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layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

January 14 2012 22:11 GMT

#1801

can't a guy watch starcraft without missing the lynch?

what now?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 22:18 GMT

#1802

Looks like the only thing the demons concealed was which angel RoL was. I'll repeat the advice of others as well: HoD needs to get purgatoried.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 14 2012 22:18 GMT

#1803

I haven't reread filters, but currently I'm still liking HoD/RoL/Zephirdd as the angel team and Grackaroni and/or Tyrran as demon(s) and then one or two others. If HoD/RoL both flip angel, which should be clear by the end of tomorrow, there's a high chance of Zephirdd being the third and not just because his strange behaviour before the lynch.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 14 2012 22:22 GMT

#1804

Wait I can't count, one demon is dead so obviously not two others

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

January 14 2012 22:23 GMT

#1805

RoL is scum but I don't understand why everybody assumes Angel over demon. is it because of the way he's been interacting with HoD?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 14 2012 22:26 GMT

#1806

Well that channeler claim certainly makes more sense for an angel, but yes that is one of the reasons

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

January 14 2012 22:30 GMT

#1807

On January 15 2012 07:18 syllogism wrote:
I haven't reread filters, but currently I'm still liking HoD/RoL/Zephirdd as the angel team and Grackaroni and/or Tyrran as demon(s) and then one or two others. If HoD/RoL both flip angel, which should be clear by the end of tomorrow, there's a high chance of Zephirdd being the third and not just because his strange behaviour before the lynch.

Let me guess. I've been focusing Demons over Angels? Like, that I looked for the one real connection with a scum that flipped?

Tell me smart boy, what happens when HoD is at the purgatory and a "???" flip occurs? Am I still your third Angel?

Since it's night, I invite any corrupted town, Seer or Demon Hunter to waste their actions on me and receive the expected result from a VT: "Not Dark", "Not Angel" and a kill, respectively.

Yes, I am claiming VT, like it made a difference anyways.

inb4 "That's exactly what a scum that has no options left would do"

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 14 2012 22:32 GMT

#1808

Fine, a dumb townie then but certainly the situation will be re-evaluated tomorrow

Bluelightz

Indonesia2463 Posts

January 14 2012 23:24 GMT

#1809

Hmm, sorry I didn't vote I was asleep

Anyway, I'm going to reevaluate the thread later once I get back from Church

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

January 14 2012 23:38 GMT

#1810

On January 15 2012 08:24 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, sorry I didn't vote I was asleep

Anyway, I'm going to reevaluate the thread later once I get back from Church

Don't worry BL your play has been so good an active this game I give you rain check

Tyrran

France777 Posts

January 14 2012 23:57 GMT

#1811

On January 15 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not really sure why demons would conceal that. We'll know if he was the channneller or not tonight.

If RoL really was an angel, him claiming Channeler would probably mean that tey knew no one would counter claim, i.e MrWiggle was the real town channeler. I wouldnt expect any banishment tonight :/

This really sucks for us because it means we have no way of defending ourself against the AoD.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

January 15 2012 00:03 GMT

#1812

Why didn't RoL flip? What am I missing here?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 15 2012 00:03 GMT

#1813

Then he would have claimed way earlier, please think. Or is this a really bad attempt of a demon trying to get townie cred by pretending not to know what he fllipped

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 15 2012 00:03 GMT

#1814

Jackal58: demons can conceal a lynch flip once per game

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

January 15 2012 00:29 GMT

#1815

Thanks Syllo, I found it. Zona shouldn't call him the concealer. He should be called the WIFOM generator.

Refallen

452 Posts

January 15 2012 01:06 GMT

#1816

I'm awake.
Meh, so concealer used his power. Good thing we didn't lynch HoD.

I think DH should attack Spaackle tonight.

Refallen

452 Posts

January 15 2012 01:17 GMT

#1817

layabout can you explain why you could only vote in the hour?

HarbingerOfDoom

United States508 Posts

January 15 2012 01:57 GMT

#1818

Grackaroni is 100% not a demon. If you need to lynch me tomorrow to prove it, then so be it.

HarbingerOfDoom

United States508 Posts

January 15 2012 02:20 GMT

#1819

On January 14 2012 19:23 syllogism wrote:
Wiggles warned about trusting breadcrumbing and posted this on n2

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I think he investigated RoL on n1 and got not-demon

Syllo...why in the hell would he want the demon hunter to hit someone he got not-demon on? Wouldn't he prefer the seer over someone that will kill the person if he is wrong on his scum-read? I know I sure as hell don't want Grackaroni getting stabbed by the demon hunter. And why would he say this if he knows he has a 0% chance of flipping demon?

It also solves the problem of having to convince people to lynch him if he flips demon

I have no idea how you think this is him breadcrumbing a not-demon check.

Bluelightz

Indonesia2463 Posts

January 15 2012 07:13 GMT

#1820

Okay,

List Of Reads kgo!

1.Blazinghand (Leaning Town)

His post's contain one liners and holy 19 pages of it but it also it contains pressure on some people.

2.Dirkzor (Suspicious)

I'm suspicious particularly in this post

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:

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So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.

Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage}

3.Grack (Leaning Town)

HoD said that grack was not angel, but what if he is a demon?. He has been sheeping but, how he post's make me lean town.

4.HoD (Leaning Town)

HoD claimed, and also how he has been posting.

5.Jackal58 (Leaning Scum/)

He has been posting 3 pages worth of one-liners but he has been pressuring many people.

6.layabout (Leaning town)

In student mafia, he was aggresive and here he is also so, I am leaning town on him.

7.Refallen (Null/Leaning Town)

He post's Lot's of one liner's but has contributed alot to the discussion so I'm leaning town on Refallen
8.Syllogism (Leaning Town)

He has done lots of scumhunting, and pressuring people so Leaning Town

9.Tyrran (Leaning Town/Scum)

He has been lurking Hard! He has been Contributing though so Town.

10.Spaackle (Leaning Scum)

On January 14 2012 01:01 Bluelightz wrote:

First,

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Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points

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Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum

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"People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!"

so basically sheeping

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On January 11 2012 15:51 Spaackle wrote:
So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff. He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions. He also contradicts himself a few times.

Posts that really stand out to me:

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What makes you think that angels will want to target the blues ? They are pretty much immune to blues, appart from the seer which will be desintegrated by the Angel of Death if he ever claim ( or i guess you could banish him, but then he would be pretty useless). So angel will just randomly shoot into townies, who knows, they migth even get a lucky shot on a demon, they migth also kill townies with dark power if they are not banished.

Secondly you suppose that Demons are going to want to use their banish defensively. If they want to do this, then Demons will just banish the Demon Hunter ( which will NEVER EVER be targeted by angels, because he basically works for them). If they have corrupted someone, they can also banish the sage, and just enjoy they extra vote ! They are not going to banish someone in order to 'protect' him.

Your plan gives HUGE information to both scum faction, and town actually gains very little from it. I dont like it. I think it favors Demons way too much ( because they can protect themself way more easely using their power knowing who the blues are), it also helps angels a bit ( they can kill the seer, they do not risk killing the demon hunter by mistake). But town is definitively the big loser in your plan.

And

Okay, i misread and missed the color only claim part. My bad, gotta go back some new googles.

Your plan is therefore much better than i initially thougth. I still have an issue with how you are going to deal with corruption. Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. On one hand you say that corrupted town should claim, but on the other hand you also advise multiple claim. What does town gain form multiple corruption claim ? While i agree that this migth confuse scum, If the angels are in doubt on how to get rid of corrupted townies, how are we going to know how to deal with it ?

These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other. Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan. However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore. To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part. He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next. There's Also this bit:

Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too.

By we, does Tyrran mean town? Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about?

This post caught my eye too:

Well I dont see how this could have gone better :D. One demon dead ( GJ DemonHunter or Angel Acolyte, whoever got him) and no unrevealed death. Perfect N1 for town. Here are some initial thought about what happened N1 :

On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.

Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you.

The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability:

AoD targeted Syllo. This is unlikely. It was clear in the thread that the banish was going to be used defensively, and Syllogism was one of the most obvious target. I' not sure why angels would target him other than them being bad.

AoD targeted HarbingerOfDoom. This is a possibility. I'm not sure why they would choose him over BH, Wiggles, layabout tho

Syllo is the AoD. This is unlikely, he has been very active for town during day 1. Yet, we cannot ignore this possibility. I dont want him lynched today, but if he is banished again N2, and once again the AoD do not kill, then we will have to consider him as a lynch.

HoD is the AoD. This is a possibility too, but i'm not sure about it. I'll try to find some time to read his filter today.

Questions to discuss day 2 :

What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD?

With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it?

this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum. He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities. His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened. Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game.

Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself?

Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious.

He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL.

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On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote:
@Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.

The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.

Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL.

On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.

On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote:
@BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me.

With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk?

Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason)

Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now.

11.Zephirrd

With his VT claim I believe him for now.

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