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On January 14 2012 18:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 18:17 Tyrran wrote:
Okay so it seems i was wrong about HoD. I'm going to unvote him . Unless someone counter claims which is extremely unlikely due to breadcrumbs. Anyone who thinks that breadcrumbs are a reasonable explanation or support for a claim needs to spend some more time thinking. A good scum player breadcrumbs every blue role during the start of the game, then points them out if he wants to claim. This should be obvious. The real question we should be asking is: Where did HoD breadcrumb his investigative results in the event of being shot by the acolyte?
Read the OP. The acolyte can't kill me.
Investigation result:
On January 14 2012 07:26 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Grackaroni is also less likely scum than I previously thought, I reread his filter and looked through his filters from his previous games and overall he seems ok. Don't have time to explain more now, but wanted to at least say that before I had to leave for like 5 hours or so. (Although I did reread his filter as well)
And yes, clearly I breadcrumbed sage before killing wiggles with no way of knowing what his role would be, and then just so happened to get super lucky and killed the sage and that is why there is no counter-claim. Makes perfect sense. And it also makes perfect sense that you found scum with 2 teammates alive and yet you were nearly able to lynch me in a mere 6 hours with the help of people like Zephirrd, who, 6 hours prior to voting for me, said this:
I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter. Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.
@Syllo
I put barely any effort into my defense because I had about 45 minutes during which time I also had to get shit ready to head back out.
Alright, Harbingerofdoom's only scum read in the last few days has been Tyrran and now he isn't so sure any more. He doesn't think blazing is scum. Probably not Grackaroni. RoL? Nope. Cwave? Err, no HoD didn't really say that either, though apparently he was one of the people he would have lynched over risk. Spaackle? He dislikes "the look of spaackle", asks him a question and doesn't follow up. No scum anywhere apparently I mostly work by process of elimination. And the list of people I cast suspicion on included much of the same reads as the list you made shortly after. Clearly I came up with largely the same reads by doing no scum-hunting whatsoever. Tyrran finally bothered to defend himself, Cwave died and flipped green, and Grackaroni I investigated and got not-demon. So yeah, that obviously changed some shit. Feel free to count all the people I list as scum up through the end of day 3 in election mafia btw.
But, since it seems like you really want it, 5 scum remain, I will post my bottom 6:
Zephirdd
xsksc replaced by Spaackle
layabout
Bluelightz
Jackal58
RebirthOfLeGenD
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Vote for RoL then and we will jail you tonight
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As you wish *tips hat*
Do you want me to vote now, or wait?
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In 3-4 hours is fine. If you aren't here to vote, we will just lynch you instead.
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(Oh, and to clarify, the Zephirdd, spaackle, layabout part is ordered scummiest -> least, the other 3 are fairly interchangeable, but all better than those 3 in my eyes, I move people around on my list fairly frequently, usually only the top townie portion is stable)
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Also I see you still aren't either reading the thread or just cherry picking things. I explained why breadcrumbing sage is pretty much the only possibility.
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And you just cherry picked half of a sentence, good job.
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I did not and we've a reason to believe that Wiggles was the sage. Are you going to spend your time today posting analysis or are you going to be really busy again?
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On January 15 2012 00:47 Grackaroni wrote:
There's a reason why the entire town disagreed with you're plan. . . it's bad.
If all scum players simply claim VT then you get a trade off of having a confirmed voting block of 4 blue roles in exchange for them risking being shot or roleblocked which basically gets rid of their roles.
The execution was also very bad. The chance of a townie in this game lying to protect themselves or take a shot seems pretty likely to me.
All you're plan did was waste people's time and cause a couple of people to claim VT, which is bad for town.
You''re not helping by tunneling on BH, if you're extremely confident that he is scum than you can continue to push him but it doesn't mean that you should ignore everyone else. Surely there are other people in this game acting scummy besides BH, but you haven't bothered to push them.
When you can't kill more than one scum at a time, why would you reveal more than one at a time?
In regards to my plan, you are dumb, but I am not going into detail about this anymore.
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On January 15 2012 00:07 layabout wrote:
when do you think you could post something substantial by?
we have like 10 hours..
I'm at work now, I can't post anything substantial until I get back, I only have a half hour break.
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Now that you are here RoL, please move your vote to HoD
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On January 15 2012 03:50 syllogism wrote:
I did not and we've a reason to believe that Wiggles was the sage. Are you going to spend your time today posting analysis or are you going to be really busy again?
Look, Thursday of last week I went to a Bruin's game, my work won a new contract on Friday of last week and my girlfriend's birthday was on Tuesday of this week. We went out Tuesday, and attended dinner parties last night and on Sunday, her birthday party was Saturday, and I met up with a friend for dinner on Thursday, so yes, I have been a bit absent. I honestly don't give a fuck if you think that makes me scum. That being said, I only have about an hour before I have to head out to do grocery shopping and such. I'll do what I can and then vote RoL for you before I leave.
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On January 15 2012 04:00 syllogism wrote:
Now that you are here RoL, please move your vote to HoD
Fine, and yes, tomorrow you will get more from me. Significantly more. If you want, I can post all my suspects tomorrow but it doesn't make much sense when we can only lynch one at a time, but I will get around to it. I work all weak between the hours of 12-6 roughly, but around those times I will work in more analysis.
HoD, your claim seems of desperation and as I pointed out the correlation between you and BH and him not mentioning you at all for the last 3 pages of his filter don't sit right. That, and I know you are a better lynch than me.
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to elaborate, if I post all my suspects and am right on them, then they will be more cautious in posting so we will gain less information from their interaction. IE: If I accuse A, B, C, D. Push A, while A/D are scum buddies, D will be careful about what he writes in regards to A because D knows I am looking for a more evidence against him.
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Thanks RoL, I know we can count on you to deliver
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On January 15 2012 03:39 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 18:34 Blazinghand wrote:On January 14 2012 18:17 Tyrran wrote:
Okay so it seems i was wrong about HoD. I'm going to unvote him . Unless someone counter claims which is extremely unlikely due to breadcrumbs. Anyone who thinks that breadcrumbs are a reasonable explanation or support for a claim needs to spend some more time thinking. A good scum player breadcrumbs every blue role during the start of the game, then points them out if he wants to claim. This should be obvious. The real question we should be asking is: Where did HoD breadcrumb his investigative results in the event of being shot by the acolyte? Read the OP. The acolyte can't kill me. Investigation result: Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:26 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Grackaroni is also less likely scum than I previously thought, I reread his filter and looked through his filters from his previous games and overall he seems ok. Don't have time to explain more now, but wanted to at least say that before I had to leave for like 5 hours or so. (Although I did reread his filter as well) And yes, clearly I breadcrumbed sage before killing wiggles with no way of knowing what his role would be, and then just so happened to get super lucky and killed the sage and that is why there is no counter-claim. Makes perfect sense. And it also makes perfect sense that you found scum with 2 teammates alive and yet you were nearly able to lynch me in a mere 6 hours with the help of people like Zephirrd, who, 6 hours prior to voting for me, said this: Show nested quote +I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter. Yeah, that's not suspicious at all. @Syllo I put barely any effort into my defense because I had about 45 minutes during which time I also had to get shit ready to head back out. Show nested quote +Alright, Harbingerofdoom's only scum read in the last few days has been Tyrran and now he isn't so sure any more. He doesn't think blazing is scum. Probably not Grackaroni. RoL? Nope. Cwave? Err, no HoD didn't really say that either, though apparently he was one of the people he would have lynched over risk. Spaackle? He dislikes "the look of spaackle", asks him a question and doesn't follow up. No scum anywhere apparently I mostly work by process of elimination. And the list of people I cast suspicion on included much of the same reads as the list you made shortly after. Clearly I came up with largely the same reads by doing no scum-hunting whatsoever. Tyrran finally bothered to defend himself, Cwave died and flipped green, and Grackaroni I investigated and got not-demon. So yeah, that obviously changed some shit. Feel free to count all the people I list as scum up through the end of day 3 in election mafia btw. But, since it seems like you really want it, 5 scum remain, I will post my bottom 6: Zephirdd xsksc replaced by Spaackle layabout Bluelightz Jackal58 RebirthOfLeGenD
Oh hai, I think I've said that I trust vets more than myself(aka syllo), and I was the first one to unvote you after your claim as well as yelling to people to not hammer you down. If you think that makes me scum, you crazy. Thanks for the attention though, I've been feeling like I'm not in this game.
You being mad at being sent to purgatory as well as me failing to find breadcrumbs for other PRs makes me think you can't be scum. My reasons to vote you were A) syllo(who I believe to be town) is pushing you hard which means he may have seen something I havent and B) The night actions thing sorta make sense.
But there is the high possibility that the AoD attacked syllo n1 to explain the actions that occured, for example. I see no counterclaim either.
~Moving on
On January 14 2012 15:39 Spaackle wrote:
So I'm gone doing stuff for a while, and when I come back, I'm suddenly one of the "primary targets" for lynch?
What?
I'll admit I have been gone for most of the day: I had a few things that came up, and I ended up staying a few hours longer than I had ex
On January 14 2012 15:45 Spaackle wrote:
EBWOP: expected because we ran into a few problems. All of this was completely outside of my control.
Lynching me will be just as good for the town as was lynching Erandorr and risk. While I may not be as active as I could be, lynching me is still a mislynch.
HoDs claim is interesting. Everyone should back their votes off him and focus on a much safer lynch, like RoL. However, leaving breadcrumbs like that is still something that a scum could do, and fall back on if it looks like he'd be lynched. But this is too much WIFOM for right now. Let's just play it safe and back off.
BAHAHAHAHA waaaaay to overreact when you ignored most of my (bad) attacks earlier. Suddenly when I start making sense you think you are a PRIMARY target after all the HoD/RoL bullshit?
Care to at very least provide something exact, something to which you will commit into? Why are you so wishy-washy? Why did you overreact, did I make you mad scum?
My vote stands. C'mon Spaackle, you are not looking good.
If you don't know who to vote, vote Spaackle. What bugs me the most is how easy it was to nearly lynch HoD/RoL but how hard it is for people to look at Spaackle.
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Anyway, Zephirrd:
On January 14 2012 03:53 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:20 layabout wrote:On January 13 2012 11:10 Zephirdd wrote:On January 13 2012 11:04 Refallen wrote:
That's retarded. After syllo posted his "I want to die", channeled should have taken the hint and roleblocked harbringer instead. Or maybe he had the same logic as me? At least this now confirms syllo as town. MrWiggles was town as well; He couldn't possibly be Demon(see his Palmar case). We just won't know if he was a blue or not. TBH that was a poor decision by the AoD, unless he had actually found an Angel and was ready to push him. His last actions were attacking RoL. Apply Occam's Razor(The correct solution is usually the simplest one), ##Vote RoL What is poor about the decision to kill and experienced player that had already caught 1 scum this game? I just think it's a waste of game mechanics; Killing someone who people didn't knew would create a bigger confusion, as in "we don't know how many demons live". MrWiggles was obviously not a Demon, so it is kind of a waste of a mechanic. Granted, we don't know if he was a blue, but I don't think it matters as much at this point. I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter.RoL still looks like the best lynch, but we'll see what happens. HoD is not scum
No wait, scum. Because I've been 'invisible'?:
On January 14 2012 10:04 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:49 syllogism wrote:
Zephirdd where did you disappear? Are you willing to vote for HoD? I'll rather have this conversation now than right before deadline tomorrow. I'm playing billiards with a couple of friends atm, finding some time to post in between. If you care, I'm crushing them hard. HoD has been basically invisible this game; nothing about him, besides the jailing, stands out. However, it makes a lot of sense that AoD would target you. HOWEVER, being "invisible" is usually a scum trait. So yeah, I'm willing to vote him; I really want to see his response though I've said it before, and I'll say it again though. Take a good look at Spaackle's posting, now and in the future. Also lol @ layabout being serious about that scum flip probability. How you apply math on something so inexact, I have no idea. ~>Voting HoD as of now
J/K, not scum:
On January 14 2012 13:51 Zephirdd wrote:
Unvoting HoD for the following reasons
A) Less chance of ninja scum hammering
B) I want to hear other people's(esp. syllo) thoughts on this
C) I fail to understand why is it so hard to believe that the AoD targeted syllo night 1, instead of HoD=AoD
I'm sleepy atm, so I'll brb tomorrow. Mb I should leave my vote back on Spaackle. Actually, yeah, I'll do that.
'night Time elapsed: 10 hours
On January 10 2012 02:27 Zephirdd wrote:
Yes, I know I am on that list as well, but that's just because I was this close to sucking him yesterday after his case. That was due to the XLVIII fiasco and I told myself "listen to veterans you know". I swear I'd probably end up helping demons this game, had Palmar not died. Uh huh...
On January 11 2012 03:24 Zephirdd wrote:
Syllogism, sir Lynch leader, please explain this situation. Anyone else is also invited to do so. Passing some responsibility.
On January 14 2012 09:23 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me be clear tho; I don't like to create new cases even though I'm willing to take responsibility for it. Reason is simple: 100% of cases I have made by myself were wrong. AKA. I don't trust myself. Hey guys, don't blame me if I am wrong, I'm always wrong!
He is clearly avoiding blame for any of the lynches, and he went from stating I am not scum to voting for me as soon as my lynch started gaining some traction. Then, immediately unvotes with my claim and again implies he thinks it is likely I am not the angel of death. Nothing very town-like about that.
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No one is voting for spaackle and you better be around to change your vote to whoever we consider the best lynch in a few hours. Encouraging random people to vote for a person with 1 when we've 5 hours until lynch and a no-lynch is a possibility is very poor play or suspicious.
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##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
Gotta go meet up with my gf to run errands now, not sure when I will be back.
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Zephirdd being the third angel actually makes some sense based on a quick filter check. Thanks for the help you two.
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