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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 15:40 GMT
#1141
On January 02 2012 16:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I called the hit first.

Wait, you both claimed the hit? Both of you claimed you targeted him AND used your hit? As in neither were refunded?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 02 2012 15:45 GMT
#1142
On January 03 2012 00:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 16:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I called the hit first.

Wait, you both claimed the hit? Both of you claimed you targeted him AND used your hit? As in neither were refunded?


Yep. Meapak, earlier you mentioned that I was lying if I said my hit wasn't refunded. Do you still believe that is the case?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 16:03 GMT
#1143
We are retarded then. I don't know why we lynched sheth if we have two people claiming they both killed the same person. Clarify both of you now.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 02 2012 16:08 GMT
#1144
I shot syllo as a liar vig. He argued that he though I was scum based on his earlier read. I argued that he never had an earlier read, nor had ever even mentioned my name, and that he was only setting himself up for a mislynch at lylo.

Meapak seemed to indicate that he thought I was scum if my hit wasn't refunded. However, all real vigs know that hits overlap if they target the same player. They aren't refunded. As you claim to have shot BC, you can confirm this as well, no?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 18:21 GMT
#1145
In my role PM it never specified. I just asked Ver and he confirmed hits are NOT refunded. That is unusual, in most games vigi hits are refunded. I presume this is because we have so many vigis so the rule is specific to this set up.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 02 2012 19:05 GMT
#1146
Ok fair enough. I did not receive a full role PM. As I was a replacement I got a "please join this game you are this an these are your triggers.". If RoL and kita are saying the same thing then my bad kita.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 02 2012 19:09 GMT
#1147
Also if anyone cares, chez tried to use his shot but he didn't satisfy the triggers so his shot didn't go through. Apparently he decided this meant he should claim rb :/

I am the acronym vigi. I can shoot people if they say common mafia slang over and over. I shot syllo for using the word scummy a whole bunch.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 19:44 GMT
#1148
...........It sounds like something Chezinu would do. Which sucks for us. This means we should ignore facts for analysis because they don't help at all.

That being said, who do you guys think the last scum is? I am doing an analysis now and cleared one person, I believe the other is leaning town.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#1149
Do you know who Chezinu tried to shoot?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#1150
crap didn't mean to hit enter, did you talk to Chezinu at all before taking his role over?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 02 2012 20:20 GMT
#1151
On January 03 2012 04:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
...........It sounds like something Chezinu would do. Which sucks for us. This means we should ignore facts for analysis because they don't help at all.

That being said, who do you guys think the last scum is? I am doing an analysis now and cleared one person, I believe the other is leaning town.


To be honest RoL, I'd rather hold off while it is night. The last thing we should do is give everyone our reads going into a 2v1 LYLO.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 20:37 GMT
#1152
On December 31 2011 04:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 31 2011 02:54 bumatlarge wrote:
I doubt kita is scum. He has had extremely similar play to myself if you disregard the chez era. Sure L, could have been a bus, but if we were both scum, we could have simply unvoted without fear and won the game? If only one of us, then Chez obviously take precedence.

I never hinted at chez being confirmed town at all. Just the oposite. I just feel bad for meapak. He didn't hammer a vote on to L, which seems rather straightforward if there are already 5 townies on L. Anyone not pushing meapak tomorrow needs to share with the class.


This is something that I disagree with. If you all took your votes off, there would have been a no-lynch on l. Then its 5-3 at night, you'll have two KP. However town now KNOWS who the 3 are. I didn't say this earlier, because I was hoping they would do this. So hopefully town has 1-2 shots of their own. So at the end of the night its probably 3-2 town ahead, which leads to a 3-1 town after the lynch and then 2-1, and town wins. Thats with only 1 kp vig shot.

Just pointing out I think your logic is wrong bum, and you pointing that out as logic for why your not mafia is scary to me. Your reads are also a bit weird, why do you say "everyone else" : who cares. I care about each and every one of you. :/


Why would I care who is town? The object of the game is to oust scum, not figure out who is town. If they aren't on my radar, then I really don't see a reason to worry about them.

Hopefully isn't a guaranteed town win. If town had no viable shots or mafia has more then 1 roleblocker, we would have got off scott free. And that doesn't explain how kita and I generated the L lynch. The L lynch would not have happened and you guys would have stuck around on the RoL wagon for the rest of the lynch. I don't think there was much reason to go through all this trouble and then have this conversation if we could have been having a post-game conversation.

This is stupid. It is much easier to get a town read on someone then it is to get a scum read. By knowing who is TOWN you can narrow town your possibilities of who is actually scum. Scum are trying to not look scummy, but generally only that. They don't tend to jump to the other spectrum because that would start harming their win condition.

So there is a huge purpose in recording and acknowledging your town reads, that way you can narrow down the gray area of mafia scumminess.

Anyway bum, its pretty much me and you, which of the other two do you find scummy? One of them has to be hiding behind the hit, but its a tough decision. What do you think?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 02 2012 20:38 GMT
#1153
On January 03 2012 05:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 04:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
...........It sounds like something Chezinu would do. Which sucks for us. This means we should ignore facts for analysis because they don't help at all.

That being said, who do you guys think the last scum is? I am doing an analysis now and cleared one person, I believe the other is leaning town.


To be honest RoL, I'd rather hold off while it is night. The last thing we should do is give everyone our reads going into a 2v1 LYLO.


Yeah, but someone will die. A last minute post should do nicely.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 02 2012 21:24 GMT
#1154
Chez pm'd me last night (irl) explaining how he got "RB'd" and he quoted a pm from Ver explaining why his hit didn't work. Apparently he tried to shoot prp night one.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
January 02 2012 21:25 GMT
#1155
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 02 2012 21:27 GMT
#1156
On January 03 2012 05:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 04:22 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 31 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 31 2011 02:54 bumatlarge wrote:
I doubt kita is scum. He has had extremely similar play to myself if you disregard the chez era. Sure L, could have been a bus, but if we were both scum, we could have simply unvoted without fear and won the game? If only one of us, then Chez obviously take precedence.

I never hinted at chez being confirmed town at all. Just the oposite. I just feel bad for meapak. He didn't hammer a vote on to L, which seems rather straightforward if there are already 5 townies on L. Anyone not pushing meapak tomorrow needs to share with the class.


This is something that I disagree with. If you all took your votes off, there would have been a no-lynch on l. Then its 5-3 at night, you'll have two KP. However town now KNOWS who the 3 are. I didn't say this earlier, because I was hoping they would do this. So hopefully town has 1-2 shots of their own. So at the end of the night its probably 3-2 town ahead, which leads to a 3-1 town after the lynch and then 2-1, and town wins. Thats with only 1 kp vig shot.

Just pointing out I think your logic is wrong bum, and you pointing that out as logic for why your not mafia is scary to me. Your reads are also a bit weird, why do you say "everyone else" : who cares. I care about each and every one of you. :/


Why would I care who is town? The object of the game is to oust scum, not figure out who is town. If they aren't on my radar, then I really don't see a reason to worry about them.

Hopefully isn't a guaranteed town win. If town had no viable shots or mafia has more then 1 roleblocker, we would have got off scott free. And that doesn't explain how kita and I generated the L lynch. The L lynch would not have happened and you guys would have stuck around on the RoL wagon for the rest of the lynch. I don't think there was much reason to go through all this trouble and then have this conversation if we could have been having a post-game conversation.

This is stupid. It is much easier to get a town read on someone then it is to get a scum read. By knowing who is TOWN you can narrow town your possibilities of who is actually scum. Scum are trying to not look scummy, but generally only that. They don't tend to jump to the other spectrum because that would start harming their win condition.

So there is a huge purpose in recording and acknowledging your town reads, that way you can narrow down the gray area of mafia scumminess.

Anyway bum, its pretty much me and you, which of the other two do you find scummy? One of them has to be hiding behind the hit, but its a tough decision. What do you think?


I'm not certain on anyone right now. Kita has been constantly active this entire game, and reading his posts more, he has quite a few hiccups in his reads. He goes all over the place, calling Sheth, Foolishness, prphlz, BC, then actual scum in L. I think I need to read more into the L lynch to see if mafia were really "Fuck it, vote L", like syllo did as the 5th person on the wagon. Kita made his read on L very clear an hour after I voted L.

On December 29 2011 06:52 kitaman27 wrote:
I'll write something up against L later today.


This is a few hours before anyone even mentions L as a lynch target, and it was after a whole response to Sheth's kita analysis. Kita as scum could have just put his vote on Sheth after calling him scummy, but he decides to push L instead. If the scum team was Kita/L/syllo, I don't understand why kita didn't take the easy way out with pushing sheth which I proabably would have gotten behind or jumping on RoL. It explains sheth being roleblocked, if they feared him shooting Kita, but that's all I can reason out. I believe kita did shoot syllo, though Kita didn't mention that he had a strong read on syllo before the shot. Kita has not been posting scared, and all his actions have a very townie perspective, even though he only started getting results late-game, and then he posted everything I was thinking. I'm gonna say Town.

Meapak/Chezinu has been a rough read, because a relevant part of the game was played by chezinu who I can't really decipher well, and I pride myself in being a good judge of random posters. Meapak's reads thus far in the game have been a claimed shot on syllo (there was no in-thread analysis, but there was only a night cycle for him to do this), and a sheth lynch, which all of us are guilty of. Other then that, I'm not mustering much townie points in his favor.

The abscence of his vote at a lylo scum lynch; a non-refunded shot dual claim on, in my opinion, a less prominent scum; and a random Roleblock claim that has zero reason behind it. Suspicious shifty shit shapes scummy standards.

I just need to review RoL again. I'm still hazy on the roleblock thing and what not. L went ballsdeep on RoL (sexy) the day he got lynched. I think we are basing RoL being confirmed based on his BC hit right? Hmmm. It does seem pretty straightforward if during the night you make me out to be superduper town and then shoot me because you aren't a roleblocker. If there was a scum medic, then that would explain both GM and Foolishness missing their hits. No, I am not content in throwing that in the trashcan.

Mostly I'm certain Kita is town. If he's not he deserves to win. Kita, I think it's gonna be down to you deciding who is scum between Cheazpak and RoL. I'd probably go with Cheeseypak, because RoL being scum does require him to be a scum-vig (or some awful townie vig) and having a scum medic.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 02 2012 21:28 GMT
#1157
I like how I say something like "I'm not certain on anyone" at the beginning of my post, and then rebuke it half-way through THAT SAME POST. META.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#1158
Well, I agree with you mostly on reasoning and I see cases on both the other two, but more importantly I am pretty damn sure you are town. Foolishness had a town read on you and he was on fire this game, and I do too, and I really doubt both of us would be wrong about it. The other two I need to read the subtleties on and work it out tomorrow.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 03 2012 01:15 GMT
#1159
Heading out for the night, probably won't be around to post until tomorrow morning/early afternoon, assuming I survive the night. There is one person I'm pretty sure is town, but I don't really have a definitive idea who I'll be pushing tomorrow until I have a good chance to read through everyone's filters again. If you forsee yourself being absent during an extended period of the next 48 hours, please indicate ahead of time. I also would like a chance to be able to ask a couple people some questions in real-time where they don't have much time to prepare a response if that is possible. Is there a time that would work for everyone?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 03 2012 01:39 GMT
#1160
I have work 12-6 EST tomorrow. After that if you want.
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