My statement dosen't have anything to do with how likely the claim is being true. I don't want to lynch anyone who roleclaims until the concealer dies.

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January 14 2012 11:57 GMT

#1702

Yes, there are situations where lynching a role-claimer is correct, an example of which is if RoL suddenly pops up right now and roleclaims something, I am totally fine with lynching him. I guess I shouldn't put it in such an extreme way, but right now I'm very sure lynching RoL and jailing HoD is miles better than the other way round. (I actually do agree with you on all points, including that they are most likely angels)

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January 14 2012 13:47 GMT

#1706

Yes, do it

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January 15 2012 01:06 GMT

#1816

I'm awake.
Meh, so concealer used his power. Good thing we didn't lynch HoD.

I think DH should attack Spaackle tonight.

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January 15 2012 01:17 GMT

#1817

layabout can you explain why you could only vote in the hour?

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January 15 2012 11:27 GMT

#1826

On January 15 2012 19:38 syllogism wrote:
HoD: I don't know why you bother arguing about your role as if you aren't the AoD, you will be cleared by the day post. You keep making excuses for your activity and still find yourself unable to call anyone scum. Are you going to be busy tonight? Can we expect you to make some real cases in which you actually reach a conclusion? You know something like this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12135649

Syllo do you agree that even if AoD kills tonight, HoD is still suspicious as hell? Though I might want to lynch Tyrran/Spaackle tomorrow instead.

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January 15 2012 23:30 GMT

#1867

You know, I apologize if it seems like I'm not putting any effort into the game. I actually check this thread every 10-20 minutes when I'm awake. Perhaps it seems I am inactive because I'm asleep during the time where everyone is posting, and that's frustrating tome too.

Right now, I find many people suspicious, and it's kind of frustrating for me. Spaackle/Bluelightz/Dirkzor/Tyrran seem to me to be all good targets for a lynch or a night hit.

I'll focus on Dirkzor for this post though.

-> Goes ballistic at syllo after the Erandorr switch

I'm looking through Cwave's filter.

He looks fishy. Not only for saying he thinks i'm scum several times with the only reasoning is a weak ass "case" about my first post and because It found a difference in the OP and Zbot vote count post. But more so because he havent said anything else the entire first day. He have spend the entire day 1 pointing out the obvious:
RoL arent posting,
Jackal have done nothing but hate palmar (But i must admit i found his post on Jackal amusing =))

He haven't taken a stance on anything and voted Erandorr with the reason that he is lurking.

I'll keep an eye on him...

Cwave was town, but whatever, this dosen't say much, many people thought Cwave was scummy.

See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...

This is a really scummy statement to make.

Hokay. Finally something i can actually respond to. Why would I defend palmar if we are on the same team? Especially when several people already want to lynch him. The chance for palmar to get lynched are relativly high as I see it, so if he flips scum and i defended him I could just aswell have voted to lynch myself.

I'm very unsure about palmar at the moment and i have yet to see a case which is not "This is not Town palmar". Besides that there aren't really anything against him. I don't know the meta on you guys so i have no clue. Thats why i asked syllo a few times about his opinion on palmar.

What does strike me about palmar is that he shifted gear mid day 1. He posted a lot more and became more agressive after being called out on not doing exactly that. The case wiggles made kinda fell a part because wiggles lied (intentionally or not, that was one of the few parts that were not meta).

Which leaves me with a null read on palmar.

And i don't see how my argument against syllo is stupid. If he knows him aswell as he saids then there are 2 possibilities if Palmar flip town:
1) Syllo don't know him as well as he thought
2) Syllo lied and he is scum.

Tries to defend Palmar, and yet adds a disclaimer that he wouldn't defend Palmar if they were on the same scum team. What townie does that?

I think RoL is a stupid lynch. I think it was syllo who wrote that you have to consider why a person suggest a plan. I honestly believe that RoL think it is a good plan and that is why he is fighting for it so much. The plan is well thought out and well delivered. RoL seems to think the blues are dispossable for 4 confirmed townies leaving us with a 5/13 scum scenario instead of 5/17. I disagree and would rather go 5/17 with blue support.

From this

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

To this, when it is clear that everyone was hopping on the RoL/HoD bandwagon.

Yup, I think he might be RoL's teammate.

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January 16 2012 07:46 GMT

#1890

Well, Spaackle was VT, fuck that.

To those saying RoL was the channeler, he wasn't. The key thing that disproves this is his vanilla townie claim when he was proposing his plan, which, if he was channeler, he would never do. So obviously, this leaves the channeler to be Mr Wiggles. RoL was an angel.

With that said, right now, HoD is probably sage. Which means layabout should be our lynch target today, because why the hell would demons twist him? That is, of course, unless there is a counterclaim by someone on sage, but right now, we should lynch layabout.

The problem with this is layabout's soft claim that he was corrupted, and this is why I'm not 100% certain of lynching layabout right now. I believe the best course of option is, if layabout isn't corrupted townie, for the real corrupted townie to claim now.

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January 16 2012 09:42 GMT

#1892

The fuck?

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January 16 2012 09:44 GMT

#1895

What?

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January 16 2012 09:56 GMT

#1899

On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:
Current Vote Count:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch.

With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Current votes:

HarbingerOfDoom (3): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout

RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, ~~Zephirdd~~, Blazinghand, -Zephirdd

Spaackle (1): Zephirdd

Bluelightz (1): Jackal58

Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD

The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 1:48:45 from now.)

Vote HarbingerOfDoom

Votes first, apparently, then quotes in the thread, where in previous days he's always voting through his posts.

if that is all you have to say then
vote Grackaroni

Conclusion:
risk.nuke's play does not math the town risk.nuke you may have come to know and love. He was willing to offer thoughts at the start when doing so was not useful and when it was easy for scum to do so. He has made excuses and promised content. He has yet to deliver that content. He has not been aggressive in calling people out as he has previuosly and has criticised syllogism for calling him out. He avoided has provided a very fluffy answer to HoD's question. He has contradicted his own declarations of good town play. He has avoided making any serious contributions now that we actuaaly have to decide who we are lynching. He has not made an effort to defend himself, but has called everybody voting for him scum.

Vote risk.nuke

^^ This is how he voted on previous days

On January 14 2012 22:52 layabout wrote:
I will vote just before 8:00 KST.
You will know why.

^ Then he says this.

And misses the lynch. Gives the reason for this as "not wanting to ruin town atmosphere"

sounds like a soft claim to me.

So what I want to know is, if he really was the corrupted townie or if there is someone else out there. Do you not agree that if he wasn't the corrupted townie, and HoD claiming he was twisted, that demons would hardly have reason to be twisting layabout? Do you not agree, that wiggles was much more likely to be the fucking channeler than fucking RoL? And if that's the case, would HoD's sage claim not gain some credibility, seeing as there is no counterclaim?

What the fuck is this? Yes, RoL was probably a fucking angel. Not the AoD obviously, and since there's a pretty damn good chance the acolyte is dead I rather the ctownie claim now so we have a clear target in the form of layabout.

That's what I think.

But before that, we can ask ourselves first if demons have any motivation to twist layabout if he wasn't a demon. I'll ask that to you, what do you think?

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January 16 2012 10:11 GMT

#1904

You're annoying but you're not scum. But why are you voting for layabout when you said, and I think I can agree with that argument, that demons are just trolling us with the twist? Also, I am completely opposed to the theory that RoL is the channeler because of how he claimed townie in his plan of his. Can you imagine if town actually adopted the plan, then all of a sudden he's like "oh sorry guys, I'm actually a blue, carry on". Whole plan would fall through definitely. There is no townie justification for such a blatant lie. Much more likely that wiggles was channeler.

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January 16 2012 10:19 GMT

#1908

Definitely demon, if I have to choose between the two. He WAS defending Palmar and going after Wiggles (culminating with him "being fine with an Erandorr lynch) day 1, and then risk.nuke day 2, definitely not a good track record to go with. Still, it's also possible that he's just a townie with wrong reads. He has been posting a lot and pretty openly.

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January 16 2012 10:25 GMT

#1912

I'm not sure. I was pretty sure Cwave and Spaackle were scum, and they both flipped VT...

Well, Grackaroni might very well be the last demon, I think. I want to take a look at Tyrran and maybe Dirkzor for angels.

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January 16 2012 10:27 GMT

#1913

Also, if HoD was telling the truth, he's probably dead this night cycle. Another reason for why I want the corrupted townie to claim, as HoD can provide a last, reliable night-action that helps town by cleansing him.

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January 16 2012 10:29 GMT

#1916

Acolyte can't kill sage

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January 16 2012 10:29 GMT

#1918

Yeah, that was my reaction too.

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January 16 2012 10:32 GMT

#1922

[quote]Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed.[/quote

[quote]Your study of the powers of light has enabled you to sense and counter demonic power. Each night, you may target a player to illuminate. You will receive "Demon" or "Not Demon" as a result, and your target will also be cleansed of corruption. You are immune to corruption. You win with the town.][/quote]

I don't think he's town with dark powers.

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January 16 2012 10:33 GMT

#1925

Where'd you get the idea that they thought syllo was the seer? I'm pretty sure syllo was vanilla town tbh.