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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 14 2012 04:51 GMT
#1668
Who would you lynch then HoD?
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 14 2012 23:24 GMT
#1809
Hmm, sorry I didn't vote I was asleep Anyway, I'm going to reevaluate the thread later once I get back from Church
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 15 2012 07:13 GMT
#1820
Okay,

List Of Reads kgo!

1.Blazinghand (Leaning Town)

His post's contain one liners and holy 19 pages of it but it also it contains pressure on some people.

2.Dirkzor (Suspicious)

I'm suspicious particularly in this post

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:

Show nested quote +
P.S. RoL is a good shot for the Demon-hunter right now, as well as the Acolyte (If he's not on your team, that is).


So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.


Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage}

3.Grack (Leaning Town)

HoD said that grack was not angel, but what if he is a demon?. He has been sheeping but, how he post's make me lean town.


4.HoD (Leaning Town)

HoD claimed, and also how he has been posting.


5.Jackal58 (Leaning Scum/)

He has been posting 3 pages worth of one-liners but he has been pressuring many people.


6.layabout (Leaning town)

In student mafia, he was aggresive and here he is also so, I am leaning town on him.


7.Refallen (Null/Leaning Town)

He post's Lot's of one liner's but has contributed alot to the discussion so I'm leaning town on Refallen
8.Syllogism (Leaning Town)

He has done lots of scumhunting, and pressuring people so Leaning Town


9.Tyrran (Leaning Town/Scum)

He has been lurking Hard! He has been Contributing though so Town.


10.Spaackle (Leaning Scum)

On January 14 2012 01:01 Bluelightz wrote:

First,

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 11:07 Spaackle wrote:
So, the experienced player obviously know how to play town (duh, they're experienced). They know how to be as helpful to the town as possible. Taking from Ver's guide(?) to town play:Link here (clicky)

+ Show Spoiler +
There are three main goals for the town on day 1 in a standard game:
1) Get useful information (often achieved via point 2)
2) Create an ideal atmosphere (will go over this in detail in town guide)
3) Figure out your plans/direction


The obvious way to analyze the situation would be to take the current players in suspicion and see if they are trying to achieve the above goals.:

risk.nuke: Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- I hate to make a meta argument, but I feel like it's necessary here. When I played with risk in Election, he spent much of Day 1 jabbing at other players and trying to squeeze info out of them. I feel like he isn't doing this so much now. Many of his posts have been reactions to the poking of others, and he's offered little analysis of his own. His play in this regard doesn't look very towney to me.

2) Create an atmosphere -- This goal is linked with the previous one. The best atmosphere for town is one where they can get as much information as possible. I feel like risk is falling short here too. He hasn't been offering many points for discussion, and his reactionary posting has most other townies snapping at him.

3) Figure out plans -- This is a tough one. There really haven't been any plans put forth by anyone, just some bandwagons and a lot of finger pointing. risk has been doing just about as much of this as everyone else.

Risk's play is looking a bit scummy to me. He hasn't been offering much solid analysis, and he fans the flames of the arguments in the thread. We definitely need to pressure him some more tomorrow.

More coming soon!


Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points


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On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.


Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum


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On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:

##vote RebirthOfLegend



"People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!"

so basically sheeping


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 15:51 Spaackle wrote:
So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff.  He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions.  He also contradicts himself a few times.

Posts that really stand out to me:  

+ Show Spoiler +
What makes you think that angels will want to target the blues ? They are pretty much immune to blues, appart from the seer which will be desintegrated by the Angel of Death if he ever claim ( or i guess you could banish him, but then he would be pretty useless). So angel will just randomly shoot into townies, who knows, they migth even get a lucky shot on a demon, they migth also kill townies with dark power if they are not banished.

Secondly you suppose that Demons are going to want to use their banish defensively. If they want to do this, then Demons will just banish the Demon Hunter ( which will NEVER EVER be targeted by angels, because he basically works for them). If they have corrupted someone, they can also banish the sage, and just enjoy they extra vote ! They are not going to banish someone in order to 'protect' him.

Your plan gives HUGE information to both scum faction, and town actually gains very little from it. I dont like it. I think it favors Demons way too much ( because they can protect themself way more easely using their power knowing who the blues are), it also helps angels a bit ( they can kill the seer, they do not risk killing the demon hunter by mistake). But town is definitively the big loser in your plan.

And
Okay, i misread and missed the color only claim part. My bad, gotta go back some new googles.

Your plan is therefore much better than i initially thougth. I still have an issue with how you are going to deal with corruption. Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. On one hand you say that corrupted town should claim, but on the other hand you also advise multiple claim. What does town gain form multiple corruption claim ? While i agree that this migth confuse scum, If the angels are in doubt on how to get rid of corrupted townies, how are we going to know how to deal with it ?


These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other.  Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan.  However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore.  To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part.  He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next.  There's Also this bit:
Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too.

By we, does Tyrran mean town?  Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about? 

This post caught my eye too: 
Well I dont see how this could have gone better :D. One demon dead ( GJ DemonHunter or Angel Acolyte, whoever got him) and no unrevealed death. Perfect N1 for town. Here are some initial thought about what happened N1 :

On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.


Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you.

The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability:

AoD targeted Syllo. This is unlikely. It was clear in the thread that the banish was going to be used defensively, and Syllogism was one of the most obvious target. I' not sure why angels would target him other than them being bad.

AoD targeted HarbingerOfDoom. This is a possibility. I'm not sure why they would choose him over BH, Wiggles, layabout tho

Syllo is the AoD. This is unlikely, he has been very active for town during day 1. Yet, we cannot ignore this possibility. I dont want him lynched today, but if he is banished again N2, and once again the AoD do not kill, then we will have to consider him as a lynch. 

HoD is the AoD. This is a possibility too, but i'm not sure about it. I'll try to find some time to read his filter today.



Questions to discuss day 2 : 

What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD?

With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it?

this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum.  He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities.  His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened.  Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game. 

Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself?


Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious.

He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote:
@Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.

The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.

Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL.


On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.


On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote:
@BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me.



With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk?


Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason)

Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now.





11.Zephirrd

With his VT claim I believe him for now.



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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 15 2012 08:29 GMT
#1822
Okay I'll condense it in a sec.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 15 2012 08:38 GMT
#1823
Main scum suspect:

Spaackle:

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 11:07 Spaackle wrote:
So, the experienced player obviously know how to play town (duh, they're experienced). They know how to be as helpful to the town as possible. Taking from Ver's guide(?) to town play:Link here (clicky)

+ Show Spoiler +
There are three main goals for the town on day 1 in a standard game:
1) Get useful information (often achieved via point 2)
2) Create an ideal atmosphere (will go over this in detail in town guide)
3) Figure out your plans/direction


The obvious way to analyze the situation would be to take the current players in suspicion and see if they are trying to achieve the above goals.:

risk.nuke: Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- I hate to make a meta argument, but I feel like it's necessary here. When I played with risk in Election, he spent much of Day 1 jabbing at other players and trying to squeeze info out of them. I feel like he isn't doing this so much now. Many of his posts have been reactions to the poking of others, and he's offered little analysis of his own. His play in this regard doesn't look very towney to me.

2) Create an atmosphere -- This goal is linked with the previous one. The best atmosphere for town is one where they can get as much information as possible. I feel like risk is falling short here too. He hasn't been offering many points for discussion, and his reactionary posting has most other townies snapping at him.

3) Figure out plans -- This is a tough one. There really haven't been any plans put forth by anyone, just some bandwagons and a lot of finger pointing. risk has been doing just about as much of this as everyone else.

Risk's play is looking a bit scummy to me. He hasn't been offering much solid analysis, and he fans the flames of the arguments in the thread. We definitely need to pressure him some more tomorrow.

More coming soon!


Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points


Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.


Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum


Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:

##vote RebirthOfLegend



"People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!"

so basically sheeping


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 15:51 Spaackle wrote:
So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff.  He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions.  He also contradicts himself a few times.

Posts that really stand out to me:  

+ Show Spoiler +
What makes you think that angels will want to target the blues ? They are pretty much immune to blues, appart from the seer which will be desintegrated by the Angel of Death if he ever claim ( or i guess you could banish him, but then he would be pretty useless). So angel will just randomly shoot into townies, who knows, they migth even get a lucky shot on a demon, they migth also kill townies with dark power if they are not banished.

Secondly you suppose that Demons are going to want to use their banish defensively. If they want to do this, then Demons will just banish the Demon Hunter ( which will NEVER EVER be targeted by angels, because he basically works for them). If they have corrupted someone, they can also banish the sage, and just enjoy they extra vote ! They are not going to banish someone in order to 'protect' him.

Your plan gives HUGE information to both scum faction, and town actually gains very little from it. I dont like it. I think it favors Demons way too much ( because they can protect themself way more easely using their power knowing who the blues are), it also helps angels a bit ( they can kill the seer, they do not risk killing the demon hunter by mistake). But town is definitively the big loser in your plan.

And
Okay, i misread and missed the color only claim part. My bad, gotta go back some new googles.

Your plan is therefore much better than i initially thougth. I still have an issue with how you are going to deal with corruption. Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. On one hand you say that corrupted town should claim, but on the other hand you also advise multiple claim. What does town gain form multiple corruption claim ? While i agree that this migth confuse scum, If the angels are in doubt on how to get rid of corrupted townies, how are we going to know how to deal with it ?


These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other.  Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan.  However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore.  To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part.  He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next.  There's Also this bit:
Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too.

By we, does Tyrran mean town?  Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about? 

This post caught my eye too: 
Well I dont see how this could have gone better :D. One demon dead ( GJ DemonHunter or Angel Acolyte, whoever got him) and no unrevealed death. Perfect N1 for town. Here are some initial thought about what happened N1 :

On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.


Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you.

The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability:

AoD targeted Syllo. This is unlikely. It was clear in the thread that the banish was going to be used defensively, and Syllogism was one of the most obvious target. I' not sure why angels would target him other than them being bad.

AoD targeted HarbingerOfDoom. This is a possibility. I'm not sure why they would choose him over BH, Wiggles, layabout tho

Syllo is the AoD. This is unlikely, he has been very active for town during day 1. Yet, we cannot ignore this possibility. I dont want him lynched today, but if he is banished again N2, and once again the AoD do not kill, then we will have to consider him as a lynch. 

HoD is the AoD. This is a possibility too, but i'm not sure about it. I'll try to find some time to read his filter today.



Questions to discuss day 2 : 

What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD?

With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it?

this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum.  He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities.  His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened.  Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game. 

Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself?


Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious.

He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote:
@Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.

The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.

Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL.


On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.


On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote:
@BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me.



With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk?


Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason)

Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now.




He also has been lurking hardcore

Other Possible Scum:

Dirkzor:


I'm suspicious particularly in this post

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:

Show nested quote +
P.S. RoL is a good shot for the Demon-hunter right now, as well as the Acolyte (If he's not on your team, that is).


So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.


Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage}
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 15 2012 15:05 GMT
#1829
I'm gonna sleep now! see you guys when I get back from school!
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 16 2012 11:27 GMT
#1951
I'm back

@Blazinghand

I am sorry I'm playing like a shitty dick, not helping, and sucking hard.

So, now I want to say Who I think is the scum

First, who I think is scum

Dirkzor:


I'm suspicious particularly in this post

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:

Show nested quote +
P.S. RoL is a good shot for the Demon-hunter right now, as well as the Acolyte (If he's not on your team, that is).


So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.


Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage}




Dirkzor:


I'm suspicious particularly in this post

On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:

Show nested quote +
P.S. RoL is a good shot for the Demon-hunter right now, as well as the Acolyte (If he's not on your team, that is).


So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.


Why does he want to lynch HoD so much (at the time)? {HoD claimed Sage}

On January 07 2012 01:34 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay about palmar/Wiggles:

Wiggles filters contains a few "ARGH TEXT ALL OVER" posts but the only one with actual content is the case on Palmar. The rest are just generic play tips, setup talk and then a follow post to his case on Palmar.
About his case (clicky):
His case on Palmar is essentiel useless for me because it's all based on meta. He basicly ask me to trust him and vote on palmar because he gets a different feeling from palmar then he usually does.

When i read palmars defence the case just fall apart. Wiggles either lied on purpose or didn't read the thread/palmars filter. Considering Palmar had 1½ page of filter at the point of the case it would be hard to miss something that obvious. I mean it was in a post by itself and he pointed out the whole conversation with Bluelightz which that post was a part of.


In Palmars filter i fail to find anything that i would really find scummy. Again I can't take a meta-plastic-bag over his head so i just look at the actual content. He discusses and press bluelightz to give an answer that isn't evasive. I don't find anything that screams town to me either.

Out of the two i would rather see Wiggles hang as of now. One of the main points of Palmars case on Wiggles is that Wiggles is better then making such a case on Palmar (meta - i don't know), however the points about intentionally lying however are spot on and very discriminating for wiggles.


Hello defending Palmar, are you his ally?


Jackal:
He has not bothered to post post's with content and is well harcore lurking today ;|

Also, since he wanted Palmar lynched, I'm concluding he's not a demon but an angel.









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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 16 2012 11:35 GMT
#1956
Okay then disregard that.

If you have any questions please do ask.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 16 2012 11:40 GMT
#1959
Lol, with your reaction im seriously thinking your town Lol
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Indonesia2463 Posts
January 16 2012 12:12 GMT
#1968
@BH what do you think of mass roleclaiming?
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Indonesia2463 Posts
January 17 2012 10:35 GMT
#2085
Hey guys, back
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 17 2012 14:53 GMT
#2102
Blazinghand: Leaning Town
Dirkzor: Leaning Town
Grackaroni: Leaning Town / Scum
HarbingerOfDoom: Leaning Town
Jackal58: Leaning Town/Scum
layabout: Leaning Town
Refallen: Leaning Scum
Tyrran: Leaning
Zephirdd: Leaning Town
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Indonesia2463 Posts
January 17 2012 14:57 GMT
#2103
I clicked the wrong button anyway Tyrran is Leaning Town to me from his contributions, I'll explain on why That some people is scum to me.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 17 2012 15:28 GMT
#2105
Layabout's magic list of filters

On January 06 2012 03:42 layabout wrote:
filterlist of players:
Blazinghand
Bluelightz
Dirkzor
Grackaroni
HarbingerOfDoom
Jackal58
layabout
Refallen
Tyrran
Zephirdd



Now,

Since BH claimed the "Not dark" read on Grack, I think he is town but there is still the possibility of him being an angel. He has done nothing helping the town, sheeped hard. He also has been contributing to the discussion though so I'm mixed with Grack.

Next, Refallen

I think Refallen is scum because he seemed preeety sure about some ??? flips in some of his post's


On January 16 2012 19:33 Refallen wrote:
Where'd you get the idea that they thought syllo was the seer? I'm pretty sure syllo was vanilla town tbh.


But, his stance on Palmar day 1 make's me look as he is town tho

On Jackal,

I'm preety mixed up cuz he has been contributing alot lately but, before that he has been posting pointless stuff alot ;/

My vote is on Jackal for now because when I see his filter and compare it with when he is Town I see a difference in how much content he provides.

##Vote: Jackal58

Please excuse me, as I don't have computer access at the time before the lynch happens(about to sleep and have no access to computer)

So, with this last word's I say I am Town. If you Lynch Me, I will flip town.



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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 18 2012 09:51 GMT
#2336
YES HOLY DERP!!!!!!!!!!!!! MEH BAAAAAAAAAACK!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 18 2012 09:59 GMT
#2338
I am town, I just suck at it
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 18 2012 10:23 GMT
#2340
Just for the trololo

On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
-snip

If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO.

-snip-


On December 28 2011 15:41 ZBot wrote:
Blazinghand
Bluelightz
Dirkzor
Grackaroni
HarbingerOfDoom
layabout
Refallen
Tyrran
Zephirdd


But then!

On January 18 2012 09:48 ZBot wrote:Jackal58, the Angelic Observer was lynched Day 4!


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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 18 2012 10:36 GMT
#2341
I have to go now
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 18 2012 14:12 GMT
#2344
I'm back!
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 18 2012 14:45 GMT
#2345
If I am supposedly is a demon why would Palmar go fuck on me day 1?

He even thought of lynching me


On January 06 2012 00:14 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 00:06 syllogism wrote:
On January 06 2012 00:00 Palmar wrote:
After Bluelight's latest list of only town/null reads and his wishy-washy-ness with accusing people I might actually just off him. I was kinda leaning maybe noob-town on him, but I don't like his last few posts.


Do you think he would have made that long list of reads as scum? While his observations may be wrong, making the list requires reading the thread relatively carefully. It's possible, but I interpreted that as a slightly leaning town move from. I don't really like his "If I was in that situation then no. Because I lack sufficient information to make a correct move" post though as that sounds like a bit forced.


Reading the thread "carefully" has become much easier since the filter button. What strikes me as odd in it is that he managed to apparently read the filter of 17 people, and he didn't find one scum in them. he found 14 null tells, with 3 people in layabout and wiggles and of course blazinghand who seem to be his strongest townread.

If his list actually had any content in it I would consider it a pro-town move, but really, when you break it down, all he said is he has a slight town read on wiggles and layabout, and an even slighter townread on a few others. It has no conclusions at all.

Now, I know this doesn't apply because of BL's low experience, but do you normally think that someone hopping into the thread, calling his main accuser town, and saying almost everyone else is a null-read is something a townie would do?

I'm starting to think we should lynch BL.

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