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Going to skip reading your Cephiro filter until I can look it over, since you obviously think you have him tagged as most scum. I don't want to be biased from you're post. | ||
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RE: Prob. Accusation - I like the accusation against Cephiro. Before I post my thoughts on him, I want to see his response to you're accusations. I know that this is contradictory to "statement of a statement" hate, but in this situation, it's warranted. @Catsnhats - I think you're scum. First, you start off on the wrong foot by lurking. You're very first post after game start is a post essentially saying "Sorry for not posting, I was reading though!" Second post, Sheth calls you out for being committed to no-lynch policy. Than you back up and reword it saying that you know it's a scum-tell to be committed to a policy lynch. You admitted it. But than you realized you fucked up, and try to backtrack in the same post, throwing suspicion off of you. Read this, and tell me how back it looks. On January 04 2012 11:52 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1. On January 04 2012 12:34 CatsnHats wrote: Thanks CookieMaker for the link. And you're right Sheth, if I am leaning toward no lynch that would be a red flag for scum. But wouldn't emphatically being in favor of a lynch be a red flag for scum too since the odds are in favor of townie being accidentally chosen? Oh God this is gonna be so meta. Than, in the post RIGHT AFTER IT, you try to joke around with the guy putting pressure on you, and than 100% flip from you're original thoughts on no-lynch policy. You say that we need to lynch, because "any information gleaned" is still information. What happened to you're stance of not lynching unless reasonably certain? I think, even though you try to rectify it later, you realized you're mistake too late. You already made the slip, so at that point, you tried to simply recover. On January 05 2012 01:44 CatsnHats wrote: Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me. You take this information and don't do anything with it. You sit there, daring him to respond, but afraid to piss him off. The first two comments are things that YOU DID YOURSELF and yet you accuse another player of it. "Hold on while I try to direct attention away from me." You continue spouting stuff out which really doesn't have that much substance to it. You accuse Tunkeg of being "overaggressive townie." How does that translate into you becoming suspicious to him!? In the same post, you tell him that you will become suspicious of him if he keeps his aggression up. Are you afraid he will change his target to you? Or one of you're mafia friends? After that, you change you're top three scum-reads on two people who haven't even given enough analysis to decide yet. How can you have a scum read on someone who hasn't posted more than a page, let alone more than three total posts? Than you get on CookieMaker. You're first and last choice to lynch are obviously lurker policy kills. Divert that attention, bro. You jump on Gretorp after a few people already did, giving me the impression that you are bandwagon voting. Interesting. Than you keep pressing and pressing Gretorp, hoping and hoping he will post something. It seems like you think you slipped under the radar. You didn't. ##Vote: CatsnHats | ||
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Damn, you're "Big Read" is of a suspected town player. And another suspected town player. Instead of posting who you think the Town players are, why don't you actually give us some reads on who the Scum players are? I think that would be more beneficial in a game where finding Mafia matters. Especially since we're 24 hours in and I don't clearly recall you posting any scum tell. At all. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:10 CatsnHats wrote: @Jitsu You have so much wrong about me I don't know where to start. I waited around 2 hours and 30 posts before I first commented. How is that lurking, especially for it being my first game? Others waited much longer and did not draw your attention. I was the second person to talk about Gretorp, and I was the first to call him out on his response to Tunkeg's prod. And how could I have changed my top 3 scum reads when that was the first time I posted them? Gretorp stayed on the list, Xeris advocated no-lynch, and CM had been very shady (as was explained in the post and echoed by others later). I kept pressing and pressing Gretorp because I stuck to my stance and he hadn't answered yet, but that is explained because he works all day for NASL. I await his response. I appreciate your concern, and like your aggression for me to explain myself. I have a town read for you, and I hope this clarifies things. It doesn't. Now you're sitting here defending yourself instead of finding more mafia before we eventually lynch you. Want the vote to go away? Find someone better for us to kill. Right now, you're just flopping you're arms trying to stay afloat. Allow me to help you by tying a brick to you're ankle. @Prob - You we're just talking about busing. What do you think of Cookie's vote selection. I really find it humorous that the first time Cookie decides to acknowledge me, it's because I've backed him into a corner and he doesn't have a solid way out. Way to prove to yourself that you are town, bro! Now you have to do it to the rest of us, and that shit ain't flying with me. Don't jump on my bandwagon willy-nilly and expect to get away with it. This town is formed on positive reads and analysis. Tell us why you're fellow scum player is scum. | ||
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I has to do with that, but a few other things too. Reread Cat's analysis, and get back to me. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:31 Jitsu wrote: @Prof. I has to do with that, but a few other things too. Reread Cat's analysis, and get back to me. @Prob*. typo. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:37 Probulous wrote: I assume I am the Prof  I had Cats pegged as scum already, nothing he has done has convinced me otherwise. I would be willing to change my vote if Cephiro is not going to get lynched today. But only once he has returned. Agreed, I had my eye on him as well, at least since I felt like it was appropriate to ask him his reads. I think it's important to hear what Cephiro says, but I am not 100% sold on him at the moment, especially with recent developments. That's why I thought it was necessarily to bring up Cats. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:53 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok, because we have two good reads on scum CatsNHats and Cephiro, I'd like to talk about something else until they come back. There is a chance there is a detective. There is a chance there is a medic. If you are the detective, you should NOT choose the person who you think will die during the night. You should pick someone who you'd like to know about and isn't likely to be killed soon, and who would really help town to know about. If you are the medic, you should choose the few people who you think mafia might want dead on this night and WIFOM in between them. However this night you have an advantage, and you might for future nights as well. Mafia isn't sure you exist. The best % they have is that if they have a roleblocker, there's a 50% chance you exist. Because of this, I'd recommend if you exist simply use your ability on who you think is the most townie. Also, if you've found one mafia you should come out in the open and tell us about it. There are other situations where either medic or detective should come out, such as if you know 3 confirmed town and were nearing LYLO. Use your best judgement on those situations. Does everyone agree that if you find a mafia the detective should come out with them? RE: Sheth/DT Reveal I'd be much more content with a DT breadcrumbing evidence and reads/reveals in the thread. That way if he dies, we can go back and look at his filter's to gain insight. Of course, if the DT we're to come up for some reason (mafia claiming they are DT, ect. ect.) than the medic obviously has discovered his core role. | ||
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On January 05 2012 20:22 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! There is plenty of discussion in the mean-time where questions like these waste more logical thought than is required. If you want to WIFOM the proposed blue specials, do it later, but as of right now, there are better things to discuss, especially with the limited time we have left in the day to center our votes on someone. The DT and Medic are both roles that will need to be smart about who they use it for. Why are you even bringing in a Vig/Role Blocker when they aren't even in the game for the Town? I think there is a better question to be asked right now. Cookie subbed out at a bad time for you Tea. I don't think i'm the only one that is suspicious of the role that Cookie was given. Now, onto the second part that caught my eye. The bolded part at the end - the simple "you." I assume the "Abstinence lets scum hide among "you" refers to the town. However, since I was given the role of VT, I would have worded it as "us." Scum slip this early? Not a good start. I still think that if Cats flips red, you will too. But I also think that you're role is red. | ||
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On January 06 2012 02:30 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: Don't you think these could just as easily be newbslips rather then scumslips? 'least, thats the way it looks to me. On the contrary, i find that asking questions such as these provide responses which can be most telling! I know that there isnt a vig or a blocker in the game right now, but those are the standard four questions i tend to ask in mafia games (i usually play closed setups). Its not so much what you'd do with your role, its your reasoning that proves to be interesting. Incidentally, it appears that you think i am asking these questions in order to wine the actual power roles and scums attitude towards them. This is not the case - i am asking because this is a tool i have always found helpful to help hunt scum! As for the part that you bolded - i thought it was clear that the "You" referred to the people who abstained, not town as a whole. It seems you are clutching at straws! Are you asking me to roleclaim? Because i don't want to do that regardless of what my role is. I've always considered Role Claims to be Bad (with a capital B!) and only to be used as a last resort. I'm nowhere near my last resort yet. After all, i just started playing! I understand that CM has left me in a bit of a poor spot...i'd like to remind you that Newbs often make slips that look scummy but are in fact newbslips. Too many times i've mislynched newbs for these slips! I'd further like to ask that you judge me on the posts that i make if possible (the quantity of which will hopefully rise soon). Whilst i of course understand that this slot wasn't played solely by me, its rather more difficult to defend CM then it is to defend myself, because i dont know what drove his actions, yknow? As for my reads...i'm getting a couple of light ones right now, but i'd rather do it justice and make one Big post (like my Mechanics post) so that i can both collect all my reads in one place and give ample reasoning behind them. I intend to sit down for an hour or so to do this properly later on tonight when i can have an unbroken hour of just mafia. I'll prolly end up writing a couple of paragraphs on each player stating what i think of em. Where did I suggest you role claim? If you view it as such a bad idea, why would you even bring that notion up? Really? It's rather hard to judge you based on you're posts now when we all have our own reads on players now. Just because you came in and subbed out doesn't mean you're role changed, similar to how if I subbed out now, people should still view my replacement as if it was me. Instead of telling us to disregard everything that was posted in you're capacity, come up with reasons now why we should disregard previous play. RE: Gonzaw - It's a scum slip that I said the proposed blue roles, and that DT and Medic need to be smart on who to activate their specials on. I think you're reading way too far into it. I'll say it again, as well as reiterate what has been said many times prior; talking about Blue roles at this point is stupid. We have no reason to even bring it up since this is lynch day, and we don't even know if they are in the game, as you said. RE: Sheth/Votes - Before I even decide to switch my vote to Cephiro, I want to see his response to the accusation post by Probu. That being said, I will have to re-read his entire filter again and make a judgement, but a lot of things Cephiro said early was pretty damning. I have a question Sheth - earlier, you went to sleep teasing us with a post about some posts that were worrying you. The next day, you let us down by not giving us the post you said you were going to because the person under suspicion (Cephiro) came out with a [not very strong] analysis of every player in the game at the time, pretty much saying everyone was town and no one was really scummy. Than you came out and in the next post in the thread, jump on the Cephiro bandwagon, and start trying to get others to jump on it too. Sheth, I've played two (including this game) games with you, but I do know you like to play logically. Can you post you're original feelings about Cephiro, and than how you're thoughts transformed throughout the game from newb null read to scum read? What do you have to say to Cephiro if he said you were slightly neutral to scum? Are you town, Sheth? @Cephiro - Along with you're defense, I have something to add as well. There are a lot of times early in the game where you are pushing the idea that you are town. A lot of what you said seems forced to me. Also, there is a point where you are jumping back and forth between a miss-lynch and no-lynch policy. Reading that from a scum point of view, it's almost like you are trying to put the idea back into the idea of the town. What do you think of Sheth at this time, and why? | ||
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And you are telling me to stop talking about blue roles when i've said twice now that it's pointless to talk about them. | ||
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To be honest, i'm not 100% sold on Cephiro being Scum right now. I feel more along the lines that he is a newb town and doesn't really know how to play, and thinks the game is more of a mathematical equation than a game of psychology. That being said, he is no where near being off the lynch post yet. I feel the smarter lynch right now is AKCT. Not because of everything he said (I truly believe that his post earlier had a scum slip) but because of my thoughts on interaction between Cats and Cookie. A lot of things Cookie said early was scummy to me, especially when I called him out about the no-lynch, and my gut level reactions have gone down on him since. He's bottom three on my tells (Top to Bottom, top being most town, bottom being most scum). ##vote A Killer Cuppa Tea | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:25 CatsnHats wrote: @Cephiro I was about to ask you to change your vote to Tea, but you did it before I could finish. Tea/CM was on my scum list the whole time (check my filter), so I'm fine with lynching him instead of a no-lynch D1. ##vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea This nowhere near exonerates you. You lurk until a vote swing changes, than you come up and vote. My vote right now is staying where I just casted it. You say he's been on you're scum list, and we should check you're filter. According to you're filter, you have scum reads on Gretorp, Myself, Sheth, Probu, Xeris, and Cookie. That's a lot of mafia in a 12 player game. Regardless, you have 72 hours after the lynch to find a better target. And I have 72 hours to find you a deeper hole. | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote: I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea ##Unvote: Xeris ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea Pretty ironic that you haven't been able to read up on anything because you have been so busy, yet you know that he goes by the name "Tea" even though that post was a few pages back. | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:41 CatsnHats wrote: You (Jitsu), Sheth, and Probu weren't on my scum reads, you put those in my mouth. Take those 3 away, and what do you have? Gretorp, Xeris, and Cookie. That's 3! How many mafia are there? THREE. On January 05 2012 14:45 CatsnHats wrote: For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there. | ||
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I think that's it for me for the night. Final thoughts. I think that AKCT could have defended himself (a little bit). RE: Next day lynch - We have 72 hours now. My reads are going to focus hard on Catsnhats, at least right now. I still have this overriding feeling that he was scum, but I didn't think if anyone was convinced 30 minutes before lynch, I wouldn't have been able to change anyone's mind anyway. I urge everyone now - go back into Filter's, everyones, and organize you're data. Find you're top three people you think we should be focusing on, and WHY. Shit, I can't stress that enough. If you have no way to back you're claims up - it doesn't matter. RE: Hippo - I think you are playing pretty anti-town right now. Clean your shit up. If you are indeed town, contribute. I'll reiterate, you say that you weren't in the forum, and you weren't caught up, so you couldn't make a mindful judgement, but you call someone by a nickname they said that they are referred as pages prior? Please. You were following the thread the whole time. I know it. You know it. RE: Gretorp/Xeris Post more. You're post count is shit compared to the other players contributing. How are we supposed to root out scummy play when at least three people in the game doing even comment OR VOTE? Gretorp, you said you were be on at least once to post some analysis. Where is it? Get it together - Sheth's credibility is on the line, at least for this game it is. RE: Xeris - You know and have played with Sheth before. On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. So, since you're lurking and in danger of being mod killed, we can assume you're automatically mafia than, am I right? RE: Probu - Do me a favor. Go back and read over Gretorp's filter. I want you to really analyze what he's saying. You are my strongest town read at the moment. Just check over his filter and let me know. I think he's town. Want you're opinion. Bed time. | ||
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On January 06 2012 11:32 CatsnHats wrote: Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted. This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record. ##Vote: CatsnHats For the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below: Sheth, what do you think of this post? | ||
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