Well it IS his birthday party. Tbh it seems like he's just lurking right now to me, so I rather pynch risk.nuke and give erandorr a day. Still, if no one switches to risk and we're nearing no lunch I'll do it.

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January 08 2012 00:28 GMT

#773

I'm willing to switch, but I'll much rather like to see risk.nuke dead here

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January 08 2012 00:33 GMT

#784

I'm going to swich in about 5 minutes if its clear no one is switching to risk

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January 08 2012 00:40 GMT

#801

Done

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January 08 2012 00:43 GMT

#811

Risk if you're some kind of role you should claim, just pointing ouy

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January 08 2012 00:47 GMT

#819

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January 08 2012 00:49 GMT

#823

Because he's obviously a prime target especially for the demon hunter? And for tomorrows lynch?

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January 08 2012 00:52 GMT

#826

Uh wtf zbot sent me confirmation as only unvoting and didn't register my vote... Am I being mod killed? v.v

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January 08 2012 12:49 GMT

#863

Still though, why did you try to get a switch to Errandorr instead of trying to get people to vote for risk instead? Was it because you thought that the two were gonna flip scum anyway so it makes no difference?

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January 08 2012 15:21 GMT

#881

I forgot about the acolyte when I was asking risk.nuke to claim, layabout, frankly I just remembered it when I read your post and as I said earlier for some reason (prob due to formatting, it's really my bad, that my vote on errandorr didn't get counted).

That was a really great breakdown of what happened, and it really gets people thinking. How did risk go from 9 votes, 1 vote from being hammered by BH, to having a mass vote switch (which I am guilty of too) to Errandorr? But then again, syllo has rightyfully pointed out that there is very little incentive for a scum to push for a vote switch as he did.

And I don't know what to think about RoL's plan to be honest. It sounds good to me but I probably haven't played enough mafia to comment on optimal strategies. If we're all doing it I'll do it too.

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January 08 2012 23:18 GMT

#943

On January 09 2012 08:03 layabout wrote:
Lets assume everybody follow your plan (which they will not)

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can you explain the logistics of this?

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the point is that scum can trade a player they don't think will survive long to for all blue to reveal themselves. The angelic observers power is to help figure out blues (+demons) and getting all four blues might not be acheivable in normal play so there is potential gain there for angels.For demons they could probably waste the concealer and then know for certain who the demon hunter and sage are. If either team does this the other team can reap the benefits without the cost.

How many blues do you expect to still be alive night 3 and how many scum?

Bolded part is probably the best criticism of the plan. Trading one member about to get lynched anyway to reveal all power roles is not good for town I think. And even if you add the caveat that if someone like risk.nuke who seems overly scummy anyway claims blue, we should still lynch him, the fact that there can be a no flip will still generate way too much confusion IMO.

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January 09 2012 02:37 GMT

#987

Corrupt only on even nights jackal

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January 09 2012 03:03 GMT

#991

I think it way more likely that palmar sent HoD to purgatory

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January 09 2012 03:39 GMT

#998

As HoD said, I find it much more likely that the town blue would send syllo to purgatory to protect him instead of HoD

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January 09 2012 03:43 GMT

#999

Jackal, what do you think of syllo switching to Errandor late in day 1? As he said, I find it hard how someone who first pushed risk.nuke would stay on him throughout the day only to vote switch late to errandor if they're scum buddies. Right now, I think it more likely that syllo just brainfarted, but I'll like to hear your take on the day 1 situation.

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January 09 2012 09:21 GMT

#1004

I think it is much more likely that the AoD simply targetted syllo and got the kill nullified.

Still though, I am extremely puzzled at why Palmar sent HoD to purgatory (I'm assuming here that channeler sent syllo to purgatory, a reasonable assumption to make, as I'm sure most of us saw, and still see, syllo as town, even after the vote switch debacle).

Most probably Palmar had some kind of read that HoD is some powerrole and thus tried to purgatorize him. I do not think that Palmar was purgatorizing HoD to protect a teammate; to begin with, HoD would never be a target for any night actions anyway. So I'm pretty sure HoD isn't a demon at the moment.

And with that, assuming AoD targetted syllo, we can also clear syllo from not being an angel. Also, seeing how he was the very first to call out Palmar after his kite comment, I don't think he's demon either.

So, syllo town, HoD not demon is what I would infer from the night actions.

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January 09 2012 09:43 GMT

#1007

On January 09 2012 18:33 Blazinghand wrote:

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yes you're right that was some serious analysis calling Palmar out for saying "i'm a kite" is pro town

Obviously not the only part, he's been on Palmar about the entire day