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bumatlarge
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On December 21 2011 05:44 Jackal58 wrote: I'm not alone in seeing that? It's his day 1 post in Eldritch Horror. Only with different names. I'd love a comparison. Link? | ||
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bumatlarge
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On December 21 2011 06:47 SamuelLJackson wrote: I support wbg's case on LSB. Fucking best post of this thread and maybe the only one worth reading. ##Vote LSB @Bum The whole talk about mechanics and triggers and w/e the fuck is giving me a headache. And like you said scum knows all roles so don't you agree that's the easiest topic ever for them to discuss without having to commit? I'm ok with it as an opening but now it's time to move on. If you have a role or not that doesn't mean shit. Nobody cares. If you are town use it wisely. @Chezinu I want to make you a deal. You split your posts in 1/2 content, 1/2 mental issues and I'll try to convince my other half to stop tunneling you for now. As much as I love your posts, curu has a point that you are currently being a hindrance, and if you are town you are setting up to be lynch bait later. Just mix up some clear content that everyone can discern and we can all be happy. If scum want to slip us little tidbits to appear to be helping thats fine by me. That is hardly sound logic to not discuss something just because scum can pretend they are doing something. They do that anyway. It's irrelevant. Read L's second post. And I care I have a role  Also I don't think WBG has ever played a game with Chezinu, it probably would influence LSB's analysis if he takes LSB's perspective. That said, all the other points feel spot on. I would like to see LSB's response. | ||
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bumatlarge
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On December 21 2011 04:56 L wrote: RE: LSB You realize you *kinda* already did with your previous post, right? That section in particular makes a statement about triggers, and in particular says that town has triggers in an affirmative manner. You state this directly. The odd thing is that your post is structured to make it look like speculation, but you made an affirmative statement. This wasn't "Its possible that town has triggers too" it was "town has triggers too". The reason why I said *kinda* is that Chez said (and I haven't gone to the OP post yet to confirm) that mafia know some of the town roles. If that's the case, they might also know about some town conditional roles and be able to claim that they exist with certainty. So you're either mafia or you have a triggered role. And onto different matters: RE: Hindered comment from BumatLarge Yep. That's a good way of putting it. I haven't played in a shitton of time and I have no idea who most of the players are or if they'd benefit from extensive day 1 analysis. I also don't know if any of these triggers would be set off by some kind of explaining, or how the day 1 meta works anymore. Given all those things I figured it would be smarter to start off slow. So, if you push my accelerant idea, it would mean that at least some of the triggers activate powers that kill people. That doesn't, however, mean that there isn't the possibility for other triggered abilities. That should be pretty obvious. This was also an implicit roleclaim on my part which should only have been obvious to people with triggers themselves. But then you asked me to push more on the point, and stated that you were sad that I hadn't. This leads me to believe that you also have a triggered role and all of the above was obvious to you, but that my explanation might activate your trigger, or that you wanted a claim out of me. And that's berry interesting because asides from chez claiming traitor, it seems like all the people who have put information about their role into the game implicitly or explicitly thusfar have triggers to their role. This means we're going to hit a situation wherein we're going to have fucking ugly dt and medic claims with triggers and shit to sort through. FUCK. If what I've been discussing won't massively impact the game, then I am poop. I am paving the way for the genesis of claims. Fakeclaims will have to be very well thought out, and I want to make sure every townie is on the same page when they do a-rollin-in. | ||
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bumatlarge
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On December 21 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote: Actually, upon re-reading... are you claiming mason with Chez bum? I wouldn't say mason, but I'm a Chez-Whisperer if you will. LSB has been spouting non-sense. I would revoke any vet protection day 1 he might garner just on what I've seen. In a game where we have too many candidates to lynch I would be against lynching a vet, but every player in the roster can play very well. I think we have to judge on present performance to get our best day 1 result. Foolishness is no plum pudding either. L has been mad poignant this game, I want to keep him around as long as possible from what I can tell. Oh shit, there is BC as well, and he's mad poignant too. Chez, I think LSB>Foolishness>Palmar on the Scumdar-dar. What you think? | ||
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On December 21 2011 13:20 LSB wrote: I would say that Foolishness, and maybe BC should be exempt from the day 1 lynch. Foolishness typically gets bullets thrown at him if he is town anyways. Completely disagree. No one has to hold a vet's hand to get through the first day without getting lynched. This is bull. This town will not just HUR-DUR-WAGON unto a good player without very good reasons. | ||
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bumatlarge
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##Vote: Palmar | ||
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bumatlarge
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I would not put GM over LSB or palmar in terms of scuminess. I said before I disagree with the vet-bye, and in no way is GM scummier then eiher of the two. Aggressive Palmar is a Happy Bum, so I don't feel much need to vote him for little reason until later. I'd prefer his opinion in this form, even if I have my doubts about his alignment. LSB is much worse. He is a top notch lynch in mine eyes. Seeing LSB's colors will also help me personally. Even the responsible can get selfish. | ||
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bumatlarge
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On December 22 2011 09:51 Foolishness wrote: ##Vote: LSB I will be back before day ends to change if necessary. I'm still against but as always I'd rather lynch than no lynch. + Show Spoiler + Estimated number of people who will quote this post and call me mafia cause of it: 4 Estimated people: Palmar, Jackal, Curu/sandroba, kitaman 100% confirmed town here! ##Unvote ##Vote: LSB | ||
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On December 22 2011 10:35 Jackal58 wrote: Are they both scum Kita? or just LSB? Others have been willing to vote elsewhere but I'm imploring them to consolidate on LSB. If somebody needs to take responsibility for this lynch I will do so. I am going to push everybody to LSB. Even you Kita. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. If you guys feel a need to exact retribution from me if I'm wrong so be it. But I'm taking responsibility. Vote LSB. Don't split the lynch. I did everything I could to make sure that happened in 48. You're not emulating me are you Kita? Vote LSB. Taking Responsibility. Atta'boy! | ||
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bumatlarge
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On December 22 2011 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Bum what are your thoughts on Palmar/L? Do you find it at all odd that L has disappeared with his vote remaining on Palmar? I am neutral. I don't think Palmar can be as flamboyant as when he is town as scum. I find it's not worth the attention you are forcing on yourself. I've agreed with nearly everything L has said, but I have my suspicions. I will keep you informed if those increase or decrease. I don't look too much into day 1 votes. Voting patterns are much more vivid for scum, making them easier to correct, and town has no business messing around with who voted who from one day. | ||
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bumatlarge
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We take our (at worse) 50/50 for a day 1 lynch and play the game from there. There isn't much to dispute. | ||
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Speaking of which, wouldn't it be neat if the mafia was given half the role-list, and they gave the other half to the traitor? That would be kinda neat. | ||
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On December 22 2011 13:37 Foolishness wrote: I don't know. What I do know is that LSB is being responsible, and GMarshal is not. That is true... Chezinu? | ||
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On December 22 2011 13:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm also entertaining the idea that GM is scum, and scum were given Justice Vigilante as one of their safe-claims. Then, he sticks that picture in his post so he can claim later if he gets put under pressure, or fakes a shot. He actually placed that picture in his post, after he was pressured as well. I think it's so that if the wagon on him actually picked up speed, he could claim. When LSB claimed his role, GM counter-claimed, in order to cause a mislynch. If LSB flips town, Scum GM still knows that Justice Vig is a role, and can claim that Ver put in similar roles with different names to punish claimers. He can then claim RB or that his target was protted in the morning when he fails to deliver a shot, or if scum is really ballsy, they can shoot one of their own or something. The only thing that doesn't make sense about this, is that this would be close to trading 1 for 1 with town, because in the folow-up, GM is likely to die if he's scum. However, it seems likely GM would be put under lots of pressure, and potentially be killed if he was unable to deliver day 2. Especially after pleading for more time, and then it makes more sense to try to kill a vig by lynch on Day 1, if we was on course to a vig shot himself, anyways. This is assuming GM is scum, though. I actually think there's a 50-50 chance between them about who's telling the truth (assuming they're not scum). GM's picture breadcrumb means nothing to me, because he hasn't done anything to prove his role. It's like what Ace always talks about, with breadcrumbs being useless before you flip. WBG did something similar in Mini Mafia X, going jk jk jk, and then claiming Jailkeeper. Town just ate that one up, too. This is pretty sweet theory-craft. If only one of GM and LSB are scum, it's reasonable to assume it's true. This really hurts mafias fakeclaim potential. Claiming duplicates is much worse, and they have to wait for another townie to say what it is exactly. LSB sure does go down with some manner. Don't risk it though, we have a good day 1 lynch here, no need to brew uncertainty. | ||
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On December 23 2011 09:20 syllogism wrote: Bum you never really explained why you found LSB scummy. The closest thing for explaining your vote was when you said you liked GM's claim more than LSB's and a bit earlier said "LSB has been spouting nonsense", which are both quite poor justifications for voting someone. As far as I can tell you didn't even state that you agreed with someone else's analysis on him. Actually don't think you explained why you found Palmar or foolishness scummy either. This contextual stuff is getting old bro. I liked what WBG had pointed out about LSB. I would have still kept my vote on LSB if neither he nor GM mentioned anythng about their roles. I wanted him lynched before that, the Vig thing was just a bonus. This is day 1 second guessing, my reads can't be that great initially. I did say I agreed with WBG. Palmar had posted nothing and continues to say my posting sucks. Go figure why I thin he's scummy. Unlike Palmar, foolishness has done genuinely nothing. I took some info from the palmar/L dispute and wrote things in my diary. Foolishness has a nice blank page, which is always bad. Are you guys just gonna hide behind questions this whole game? This stuff would be the easiest garbage to hide behind, being the asker and the answerer. I will answer anything, but don't make it your "thing", I don't think it's as useful as you think it is. Chezinu, Phase Two has commenced. LSB was more of a best case scenario, so we will continue as planned. I have some individuals that I wrote in blood and others I wrote little hearts next to. I will reserve it to initiate Phase Three, but I don't feel fully prepared. Also, you mentioned GGQ and voted samuel. I would like to see a continued effort on both these fronts if you found either to be fruitful. Over and out. | ||
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bumatlarge
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If I had to guess, GM is town and mod's are cool. But I'm as sure of that as I was of LSB being scum. Activity levels are unsurprising, but it wouldn't hurt to have one of the many less talkative people start yapping. | ||
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bumatlarge
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##Vote Mr. Wiggles | ||
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bumatlarge
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Mostly cause Wiggles immediately jumped on it. A lot of people are legitimately busy, and the analysisis appreciated, but BC being inactive because it's his diabolic scum plot doesn't sit right with me. His initial posts and the night-hits make sense if he was scum though, so I'll be open to switch f we need to get a lynch through. Otherwise I'll be focusing on Wiggles. | ||
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