Election Mafia

On December 13 2011 06:19 Jitsu wrote:


Something doesn't sit right with me here. Come post, like, 5 minutes after Sheth calls him out for being a lurker, than covers and says he's going out.

And I didn't even understand the meat of his post.

On December 13 2011 11:05 prplhz wrote:

Hey you seem to be following the thread but not participating too much.

How do you feel about zeks? What do you think about GreYMisT's case on Jitsu?

On December 12 2011 14:44 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Well first thing's first:

Palmar is scum.

Palmar and I have a long history of never rolling the same alignment. Since I am Town this game Palmar must indeed be scum.

Also I am running for Mayor.

On December 14 2011 15:32 Refallen wrote:
Also, I find it weird how both evantrees and the dues ex hydra used the term kidnap to describe palmers situation when it's not actually clear what took place.

On December 15 2011 03:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Good morning all. Just re-read through all of the recent posts.

Evantrees you've said some pretty retarted things. Why would you say that you want to "Lynch for fun?" and you just joined the bandwagon on Nisani at the time. Why is it a lynch for fun? Why did you start the ball rolling on doing a RNG for Pardoner?

Then when defending yourself you actually said something along the lines of I don't know what to do to help. That was your whole defence. None of your posts were longer then 2 sentences even. So, please answer this post in more then 2 sentences, heck more then 2 paragraphs would be nice.

@Prplhz Last night you caught zeks on something on page 43, he answered on page 43 and then again on 44. Do you think he answered your question well? If not, do you think its still a relavent point?

On December 15 2011 12:42 nyczbrandon wrote:
Does 2 shot-medic mean that player targeted can survive being shot twice, or does it mean he can protect 2 targets

On December 15 2011 12:27 GiygaS wrote:
I guess this is really the only thing to decide, me or Arc as secretary/surgeon? To figure this out we should try and get an idea of what the fuck secretary will do... I'm guessing it's like Surgeon general but can assign a vig instead. Just my thoughts.

On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote:


The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now.

Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum.

What do you guys think?

On December 15 2011 14:02 bumatlarge wrote:


Hmm ok, but I think we should be a bit aggressive with the second voting spot. It's a public rolecop check, so let's use it as such. It seems better to have someone we can deduce as mafia and not be able to lyncht the next day, rather then out a townie to prevent something that would never happen anyway. One of the two as surgeon general sounds superduper.

Election winners/runner ups will be pardoned during the corresponding day lynch.

On December 15 2011 15:17 ProfessorBadass wrote:


That's not how I interpreted it to work, it's a role with powers but you don't learn what it does until you get elected.

Kita can you clarify?

@Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player?

When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something.

and the fact that the 'Election Block' ability of whatever we assume is the mafia equiv. to District Attorney had to have happened within two hours of the day ending.

On December 16 2011 10:38 Jitsu wrote:
@evantrees. Sure. It doesn't matter; I think you can spin it either way.

He uses his ability with a little under 2 Hours left to use it, than posts how he "thought he had two hours remaining to put votes in and has to make a hasty decision.

Regardless, I think it's funny how you came to his defense rather forcefully, no? Also, you seem pretty accurate with the timing on the ability. How did you know it was used roughly around 2 hours and 15 minutes, to the minute? Maybe a scum player said "Use that ability, there is only 15 minutes left" and it stuck in your mind?

On December 16 2011 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Evantrees

I had to read through his posts twice before I found anything worth even mentioning. Also, I'm having a hard time discerning what he's voting people for - as his reasoning is almost universally nil…so I had to go back and look at the posts in context to find out what he's talking about a lot of the time. Also, there's a distinct lack of trying to find scum, so don't even try to look for it.

So you really felt the need to go over it ok.

Here though he claims he'll look at zeks and GreYMisT. Doesn't.

Doesn't come up with anything to mention.

Does, however, claim to vote for my slot. For funsies.
see below.

RNG's his election vote…that's not only bad for town, but simultaneously makes him absolutely free of accountability for his choice!

Should I have just joined the bandwagon for someone I'm still not fully sure of for no reason?

WUT? Honestly, I'm not sure what this post is supposed to be saying. At the time, there was a vote-switch in the works. My slot was being voted by a lot of people and Rad (I think) came in and said that someone else should be lynched instead. Not sure why, but my guess is the whole 'don't lynch lurkers'…also my slot didn't vote, so maybe he was hoping for a better replacement. AT any rate, I don't know what evan is commenting on in this post, but resolves to look at Spaackles.

response to this from the looks of it and again didn't see anything.


This post…this post is something. He defends his RNG for Pardoner by saying 'I didn't start that'…I think. Also, defends his choice of Nisani as a lynch by saying 'Palmogism told me to'…which isn't the worst reason in the world (for fun, arguably, is). And defends his decision to not defend himself because "we had a bigger problem".

'I rnged out of the 3 other hydras only why I didn't say that I don't know. As a place to start and has been stated didn't start the rng discussion.'
Is what I said. Apparently Zeks started the rng discussion which gave me the idea to use it to decide which of the three Hydras to place a vote for. Well him and someone bugging Arctocod asking why he hasn't suggested a day 1 RNGed lynch yet.

I Voted to lynch Nisani as a place to start, since yes that's who Arctocod was voting for when he was withdrawn.

PAUSE

I'm assuming the "bigger problem" was Arctocod being removed from the electoral race. Why would that be a problem for him?
Finding a good lynch target seemed like a bigger problem than trying to defend myself, sadly didn't end help at all with that.

1) he wasn't voting for Arctocod,
voted for arctocod here.
why is that point even in here, most of the rest of this come as reasonable complaints.

2) he didn't care who won (lolRNGlol), and
didn't want to vote forProfBA at the time had no better option to offer.
3) he wasn't talking about it at all. So why would that be a valid excuse to not defend the accusations against him?
too busy trying to read filters and finding squat.

RESUME

He then goes on to say 'for goodness sakes, don't waste a check on me' qualifying it with 'at least use it on someone who might cause town a problem if they were scum'.

Really? REALLY?

1) No one was even talking about checks that I can see,
there's these two why I responding to people saying don't bother checking me I don't know.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&currentpage=54#1071
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&currentpage=54#1073
2) You're not contributing, so how are we supposed to gauge your alignment?
trying to, and seem to keep getting asked questions.
3) 'for goodness sakes'…like it would be some kind of huge mistake.
Huge mistake perhaps not a waste yes.
4) any scum are a problem, you included. If you're scum, we need to know because you're going to cause a problem. Saying DTs should check someone else because you're a 'weak player' is…weak bro.
any scum are a problem, true particularly when there are still five of them, sadly for you I'm not one of them.
and it was partly me realizing yes I looked like a damned easy lynch.

Verdict: leaning Scum

@evantrees
How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler +

On December 18 2011 18:39 Arctocod wrote:
Also we know 4 of the mafia roles now (gf+rb+anonymous messager+"district attorney"), not quite sure if Zentor's power being fifth would make sense. I'm leaning against it

On December 19 2011 15:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Looks like I missed...
(I only looked at Lynch thread, thinking everyone would vote in both, I was way off)

Comprissent
Zeks
Cascades

So those 3 and
risk.nuke
marserblood

On December 19 2011 23:55 Radfield wrote:
evantrees, all i need is a yes or no answer.

On December 20 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period.

On December 21 2011 04:06 MrZentor wrote:


There is no chance they have more than one mafia with the announcer role?

On December 22 2011 05:26 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just worried about the possibility of Deus or Radfield being scum. I don't think you are, but someone has to keep watching you. It'd be stupid if we just kept never questioning you. And now whenever someone questions you you just assume their scum. Don't do that, I think were fine, but even with it I don't want to start making mistakes at this point. As we get closer to the end, everyone has to be taken in to consideration, or don't you agree with this ? @radifled / Deus

On December 30 2011 22:47 Jitsu wrote:


I would like to echo this as well. Any comments would be appeciated.