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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:31 GMT
#750
Man even if all the townies voted together in the final election, we didn't have 5 townies. We had VE, GreyMist, myself, and Radfield, and two townies didn't vote: Zona and Jackal.

With 4 town players you can't get a majority of 5.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:32 GMT
#752
I guess one thing with resistance-style games is that elections come and go quickly since new ones can start when 5 nays come up, so you have to preemptively vote based on your reads or check back a lot, or else something like this can happen.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:35 GMT
#755
I'm actually comfortable with my level of activity. I wish I had argued better against Radfield. I think I was suspicious of why he picked me, then the delayed explanation, then the non-self-vote then he and jackal hammered it home... then the mission failed and I was like "man clearly Radfield has some long convoluted plan to make me the fall guy" and things only went downhill from there. Like, everything I did makes sense if you think that Radfield had no reasonable reason to chose me for his team D1.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:39 GMT
#757
I was always very aggressive with my votes. That being said, I actually think we would have STILL been fine, even with this crunch time, if jackal and Zona checked in before the game end deadline.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:42 GMT
#764
On January 05 2012 08:41 kingjames01 wrote:
Just wanted to provide an outsider's point of view:

In Resistance, one of the most effective ways to gain information is through the voting process. In fact, once the players become more experienced with the game, it is very common to go through multiple leaders each day.

I was going to post some guides before the game began, but no one seemed interested enough.

I was interested! I even posted links to other forum games of Resistance! D:
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:45 GMT
#770
On January 05 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 05 2012 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm actually comfortable with my level of activity. I wish I had argued better against Radfield. I think I was suspicious of why he picked me, then the delayed explanation, then the non-self-vote then he and jackal hammered it home... then the mission failed and I was like "man clearly Radfield has some long convoluted plan to make me the fall guy" and things only went downhill from there. Like, everything I did makes sense if you think that Radfield had no reasonable reason to chose me for his team D1.


But the thing is you were so tunneled in that when he provided a reason (verily, TWO MINUTES after you commented that he had none), you weren't hearing it. You had already made up your mind.

Take it from the tunnel-master...tunneling is bad to the nth.


This guy knows it!


Radfield's accusations of me were all terrible, and the fact that he tunneled me didn't help. I didn't think he had a good reason, and I honestly still don't. It didn't make sense to me that, as a town player, Rad would grab someone who had made a "scumslip" AND be following my pattern BUT not admit it. The fact that he went after me rather than Palmar later on only further convinced me.

Also, I don't know why everyone was obsessed with passing the first team that came by day 1, or that it's scummy not to do so. I saw a team that looked suspicious, so I nayed it.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:46 GMT
#774
On January 05 2012 08:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Well that's it for me. 0:40 am and I'm going to get some sleep now.
Good game guys, next time you should try to be a little more active. I can see how judging people (like zona or jackal) is hard when there's so little information. I don't think scum did well, not at all, but we were able to do whatever we wanted to do, given that nothing was happening.


I have 14 pages of filter in a 38 page game

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:47 GMT
#775
On January 05 2012 08:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 05 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
On January 05 2012 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 05 2012 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm actually comfortable with my level of activity. I wish I had argued better against Radfield. I think I was suspicious of why he picked me, then the delayed explanation, then the non-self-vote then he and jackal hammered it home... then the mission failed and I was like "man clearly Radfield has some long convoluted plan to make me the fall guy" and things only went downhill from there. Like, everything I did makes sense if you think that Radfield had no reasonable reason to chose me for his team D1.


But the thing is you were so tunneled in that when he provided a reason (verily, TWO MINUTES after you commented that he had none), you weren't hearing it. You had already made up your mind.

Take it from the tunnel-master...tunneling is bad to the nth.


This guy knows it!


Radfield's accusations of me were all terrible, and the fact that he tunneled me didn't help. I didn't think he had a good reason, and I honestly still don't. It didn't make sense to me that, as a town player, Rad would grab someone who had made a "scumslip" AND be following my pattern BUT not admit it. The fact that he went after me rather than Palmar later on only further convinced me.

Also, I don't know why everyone was obsessed with passing the first team that came by day 1, or that it's scummy not to do so. I saw a team that looked suspicious, so I nayed it.


You had no valid reason for calling it suspicious, and it included yourself.


Dude I totally did! The fact that I was wrong about radfield doesn't mean it wasn't a weird way he went about things. In fact, he was suspicious enough that Zona thought he was scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:53 GMT
#780
Oh, I want to be picked for a night team because the chance of scum for an N1 mission goes from like enormous to small. But something felt off about the way Radfield made his post. If you think the guy who's picking you is scum, IF YOU REALLY THINK THAT, are you still gonna vote yay?

Obviously if I am unsure I will vote nay. But I thought he was scum. There IS information D1, and that's how Radfield picked me. He read me as town. I read him as scum, and so I tried to "unpick" him by voting nay and passing leadership to the next leader.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:54 GMT
#782
Look if every townsperson just yay-votes their own team, then a scum player could easily pick two townies to go with him and get a free sabotage N1, right? That's terrible. People should use the time to talk, form reads, and have rounds of nay-votes. Like, ok here's the other thing-- everyone else just yay-voted the team without much discussion. that was also a problem.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 23:56:01
January 04 2012 23:55 GMT
#785
On January 05 2012 08:54 Jackal58 wrote:
This game is impossible to win as town.


Strong disagree. Town only needs to win one of the first 3 missions, and mission 4 is free for them.

Even near the end, if we had won N3, we'd also win N4 and have decent odds going into N5.

I don't think we lost by a huge amount, honestly, despite the 3-0 score.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 04 2012 23:57 GMT
#788
On January 05 2012 08:56 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:52 Palmar wrote:
Zona was wrong quite a bit this game, and no, until you can prove that something about his teammaking was weird, you don't have a valid reason to oppose it.


This is wrong too. Down-voting teams IS IN ITSELF a valid reason. You gain information about the other players and who THEY support.


I agree with KJ. Ideally, we'd all be super active and everyone would have to propose a team D1 and people would vote, etc, and lots of info would get recorded, then a team would pass and we'd have several pages of votes and evidence to look through.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 05 2012 00:00 GMT
#791
On January 05 2012 08:59 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:56 kingjames01 wrote:
On January 05 2012 08:52 Palmar wrote:
Zona was wrong quite a bit this game, and no, until you can prove that something about his teammaking was weird, you don't have a valid reason to oppose it.


This is wrong too. Down-voting teams IS IN ITSELF a valid reason. You gain information about the other players and who THEY support.


No, you always need a reason to downvote, because if you do it without reason, scum can do the same randomly if they're smart, and suddenly the voting patterns become useless. If you want to use voting patterns, they have to mean something. Randomly downvoting teams for the simple reason of downvoting them actually destroys evidence, instead of providing it.

See, this is a fair statement, but on day 1 we didn't have any voting patterns-- the first team passed. If I voted yay, it'd have passed unanimously, and then where would we be?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 00:03:42
January 05 2012 00:03 GMT
#792
On December 25 2011 18:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2011 15:21 kingjames01 wrote:
It really is such a fun game. I might even link a few good guides since there are so many new players to Resistance...

I wouldn't want the first game to be too low-level. It will still be fun but it may not be as intense.


Here are some completed game threads I found on mafiascum to get an idea of how this plays out:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=14194
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=14193
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=17111
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=14946

In case people are looking for reference/research.



Did anyone read through these sweet games?

Look what happens in say, the second link. Guy proposes the first team and instead of everyone blind yayvoting, there's discussion, and tons of people vote nay, and it establishes a body of evidence, and the game goes on.
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