheth, please answer my post before you go!
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On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 10:21 Probulous wrote:
Blurry, would you vote to lynch Sheth? If not why not? Yes I would, and will. #Vote: Liquid'Sheth As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
Admission of bandwaggoning. You can't claim you were suspicious of him if you didn't post anything. That statement means nothing except "I'm sheeping Prob's content."
On January 08 2012 22:41 Blurry wrote:
EBWOP:
##Vote: Liquid'Sheth
Wrong format.
If he flips something like blue or green however I think we should seriously look into Probulous.
And what is this?I have a feeling you KNOW Sheth is going to flip green, and you are using this knowledge to throw suspicion on Probulous after that happens. And as I said in my other post you've really said nothing but WIFOM filler. You're playing exactly how I think a lurking mafia would play (making posts every once and a while, not committing in analysis, apologizing for not adding content, bandwagoning, etc).
It seems like we are heading for a no-lynch, but I am not voting for Sheth because I think he's town.
##Vote: Blurry
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On January 09 2012 06:55 Cephiro wrote:
Hey everyone! It took me longer to get back than expected, but I am going to post a lot of stuff before the lynch. Should be done in 1-1,5 hours or less, will post each post as I finish it.
In the meanwhile, I am not going to vote for anyone else than Cats or Sheth today. Sheth lynch > Cats lynch > No lynch IMO.
(Also, don't even think I am bandwagoning on Sheth, I would probably have posted my case even before Probulous if I hadn't been busy IRL.)
First I will simply browse through the thread and reply to anything I feel necessary, and then I will re-read everyone's filters and post my analysis.
Ceph you better come through on your promise. And that statement I bolded is BS. That's sheeping and you know it. And why arent't you going to vote for anyone other than me or Sheth, cause you know we're the green targets?
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This is what happens when you go to a sports tournament and leave the thread for 24 hours, you lose all context of the posts because you're only reading filters.
On January 09 2012 07:56 Cephiro wrote:
And why would you compliment my last paragraph? Because it points the finger at you. If I didn't include you, would that make it better than "decent"? Or are you just complimenting it because you think I would let you off the hook?
And this is the time when you randomly start pointing small suspicions against everyone random, hoping to confuse people a bit. Seriously, calling Probu out on that?
I already explained myself on that. I was calling out AH for sheeping Prob's pep-talk. AH was the one who used the word "decent", that's why I quoted it. I quoted Prob's post to show how similar AH's was to it.
And yes AH is still working on his bandwagon analysis...
You also said this about Sheth's post: You temporarily stopped pressure on me to let me relax? Come on, why on earth would a townie do that to his strongest scum-read? And your way of pressuring me again: "He looks so scummy", are you serious? And yet you are saying I should be the lynch target #1.
You misunderstood this too. He said I "looked so scummy," not you. And he was letting the pressure off of ME at first, then putting it back on me with the "scummy" quote. You really need to read these threads/filters more closely.
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EBWOP: and Prob I agree I have little to no influence on this town, but those are blatant mistakes that need to be corrected.
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FUCK. I didn't want to do it, but Sheth told me too.
##Unvote: Blurry
##Vote: Liquid`Sheth
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On January 09 2012 10:00 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
##Unvote: Liquid`Sheth
##Vote: CatsnHats
 Hope this was just so you didn't have to vote for yourself. I plan on going to a MLG this year, I'll make sure I say hello! Thanks for playing Sheth.
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On January 09 2012 10:05 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 10:03 Probulous wrote:Only just, at first I thought it was an attempt to no-lynch but I see now it just meant that he didn't have to vote for himself. I like that  I already got scared for a moment. A no-lynch would have got the mafia a free kill. Now all that remains is to see Sheth flip red.... if he won't I'll be damned.
I have a feeling you're gonna be damned... just sayin'.
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Well fuck I'm dead. Nice work Probulous and Cephiro.
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Holy shit mass town replacement.
@Town: You don't think Sheth would've let Xeris and Gretorp be inactive if they were mafia, do you?
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On January 09 2012 10:46 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 10:37 CatsnHats wrote:
Well fuck I'm dead. Nice work Probulous and Cephiro. What the fuck?
You guys think I'm mafia, especially since I didn't vote for Sheth until the end, but I'm not. That's why I said "Well fuck I'm dead." Since I'm town and we lynched mafia, I said "Nice work Probulous and Cephiro." What isn't there to understand?
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On January 09 2012 11:49 Jitsu wrote:Mafia - Sheth Cats Blurry Next game. 
I agree with you on Blurry (since I voted for him), but I sir am town.
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@bkrow here are my 2 posts on Blurry.
On January 08 2012 13:44 CatsnHats wrote:My target right now would be Blurry or AnxiousHippo, mainly because they are the most likely to respond at this point. Blurry has made 11 posts overall (an amount big enough to be remembered, but not enough to be picked apart like you), 1post yesterday, which is WIFOM filler Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:
Okay, my last post for the day:
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious. and one post today, which was WIFOM filler. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. His big analysis post was 1-2 sentences on each player. Not enough content. Thoughts?
And post #2:
On January 09 2012 07:16 CatsnHats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:On January 08 2012 10:21 Probulous wrote:
Blurry, would you vote to lynch Sheth? If not why not? Yes I would, and will. #Vote: Liquid'Sheth As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it. Admission of bandwaggoning. You can't claim you were suspicious of him if you didn't post anything. That statement means nothing except "I'm sheeping Prob's content." Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 22:41 Blurry wrote:
EBWOP:
##Vote: Liquid'Sheth
Wrong format.
If he flips something like blue or green however I think we should seriously look into Probulous. And what is this?I have a feeling you KNOW Sheth is going to flip green, and you are using this knowledge to throw suspicion on Probulous after that happens. And as I said in my other post you've really said nothing but WIFOM filler. You're playing exactly how I think a lurking mafia would play (making posts every once and a while, not committing in analysis, apologizing for not adding content, bandwagoning, etc). It seems like we are heading for a no-lynch, but I am not voting for Sheth because I think he's town. ##Vote: Blurry
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