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On December 28 2011 04:03 Misder wrote:
Surprised no one called me out on not being here.
Anyways,
##Vote: jaybrundage
I'm still going to vote him because I think my gut read is correct. I was going to wait til he posted something, but meh.
I think GiygaS is town.
I think Adam is scum (though might be me being paranoid).
I can see a hyshes scum.
Everyone else is null.
I must have missed this post the first time around.
Misder, if you think I am scum, it is your duty to this town to follow this up. Go through my filter and build a case.
At least we can agree on one thing, hyshes. I’ve been trying to push this lynch for over a day now and I’ve met nothing but resistance. I can only assume the worst here, because there’s no damn reason to keep him alive. He’s been evasive, apparently ‘afk’ and written a total of 18 lines this entire game. His two votes were supported by zero analysis or evidence, just dumped on the nearest wagon that was forming. I ask everyone again why has he survived this far?
In regards to EchelonTee’s filter -
Only one line in his analysis of sephirotharg stuck out for me: “that, coupled with your defeatist mentality means you’re either faulty townie with a lynch, or scum.”
found at the bottom of this post.
We are not here to hang faulty townies, only scum.
He only has a dozen or so posts, but at least they are lengthy. His reads don't seem to be lacking in effort.
His sudden re-emergence before the lynch deadline was suspicious. His ‘return’ post states “I don’t feel like making filler posts”, which is a nice idea, but its also a cop-out for not contributing anything. His only reason for being afk was a passing mention of family… well we only have his word on that.
His analysis on giygas is quite compelling. I share your sentiment Dirkzor that I wish it had come before the deadline so we might have changed our votes.
I’d really like to see more out of you EchelonTee, you’ve skated by as a lurker, but that needs to stop.
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On December 29 2011 00:27 Dirkzor wrote:
Problem with hyshes is that he is a null read. I would like to send him of to the devil or whatever he believes in, but where does it leaves us if he flips town?
I don't see him as a null read, though. Everyone's throwing around the term "easiest lynch target going around", yet here he sits, someone jumping to his aid and defending him =/
Regardless, we're looking for 3 scum anyway. Ill take a more in-depth look at Misder and Cyber_Cheese in the morning, its 2:30am and fresh eyes can only be a good thing.
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On December 29 2011 11:11 GiygaS wrote:
Also, why has Cyber_Cheese, a veteran, not been a target for the mafia? My problem right now guys is that we're at LyLo, after tonight we will have 7, if we lynch a town, that's GG right there. If we don't lynch, that's GG right there. We need to broaden our horizons. I urge people to think about the big picture.
That's WIFOM right there. Cheese might be alive because the mafia are afraid the medic has been on him, or he might be alive because the mafia want us to think hes mafia so we hang him, or cheese is mafia. The same arguements could be applied to Misder or myself. My point is its a waste of time to sit here and speculate why anyone is still alive.
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My final thoughts, in case I don’t survive the night:
The deadline is approaching quickly so forgive me if this is slightly rushed, id rather leave something rather then nothing.
I think giygas the first scum, I’ve said as much in my previous posts. I think the cases against him are building for a reason.
I think hyshes is the second scum.
I think the final scum is one of misder/cyber_cheese.
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On December 29 2011 11:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
What happened to lynching Giygas in that half hour or so?
If you were willing to let the vigilante hit Jay, why did you specifically change your vote to ensure he was lynched?
I was open to a giygas, hyshes or jay lynch in that last minute dash on day 2. I wasn’t gaining any support with the hyshes lynch, and without Misder or giygas’ support, we weren’t getting the majority to lynch giygas. This only left the option of jay, the one who I felt was the least scummy of the three, as I pointed out here.
I hadn’t run the math at this point and realised the ramifications if jay were town. Once it was obvious he was the only majority we were getting, it was the clear right choice to vote him to avoid a no-lynch and instead save the vigi shot for another day.
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Looking at all the cases against Giygas, you better have a damn good reason if you’re going to argue against his lynch today.
##Vote GiygaS
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Looks like this lynch isn't happening unless misder, hyshes or cheese return. =/
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On December 31 2011 12:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Happy Birthday. :p
Thanks, nothing like kicking my birthday off by mowing down a group of townies with a machine gun =D
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The game was all but decided by the end of the second day. With Shraft hell bent on killing GiygaS, all we had to do was make sure GiygaS wasn't our day 2 lynch, then the game would solve itself, and thus the crazy switch-around at the end of day 2 lol
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Was there an observers QT somewhere?
I spent so much of this game "lurking", I cant wait to get back to normal posting again 
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On December 31 2011 13:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Also one of Adam/Jay is probably scum because I wasn't a good first night target this game. I didn't really do anything so I don't see why else I died.
^^ - I explain this in my post game thoughts, which ill put up in a minute.
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Ill preface this with me saying I’m still fairly new to forum mafia, but these are my thoughts on Wiggles Mini Mafia:
Firstly to Dirkzor, Shraft and GiygaS. You were the only townies that I feel really put in 100% this game. We even discussed it at length in the IRC channel about how we felt bad for turning you on each other, but we just couldn’t help ourselves :D
The big criticism I have of the town as a whole this game is that no one ever forced me to take a stance on anything. Not a single person asked me a direct question or addressed me outright throughout the entire game, everyone was replying to questions I had presented to them, which was enough to qualify as contributing. You need to force me to take a stance on everything, so that when I have to back-pedal later on in the game to push my agenda, I have glaring contradictions in my filter.
This post especially from GiygaS made me laugh. Not because he almost confirmed me as townie outright, but because he hit the nail on the head with the first sentence. “Who the hell is this guy? Seriously, I have not noticed him”. I spent this entire game lurking in the background posting happy feel-good messages with a pro-town theme, but never actually found any scum for you guys to hang. I thought for sure someone would pick up after jaybrundage was lynched that something was very wrong with the ‘confirmed townies’. To some extent, Dirkzor did, except he went in the wrong direction and attacked Misder, which in all fairness, not a bad choice, his case on jay was pretty thin and he took a massive credibility hit after jay flipped town after 2 days of tunnelling him.
Something else I feel I need to point out is the belief this town held that mafia don’t put effort into their reads or posts. It’s just not true. We spent HOURS writing single posts and analysis on you guys. I think this post was far and away the best analysis in this game, and look who wrote it; a mafia who knew he was writing about someone town.
I have gained tremendous respect for EchelonTee after this game. For a first gamer to roll mafia and to put on the show that he did, was amazing. Even with the entire town breathing down his neck, and Shraft even ordering a vigilante to “blow his brains out during the coming night”, he managed to refocus the entire town back onto GiygaS with a single post. He’s going to make one hell of an analyst when he eventually rolls town lol
I take nothing away from my other scum buddy – Cyber_Cheese. His relentless checking of all of our posts in the mafia QT before they were posted in the thread was the reason the mafia stayed so hidden. This is why if you’re reading the QT now, it’ll make absolutely no sense. We communicated exclusively through IRC, posting our draft posts in the QT for final formatting and a thumbs up from the other two scum members. This system really works; I suggest you guys try it if you haven’t already.
To Misder, where did you go? This town really needed a cool head to settle things down after the sephirotharg mislynch and I thought for sure it was going to be you. Instead you rubbed it in the town’s face that you knew better, and then disappeared for 6 days. I’m understanding that real life can get in the way, but this town really needed you in the end.
To Grackaroni, our fateful first night victim. Sorry buddy, I made that call. I saw how suspicious you got of BH (a confirmed townie) in student mafia, and couldn’t risk your brain travelling along that same though process here. We also possibly expected you to be an unprotected blue. Hope you go better in Purgatory =)
To sephirotharg, hopefully you’re still around reading this. Don’t be discouraged by being the day 1 lynch, ok, some mistakes were made, but we intentionally blew them out of proportion to make you a more attractive lynch target.
My only regret this game is that the town did not push us to the point where we really felt we were in danger. I think Ech and myself decided on day 2 to see who could contribute the least and not get hanged; I think we can all agree - he won.
Still, I had a thoroughly enjoyable time in my first game as scum. Ive made 2 great friends out of EchelonTee and Cheese, I am going to intentionally snipe games you guys are in just to mess with you , and if we happen to roll scum together again, im sure we’ll cause havoc.
As always, a great big thankyou to our host Mr.Wiggles and co-host Lanaia.
Peace. Happy New Year.
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A couple of slips still managed to get through, like Echelon mentioning the godfather in his analysis of sephirotharg (when he himself was the GF)... Or cheese calling out 4 people for being on both the jay and seph lynches, addressing 3 of them with questions, and then the person he didn't question turns up dead 5 minutes later, almost as if he knew what the night kill was going to be >.>
I think our plan to flood the town with 3 separate cases on day 2 worked really well, no one knew who the hell to vote for. (Me pushing hyshes, Echelon pushing GiygaS and cheese decided to take the hard road and pile shit on Dirkzor lol).
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No blues at all, we caught onto that before the end of night 2. We figured if grack wasnt blue and giygas didn't claim when he had 4/5 votes on him, we ran the math and started realizing there couldn't be 3 blues. Then we started sifting through everyone's filter looking for people changing opinions towards each other right after the day post, there was nothing, except maybe shraft's utter reluctance to vote for hyshes even after hyshes dumped a vote on him.
The more we thought about no blues, the more it just made sense. We were all ready to claim all 3 blue roles on day 3, but no one was around to even listen.
The inactivity really killed this town on day 2 and it was SO hard for me to just sit back and not jump into the thread and post. I figured a super-active townie who wasn't delivering was far more suspicious then a semi-active townie who wasn't delivering and everyone else was only putting in 2-3 posts a day so to try and blend in, I should do the same.
Dirkzor, for your first game you did great. Don't be so trusting of 'confirmed townies', especially when they aren't delivering scum lynches. Also, this gets said to almost every new player but amp up the aggression, don't be afraid to get in someones face, because that's when they'll really slip. In a situation where the entire town is in agreement that someone is scum, its one of two possibilities, you've caught a blatant scum, and its obvious for everyone to see (much like jaybrundage in Student Mafia), or more likely you're about to kill a townie and the scum are egging you on because you're doing their job for them (GiygaS in this game).
Probably the only real "WTF" moment I got from you was your first post, you said something to the effect of "Id rather lynch someone probably townie then risk a no-lynch". I would find a better way to phrase that, because that looks horrible hahaha
Bugs, I wouldn't be too hard on the townsfolk of this game, it was a first time game for a large majority of the player group, and a 2nd game for a lot of the rest. This game ended up being a Newbie Mini Mafia without actually naming it a newbie game.
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All the modkill did was shorten the game from 3 Days / 3 Nights to 3 Days / 2 Nights.
With no medic that last night phase was entirely irrelevant anyway.
The town had 3 myslinches - sephirotharg, jaybrundage and GiygaS.
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