EPTis it 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be scum-buddies based on the information that you have access to?
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is it 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be scum-buddies based on the information that you have access to? | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: 100% impossible Well, first of all I am the sage so it was 100% impossible to begin with. But, RoL was either the channeler, or scum. If he was the channeler, obviously we can't be scum buddies, regardless of my alignment. If he was scum, then wiggles was the channeler and nobody has counterclaimed me, which therefore requires me being the sage. Or, you know, the sage to be absolutely fucking retarded. On January 17 2012 08:24 Refallen wrote: ^^ This. With the unknown flips we cannot be 100% certain who has flipped what, so the best we can do is to make reasonable assumptions. HoD's sage claim has to stand because obviously, no one has counterclaimed it. And wiggles was channeled by virtue of te fact that RoL fake-claimed channeler because there was no way RoL was town. No way. So RoL is an angel, either acolyte or observer, because he knew that channeler was dead and he could try fake-claiming that role. Jackal, you said you were confused by the flips. Does the above sound logical to you? If so, does your lynch target still stay as bluelightz? On January 17 2012 08:29 Refallen wrote: Meant to point to HoD's post not layabout's. And yes it is impossible because there was only one ??? Flip when the two of them claimed. Roll's claim was stealing wiggles role. Also explains why wiggles died, observer probably saw him banishing syllo, so he became a target. With the only ??? Flip confirmed at that time, now HoD is confirmed to be sage by virtue of there being no counter-claim. The only scenario that HoD could be lying was that syllo is the sage, and angels got really fucking lucky on killing him before day starts, because once there is a counterclaim HoD was gonna be lynched for sure. The actual question. On January 17 2012 08:18 layabout wrote: @ thread ANSWER is it 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be scum-buddies based on the information that you have access to? + Show Spoiler + underlined statements are based upon assumptions + he even outlines one of the possible scenario in which HoD could not be the sage, yet does not explain how he can be sure that RoL and HoD could not both be scum in that scenario and then says it is impossible for HoD and RoL to both be scum. Seeing as Refallen is making assumptions about unknown information there is no way that it could be 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be on the same team. Refallen is telling us that certain flips are 100% confrimed based upon assumptions No-one is publicly confirmed anything until they flip.* Refallen is lying to you to stop you from lynching HoD. *+ Show Spoiler + technically there are scenarios in which it is possible to work out what all of the remaining roles are and use you own alignment and DT checks to become 100% sure of a living players flip | ||
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On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 4 Lynch. With 10 alive, 6 votes are required to lynch. Current votes: layabout (1): HarbingerOfDoom (1): layabout Refallen (0): The Day 4 deadline is at 2012-01-18 10:00:00 KST. (That's approximately 11:20:10 from now.) | ||
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You openly admit to not putting in effort. Please do not sign up for games. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + unless your scum + Show Spoiler + @BH yes this is a spoiler inside of a spoiler and I hope you enjoyed clicking it | ||
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I think we can agree that we need to lynch someone. + Show Spoiler + I will not be voting for anyone other than HoD or Refallen unless you can present reasons that suggest that voting for another player has a better chance of killing (angel) scum. BL has basically thrown his vote on Jackal. BH claims CT of the total votes its likely that 2-6 of them are scum controlled (most likely = 2 demon 3 angel 1 ct or 2 demon 2 angel 1ct) As we need 6 votes total to lynch and it's unlikely that Angels or Demons will actually vote and kill one of their own, If we wish to lynch an angel we likely need demons help, and we need town united on the same candidate. If we wish to lynch a demon we will need the Angels help, and we need town united on the same candidate. We need that candidate + Show Spoiler + It's HoD + Show Spoiler + vote HoD | ||
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for instance, wiggles and syllogism could have been a demons killed by angels and RoL an angel whose kill was concealed. 0demons 2 angels ct gets own vote whilst it seems sensible to dismiss this possibility we should dismiss it actively rather than pretending it is not possible. We should consider whether or not different possibilities should have an impact on our decision-making. I think that, that example should not affect out decision-making but i also think that treating things like that as impossible and then treating much more likely possibilities that would have a real impact on what we should do, is something that we cannot afford to do. | ||
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??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? why would a scum team willingly give up information to town that could be to their detriment how about instead of first assuming that i am a demon, you try to look at how HoD has behaved and see how it makes sense if he is an angel. claiming sage was not only safe for an angel but it allowed him to then make an OMGUS against me. +did you really think that i looked like scum until HoD said that i was twisted? Consider that i believe HoD to be the AoD. Consider that my reasons have not been shown to be incorrect. (because they aren't) Consider that as town i need to lynch an angel and that killing the AoD is the best possible lynch for town. | ||
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he is trolling you with a complete list of reads! + Show Spoiler + inside of that list of reads he criticises another player for posting a complete list of reads | ||
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do you try to find all of the scum at once? or do you try to read people draw the best conclusions you feel you can and then evaluate the implications of those conclusions? | ||
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On January 18 2012 03:36 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Reads/Explanations: Blazinghand - 99% town, 1% demon. Claimed corrupted town. He is either town (very likely), or an exceptionally ballsy demon. Bluelightz - Wat. Just posted his list of reads, includes more town reads than the number of remaining townies, unless Syllo was somehow a demon and RoL was an angel. I want to believe he is town, but he makes it so hard to. Reading his filter makes my brain numb. I would not be particularly surprised with him flipping any alignment. Dirkzor - Seems scummy to me, I could see him flipping angel or demon. any scum Grackaroni - Leaning town. 100% not a demon. Some chance of being an angel, but I have now read his past games and the main difference I see is only a bit of a drop in activity. Also, if you were scum, Palmar was not on your team, and he was acting fairly scummy and being attacked by several vets, would you defend him day 1? I know I wouldn't. However, he still remains a potential angel, although I do not think it is the most likely. [b]town Jackal58 - Might be an angel...? I can't shake the feeling that he might be an angel, but I don't have any particularly good explanation for it. layabout - Probably demon. He was twisted, but is not the corrupted townie. Also wants me dead like none other. Possibility of him being town if the demons managed to guess who I was investigating. Refallen - Probably town. Besides being more aggressive, which is in itself generally a town trait, and his play has been fairly consistent with my last game with him where he was town. Tyrran - Still isn't playing anything like he did when he was town in steamship. A number of his statements don't seem like a bullshitting scum player...but his play is still very different. I could see him flipping any alignment. Zephirdd - Hopefully town. While his actions have been odd, they don't match up with his scum play from steamship. His reactions to being accused by syllo of being scum-buddies with me seemed extremely similar to my reaction to being tied to Risk. So, I am willing to take our chances on lynching Bluelightz, Dirkzor, Jackal, Tyrran, or Grackaroni, with a preference of not Grackaroni. so thats: Town Any a bit scummy leaning town maybe angel probably demon probably town Any hopefully town 1 scum read 2"maybe" scum 2 i havent a clue Bluelightz had: [B]On January 17 2012 23:53 Bluelightz wrote: Blazinghand: Leaning Town Dirkzor: Leaning Town Grackaroni: Leaning Town / Scum HarbingerOfDoom: Leaning Town Jackal58: Leaning Town/Scum layabout: Leaning Town Refallen: Leaning Scum Tyrran: Leaning Zephirdd: Leaning Town 1 maybe scum 2 maybe scum, maybe town. way to go stick your neck out and criticise BL from a position that you could legitimately do so from. | ||
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he is posting his read on players based on what he has read. "seems scummmy" is not a scum read, it's very non-committal "he is scummy" on the other hand would pretty much a scum read "he is scum" is a scumread "Probably" indicates that you think him being scum is the most likely alignment "seems" or "scummy" is not "seems and scummy" is not a scumread. | ||
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On January 18 2012 04:30 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So I say he seems scummy and I could see him being angel or demon, and I say I am fine lynching him, and you interpret it with your comment as "any scum", but it isn't a scum read? I see. Re Bluelightz: You have a list of conclusions. Some of your conclusions must be false. Do you 1) Rethink some of the conclusions 2) Accept them all and share them ...? the phrase "seems scummy" does not definitively indicate that you have a scum read on a player, whereby a scumread is defined as: "i think that player's most likely alignment is scum" From google point number 2 seems : "Used to make a statement or description of one's thoughts, feelings, or actions less assertive or forceful." If you want to call bluelightz stupid then go ahead. I shall not. Given that he has been making town and null reads for the entire game, if you truly believe that that makes him likely scum (which it does not) then why wait until now to make the point, and why not explain the point because it is a pointed that is questionable at it's absolute best. You also present his choice of options in a way that Bluelightz almost certainly did not consider or frame it, so it really cannot be used to evaluate his decisions. Plus he cannot come back to defend himself because he should be sleeping. | ||
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